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woj 06-27-2006 06:38 PM
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BusterBunny 06-27-2006 06:38 PM
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candyflip 06-27-2006 06:39 PM
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EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by interavid
you can't defend freedom of speech only when it's something you agree with. That's the whole point.
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I don't give two shits if you want to cuss at the flag; hell, you can tell it whatever you want to, i don't care. Burning it, on the other hand, is not speaking. It is a classless and cowardly act of desecration.

soulswagon 06-27-2006 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by giftedtwisted
Right
If anything they should find a way to "ban/arrest/prosecute/burn/poop on" government officials who ignore the needs and rights of the citizens of this country, and push their own agenda that serves noone but themselves and other politicians.
That's what I was trying to say, but you said much better.

devilspost 06-27-2006 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I don't give two shits if you want to cuss at the flag; hell, you can tell it whatever you want to, i don't care. Burning it, on the other hand, is not speaking. It is a classless and cowardly act of desecration.
Freedom of speech aint just about talking, are you in the porn industry? :1orglaugh

Xplicit 06-27-2006 06:44 PM
Good this didnt pass. I think anyone who hates america enough to burn a flag should LEAVE THE COUNTRY, but, people have the right to do stupid shit.

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by candyflip
Somethings aren't always meant to be taken so literally. It's what that the flag stands for...FREEDOM :winkwink:
Exactly, and just why do you think that anyone would burn the flag? It's not just so they can burn some colorful cloth. What they are "burning" is everything that the flag symbolizes and embodies.

fuzzylogic 06-27-2006 06:46 PM
WARNING: THIS THREAD CONTAINS STATE-SPONSORING FASCISTS WHO ABHORE THE DESTRUCTION OF IDOLS WHICH REPRESENT AUTHORITY. I.E. FLAGS AND CROSSES. This thread will contains elements of radical authoritarian political philosophy, corporatism, totalitarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.

giftedtwisted 06-27-2006 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I don't give two shits if you want to cuss at the flag; hell, you can tell it whatever you want to, i don't care. Burning it, on the other hand, is not speaking. It is a classless and cowardly act of desecration.

US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:
"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"

This can be interpreted as...
If someone feels the flag is no longer representing their rights as a citizen of the US they can burn it.

I feel this act is the ultimate expression of upset and disgust towards the government.

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
In Their Own Words: Compendium of Veterans' Quotes Against the Flag Desecration Amendment

http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/flag/...s20040304.html
And the ACLU is tring to get a cross taken down in a veterans cemetary in San diego http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41617 , they can go fuck themselves

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
Freedom of speech aint just about talking, are you in the porn industry? :1orglaugh
Ok, since you feel qualified to enlighten us on the subject, please do so. How/why do you feel these "actions" should this be covered by "freedom of speech"?

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by giftedtwisted
US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:
"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"

This can be interpreted as...
If someone feels the flag is no longer representing their rights as a citizen of the US they can burn it.

I feel this act is the ultimate expression of upset and disgust towards the government.
You have got to be kidding? Did you not read the part about dignifed?

devilspost 06-27-2006 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
Ok, since you feel qualified to enlighten us on the subject, please do so. How/why do you feel these "actions" should this be covered by "freedom of speech"?
Because it gives me wood :winkwink: Dude read the what the vets say about it on the aclu page.

Mr. Soul 06-27-2006 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Evil
what if i wanted to express myself by spray painting all over a wall. is that freedom of expresion? no thats vandalism.

If you own the wall, it's freedom of expression. It's funny how much thought people like you put into what comes out of your mouths (or keyboards).

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
Of course that is what happens on a military base. How else do you supposed they program them to be dumb enough to go and risk death for them? Sad really. But humans do need faith and a cause. Give them religion, country, and currency... and you are set to engineer the perfect slave.

I'm the first male in my entire family to not join the marines. No fucking way. I'm not going to give my life for a sack of lies and greed. No thanks, I will leave that to the guys who actually think they are fighting for someone worth while. In the meantime I will enjoy the ocean view from my condo in Thailand and nod my head as I watch American disintegrate daily on CNN.

I would NOT burn a flag, but it does not bother me at all if someone does. The reason I would not is not because I think it stands for something, but I would not because I can find better things to do with my time. That and I would not waste my money on a flag. Flags & countries are as stupid as religion and only divide us as humans and races. I am of planet earth, and they day they allow me to have a passport that says so... I will get it and burn the American one. I would not dare to think of myself so small that I could only be proud of one land divided by imaginary lines on the earth. Get real. America may own me on paper, but that day will also come to an end.

