CCBills biggest customer only gets 20% of sales from affilates.

I would say that there are SEOs making the equivalent of 500 joins a day in income. eg. the 5 billion page google spammer - he might have been doing a million clicks a day for all we know. Mainstream PPC programs have really opened up the revenue opportunities for SEOs because now there's a way to monetize traffic for just about any keyphrase you can think of.

Great post David. I think of it in terms of increasing speed of a vehicle into air resistance. It's not as simple as 2x the HP = 2x the speed. Many other considerations to get those kind of target results.

It would seem that the only realistic way to accomplish that amount of daily members without affiliates is create a product that is revolutionary, NOT a fad and talked about continually over an extended period of time on mainstream venues. And it would require this product to be EASY to find. Sounds difficult to sustain that amount of joins over a large period of time without first owning the traffic for the product type.

only if you have 500 credits cards

Yea maybe if ure PORNWOLF!!!!!!

Basically multiple front ends... covering serveral niches.. any and all options not excluded for "traffic getting" ie buy the heads.

If some network sites don't get 500 signs with 50 "cash registers" running - there is something wrong.

10 bucks a day is chump change dude... crackheads on the street make a lot more then that.

Certainly possible if you have a big enough budget, what David said about ROI is certainly correct, the bigger you get the less profit there will be to take out.

Programs can not do it all, affilates can reach out and get more traffic to your program than you can by yourself. If your buying traffic that takes time, staff and big expenses. So weather your paying affilates $25 for a join or if your paying Google $20 for a join and spending $5 in staff to get that join it could work out pretty similar in the long run.

Of course i'm talking big numbers here I know buying smaller targeted traffic PPC etc can be alot more profitable without the expense, but if your talking big traffic/sales then staff, servers, offices and buying the traffic all costs ALOT.

Aww shucks. I'm just a simple man. :winkwink:

That's an interesting stat. I'd love to know who that is.

15297~0595 Hit me now, I'm sitting here naked and waiting to cyber.

So the law of diminishing returns is news?

I feel the same way Webby. I always have.

I think this was the biggest thing juicing the AVS linklists taught me years ago. There was a finite amount of traffic in the systems. Age Check, Cyber Age, Pro Adult, Sex key and others had a ton of it but in order to get every hit you would have to build a certain amount of sites in different niches upselling different sites inside. If you stuck with one or two niches you would easily hit that threshold where the resistance started to fight against you. At that point you would just be burning bandwidth and also watching your upsell conversions drop because those surfers had seen it all over and over again.

The same thing applies to the SE's, TGPs, Link Lists and even mail. Once you scale up, you have to spread the attention.

I wonder why more people don't subscribe to this idea?

'cause some people want to make money but not work for it!

Agree and think you hit it 100% Pornwolf. A mix of .. basically cash registers covering a series of niches and "feeders" directing context-relevant niche traffic to them.

There are other slight benefits to this in that you have your own promo content/creatives and this is not saturated over the marketplace.

Sure is more work Shocking, but it's nice to be able to control/monitor/promote your own efforts and, only me, but seems more stable conversions than throwing traffic at sponsors. (Tho not knocking sponsors - there is still a place for that in the grand plan :winkwink: )

Makes sense

Just last sunday I sent 498 joins to Adult Friend Finder and I'm only 1 person. So yes I think you could do it without affiliates if you have a good network of sites.

Nice! That's some good money right there. Percentage or per click?

its all percentage

Cha ching! Loan me a hundred bucks! I know you have it!

Just kidding. It's always smart to go percentage with AFF. I can only imagine the rebills you are seeing. :thumbsup :thumbsup

Ask me this is 6 months time and I will not be buying a single advert. Well I might after a while. :winkwink:

I'm very serious about this and putting something into Beta testing in a few weeks, will carry it through for a few months and see what happens.

Not sure about the 500 a day though. 500 a month would be a nice addition though and the profit margin higher than $10.

I'm pretty sure I know a site that does $2,000,000 a year turn over without paying for a single advert, does not have a single affiliate, in fact they turned me down and does not have very much exclusive content but does have a lot of mine.

Also I think they have an average Alexa rating.

How do they do it?

Go figure it out.

Ya got me on that one. Since you mentioned it, do you know how they do it?

There are quite of few people who do not spend a lot of money on advert and no affiliates pull that kind of joins in the past. I can think one already :)

Yes I do.

But I'm not telling and I'm going down the same route, well trying to. I'm just not sure if I can get it to the same scale.

I was talking to the guy who runs the site and the financial director in Amsterdam airport last year. We were waiting for planes after being at the mobile phone/Internet show.

You forgot to mention they don't charge for membership either, unless you are talking someone else, btw, I know how they do it, I also know how to get 500 plus joins a day with no affiliates, you must have a healthy start up budget though!

Yeah like you know :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


Paul Markham RULES! :pimp

Your added

They charge just under $28.00 a month.

They are not short of money.

Keep guessing.

agreed ....

affiliates can help and hurt a biz. it really depends on the product.

This is reminding me of the games girls play in 3rd grade. Spit it out or say nothing at all. I don't like blue balls.

Cooool. Hitting you now, but, I'm no longer naked. I hope that's ok with you. :winkwink:

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