i can track with other systems too, i really dont understand what the fuss is all about with NATS... but yea its fairly quick to use.

That is a very wise thing to do regardless of any affiliate software used.

It is like asking why do you like Quickbooks for handling your money... Because you set it up, you then do your work... It does its job, you do your job. You don't have to do its job. It helps you with yours though and doesn't bitch about the extra work.

That is why I started this thread, to find out what's the fuss is all about and why affiliates might prefer NATS and it seems as if there are actually some reasons for it.

Good point, thx for you post

noone said so, or did I miss something ?

That's a valid reason of course, although it has nothing to do with one system being better than the other. It would have been wise to not implement that feature at all.

Sexy is always good :thumbsup :thumbsup

But from the thread titles on GFY recently you can see that people are actively looking for NATS based programs, there must be some reason for this.

I've never done that good with proggies using nats...

Fifty......,.

Still quite a number of affiliates are only looking for NATS based programs.

woj, I knew you would show up

if ccbill offered the same bells and whistles NATS/MPA3 did, i'd use it more than anything else. but it doesn't so I like NATS/MPA3 more.

Fraud protection is good, but why would I not get paid until a user logs into the members area?

Also, is it true that if a user signs up to two sites in the same network in the same month, I only get credit for one sale?

The first thing is very easy to answer, as paysite owner you best refund any subscriptions that are not used, they will end up being cbs anyway.

The second one I don't know an answer too.

On the affiliate level, which bells and whistles are it, that you like ?

Ahh that makes sense then.

I'm not sure if NATS is the only one to use that type of protection though, maybe most do. If not, stuff like that could be why people see a decline in ratios with a NATS switch, although it does hurt affiliates bottom pockets, protecting against fraud in this biz is extremely important for the long term.

As long as the fraud protection can be explained though, and you made a point about the chargebacks.

NATS had an interesting marketing idea when they came out and played into a lot of people's concerns regarding shaving. So, all the guys that were pulling conversion ratios of 1:1800 or higher decided to blame whatever system they were on at the time and not look at other factors for their poor performance.

I think the newness of the NATs is wearing off and the same guys that had suck ass ratios 8 months ago, still have suckass ratios now and there might be the light dawning on some people that the system used by a sponsor isn't as important as other factors (sponsor saturation, niche, your traffic source, etc, etc).

As I said, right now, I'm doing great with CCbill sponsors, the month before my top sponsor was an MPA3 sponsor, who knows what system will come out on top next month, but I know one thing for sure, I'll never pick or decline a sponsor just based on the system they're using...that's just crazy.

campaigns,refering urls for clicks and sales, traffic break down (1st/2nd/join hits)

and that most of the tools in the majority of NATS/MPA3 setups all work the same. CCBill people use all sorts of wacked shit and it's hard to get shit right, plus, the programs that use ccbill, and don't generate the links for you, make me cry. I can't count how many times I've fucked up the ccbill id, sent a shitload of traffic then realized the ID was off by 1 digit or something

That is an very easy to understand advantage of NATS

wow at last a good thread from gooddomains, well done man

Like a mcdonalds cheeseburger - NATS may not be the best solution out there but it does the job and has great marketing and the right people behind it.

So long as people are enjoying their 2 cent cheeseburgers and don't realise what else is out there they will always be happy :)

A sponsor will never come out and say ...'oh...nats sucks there are better scripts around' - so the whole effect snowballs into one giant success - for NATS owners ;)

its not bulky like all the others, i can login, boom boom boom and have all the tools, very easy to use as well. complicated stuff sucks when you need all your promo material fast.

Very good points. Thx for the reply

What scripts do you think are better than NATS? Really want to know.

Thx. Besides wastimg my time on GFY I actually also work something (sometimes at least).

These are the reasons i dislike NATS...

Every man and their dog are opening up programs and it shits me to tears - atleast CCBill has an enormous number of sponsors you can promote from the ONE admin.

I can hear you on this one.

campaigns tracking is vital if you want to maximize your earnings

I don't see NATS and go, oh I gotta signup... or look for NATS when signing up. I don't think it does anything from an affiliate standpoint. Maybe the pro's and cons if any are for things like the modules for FHG database exports etc... Where I know I can export the data in the form I want, but actually see some NATS using sponsors who dont have this functionality so I guess that makes that point invalid :)

Also seen many Nats setups that don't offer things like referring tracking that is a neccessity and also I see some nats stats report 1/10th of others, so those are things that turn me off more than turn me on... cuz i start suspecting soemthing when its different everywhere