Democracy is only a nano-second on the timeline of history, and it it appears that it is not working now as well as they planned...
Your confusing the American flag with politics, only the politians and dip shits that want to burn a flag see them as being the same, they aren't!

devilspost 06-27-2006 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
And the ACLU is tring to get a cross taken down in a veterans cemetary in San diego http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41617 , they can go fuck themselves
Funny how people need symbols to make themselves feel happy and safe.
So if you get your xtain cross I can have my satanic star? Slippery slope aint it?

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by giftedtwisted
US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:
"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"

This can be interpreted as...
If someone feels the flag is no longer representing their rights as a citizen of the US they can burn it.

I feel this act is the ultimate expression of upset and disgust towards the government.
That is not even close to the correct interpretation of what that section is stating. That section lays out the guidelines (mostly used as standards of display for federal institutions and agencies these days). What it is saying is that the flag should be displayed (as in on a flagpole) until such time as until such time as it is "no longer a fitting emblem" (as in it's sun-bleached, tattered and torn from weather). At that time, the flag is to be destroyed (as in retired) in a dignified way such as burning (since throwing a flag in the trash would be very disgraceful).

nico-t 06-27-2006 07:00 PM
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1. Dr. Rex Curry showed that the USA's early Pledge of Allegiance (to the flag) used a straight-arm salute and it was the origin of the salute of the monstrous National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis). http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
Historic photographs are at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html
also see http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html

2. Many people were persecuted for refusing to give the straight-arm salute to the national flag. That was the national flag of the USA and of Germany. It happened in the USA (to the stars and stripes) and in Germany (to the swastika flag) at the same time. Many of the people who were persecuted were religious people who believed that the pledge and the salute were the sacrilegious worship of government. They had a basis for their belief. Most people do not know that a cross was worshiped as the notorious symbol of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The group called the symbol on its national flag the "Hakenkreuz," not the swastika. Hakenkreuz means "hooked cross." Although the swastika was an ancient symbol, Professor Rex Curry discovered that it was also used sometimes by German National Socialists to represent "S" letters for their "socialism." With a 45 degree turn of his Hakenkreuz, the leader of German National Socialists combined the cross with collectivism, merged church and state, meshed religion and socialism, and mandated the worship of government. Hitler altered his own signature to use the same stylized "S" letter for "socialist" and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
HEIL BUSH!

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Vendzilla 06-27-2006 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
Funny how people need symbols to make themselves feel happy and safe.
So if you get your xtain cross I can have my satanic star? Slippery slope aint it?
It's not about that, it's about the aclu thinking they have control over a veterans cemetary, veterans that are buried there have no rights over some atheist that wants it removed from his view, fuck him!

directfiesta 06-27-2006 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Evil
what if i wanted to express myself by spray painting all over a wall. is that freedom of expresion? no thats vandalism.
not if it is YOUR wall ...

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
Funny how people need symbols to make themselves feel happy and safe.
So if you get your xtain cross I can have my satanic star? Slippery slope aint it?
No, not slippery at all. Of course you can have your star. The issue is not about letting someone possess something, it is about letting someone destroy something that someone else holds sacred.

directfiesta 06-27-2006 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
So your OK with the KKK burning a cross?
I am ... It's their cross ...

Now if they suspend a ni...er to it before, well that changes things from expression to murder ...

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nico-t
HEIL BUSH!
GFY dude, the salute comes from knights of old england, in salute they would raise the visor of their armor with their right hand extended
http://www.defence.gov.au/ARMY/tradi...ofSaluting.htm
What Hitler wanted his troops to do was completely different

devilspost 06-27-2006 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
It's not about that, it's about the aclu thinking they have control over a veterans cemetary, veterans that are buried there have no rights over some atheist that wants it removed from his view, fuck him!
I guess you dont see why they want it taken down? I didnt read it but it is probably so everyones rights are protected. not just the xtian- invisible man worshipers.

devilspost 06-27-2006 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
No, not slippery at all. Of course you can have your star. The issue is not about letting someone possess something, it is about letting someone destroy something that someone else holds sacred.
Yeah I want to start my own porn religion and hang a pic of shane's dick next to your xtain cross.

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
I guess you dont see why they want it taken down? I didnt read it but it is probably so everyones rights are protected. not just the xtian- invisible man worshipers.
Maybe you should read it, what ever your beliefs are, don't push them on others, that should be the ACLU, but it isn't, it's about them making people pissed off, the cross was there for over 50 years and it over looked veterans that believed in the cross, well they got voted out, the ACLU is all about making headlines now, just like our politians, fuck all of them

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
Yeah I want to start my own porn religion and hang a pic of shane's dick next to your xtain cross.
So? Be my guest, what the fuck do I care? You can hang a picture of his dick next to the flag and it still wouldn't be the same as burning it.

Scootermuze 06-27-2006 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
.................... Burning it, on the other hand, is not speaking. .........
Internet porn is not speaking either, but it's protected by the same 1st amendment.. Although I agree 100% with you, freedom of expression falls within the speech deal...

czarina 06-27-2006 07:15 PM
good! those morons are always trying to come up with new ways to screw the American people.

directfiesta 06-27-2006 07:17 PM
piece of cloth used to identify groups ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag

If you would show as much respect to people than you do to this piece of cloth, you would be on the right track ....

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
Internet porn is not speaking either, but it's protected by the same 1st amendment.. Although I agree 100% with you, freedom of expression falls within the speech deal...
True, but that is because it is still a form of communication. Even though it could be argued that by burning the flag, those people are just trying to communicate their point. But I don't buy this argument. Freedom of speech only goes so far, and personally I feel that this action falls outside of that and therefor should not be protected as a form of "freedom of speech".

devilspost 06-27-2006 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
So? Be my guest, what the fuck do I care? You can hang a picture of his dick next to the flag and it still wouldn't be the same as burning it.
I think you are confused. I am posting to Vendzilla about the cross hanging over a grave site and the aclu calling for taking it down.

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EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
piece of cloth used to identify groups ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag

If you would show as much respect to people than you do to this piece of cloth, you would be on the right track ....
If most people stood for the values, history, and beliefs that our flag stands for maybe I would.

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by devilspost
I think you are confused. I am posting to Vendzilla about the cross hanging over a grave site and the aclu calling for taking it down.
Oh, my bad. Makes a little more sense now; I was trying to figure out where the hell you were going with this. :1orglaugh

giftedtwisted 06-27-2006 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
That is not even close to the correct interpretation of what that section is stating. That section lays out the guidelines (mostly used as standards of display for federal institutions and agencies these days). What it is saying is that the flag should be displayed (as in on a flagpole) until such time as until such time as it is "no longer a fitting emblem" (as in it's sun-bleached, tattered and torn from weather). At that time, the flag is to be destroyed (as in retired) in a dignified way such as burning (since throwing a flag in the trash would be very disgraceful).
Nice point and I will concede to your argument here.

And add.....

Like I said before why not ban burning copies of the Bill of Rights, The Civil Rights Act, U.S. constitution etc..??? then after that what else do we ban??? I'm not arguing that burning of the flag isn't a bad thing to see or even disgracefull, BUT life is hard...and the consutition doesn't protect you from getting your feelings hurt. This is more about the precident that it sets for the future.

Why not simply invoke local laws that limit open fires in public without a permit? No, our government has to Suddenly decide that the burning of the flag needs to be banned.

There are more important things in this world than the flag. Which btw we wear as underwear, tshirts, and shoes.... so if we can shit sweat and walk on our flag why can't we burn it for a cause?
red white and blue for fun :-)

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
piece of cloth used to identify groups ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag

If you would show as much respect to people than you do to this piece of cloth, you would be on the right track ....

American Flag
Noun

1. The national flag of the United States of America.

Mr. Soul 06-27-2006 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
If most people stood for the values, history, and beliefs that our flag stands for maybe I would.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You're in my son's third grade history class right?

DWB 06-27-2006 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
Your confusing the American flag with politics, only the politians and dip shits that want to burn a flag see them as being the same, they aren't!
I can see how that looks like the two were merged. My bad.

Regarding the flag, it doesn't bother me if they do burn it, however I would not do so. Burning it in front of those who DO respect the flag, is a disrespect to those people. :2 cents:

If one must burn his flag, do so in his own yard around others who choose to burn it.

directfiesta 06-27-2006 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla
American Flag
Noun

1. The national flag of the United States of America.
http://static.flickr.com/43/74143894_c5d9ce7467_m.jpg

.. it still is just a piece of cloth....

Here is the French one:

http://www.wardenpark.co.uk/departme...s/Flag_fra.jpg

No problem burning that too ...

devilspost 06-27-2006 07:37 PM
Can I get a hallelujah

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EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by giftedtwisted
Nice point and I will concede to your argument here.

And add.....

Like I said before why not ban burning copies of the Bill of Rights, The Civil Rights Act, U.S. constitution etc..??? then after that what else do we ban??? I'm not arguing that burning of the flag isn't a bad thing to see or even disgracefull, BUT life is hard...and the consutition doesn't protect you from getting your feelings hurt. This is more about the precident that it sets for the future.

Why not simply invoke local laws that limit open fires in public without a permit? No, our government has to Suddenly decide that the burning of the flag needs to be banned.

There are more important things in this world than the flag. Which btw we wear as underwear, tshirts, and shoes.... so if we can shit sweat and walk on our flag why can't we burn it for a cause?
red white and blue for fun :-)

Hmmmmm...


You make some very valid points here. :thumbsup

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
http://static.flickr.com/43/74143894_c5d9ce7467_m.jpg

.. it still is just a piece of cloth....

Here is the French one:

http://www.wardenpark.co.uk/departme...s/Flag_fra.jpg

No problem burning that too ...
then burn some cloth, the American flag is a symbol, if it was only a piece of cloth, then no one would care

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:43 PM
Maybe the biggest problem that I have with the whole scenario is that it is ok for someone to burn the flag in front of me, but it's not ok (well, not legal) for me as a citizen with equal rights to do anything about it. Maybe we are looking at this situation at this situation from the wrong perspective. Maybe we should look into "expanding freedoms" as the vets said. How about making it legal to beat the hell out of someone that is burning the flag? That would work for me. Then people would be free to express their disgust with whatever it is that they are rebelling against by burning the flag, and the rest of us would be free to express our disgust with them by beating the piss out of them. WIN-WIN Senario. :thumbsup

EdgeXXX 06-27-2006 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You're in my son's third grade history class right?
Yeah, I am, I sit right behind him. So try not to piss me off tonight or I may take it out on him tomorrow. :321GFY

GatorB 06-27-2006 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
True, but that is because it is still a form of communication. Even though it could be argued that by burning the flag, those people are just trying to communicate their point. But I don't buy this argument. Freedom of speech only goes so far, and personally I feel that this action falls outside of that and therefor should not be protected as a form of "freedom of speech".
That's bullshit. The first Admendment especially protects speech no one likes. After all why wouuld speech everyone agrees with need protecting? You can burn an old tatter flag and it's considered proper, but if you burn it because you are protesting teh government then it's not ok. If that's not the definition of what the 1st Admendment is protecting then we should just tear the damned Constitution uip and burn that too.

Aks yourself this, WHY does ANY speech need protecting?

ANSWER: because sometimes the government doesn't like what you have to say.

All these guys who have miltary experience that tell people like me "You haven't served to you don't get it" no YOU don't get it. Go re-read you induction oath


"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"

there is an old saying " I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death your right to say it"

Any military person that does not believe this is an emabarassment to the uniform, a hypocrite and a traitor.

Vendzilla 06-27-2006 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
Maybe the biggest problem that I have with the whole scenario is that it is ok for someone to burn the flag in front of me, but it's not ok (well, not legal) for me as a citizen with equal rights to do anything about it. Maybe we are looking at this situation at this situation from the wrong perspective. Maybe we should look into "expanding freedoms" as the vets said. How about making it legal to beat the hell out of someone that is burning the flag? That would work for me. Then people would be free to express their disgust with whatever it is that they are rebelling against by burning the flag, and the rest of us would be free to express our disgust with them by beating the piss out of them. WIN-WIN Senario. :thumbsup
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devilspost 06-27-2006 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX
How about making it legal to beat the hell out of someone that is burning the flag? That would work for me. Then people would be free to express their disgust with whatever it is that they are rebelling against by burning the flag, and the rest of us would be free to express our disgust with them by beating the piss out of them. WIN-WIN Senario. :thumbsup
You might be fucking with the wrong commie pinko hippy and get taken to school.:thumbsup


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