'Fahrenheit 9/11 army recruiter killed in action

[SmokeyTheBear]

remember the 2 army recruiters , cruising low income neighbourhoods trying to pickup new marines ?

guess god didnt think that was very funny, he was killed in iraq yesterday

[dannyz-zbuckz]

karma. it's a bitch.

[pornguy]

Hmm. wonder how his family feels about that.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

remember the 2 army recruiters , cruising low income neighbourhoods trying to pickup new marines ?

guess god didnt think that was very funny, he was killed in iraq yesterday

What's wrong with recruiting in low income neighborhoods? Is that worse than recruiting in middle class?

[~Ray]

damn.. still sad

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by BobG

What's wrong with recruiting in low income neighborhoods? Is that worse than recruiting in middle class?

yes


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[devilspost]

The way they stalked the kids was classic.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BobG

What's wrong with recruiting in low income neighborhoods? Is that worse than recruiting in middle class?

yup ... like vultures of death

[Mr. Romance]

sorry to hear that..

Mr. Romance

[bdld]

most countries have recruiters, or mandatory enlistment

[Hollywood Horwitz]

oh yeah i remember that guy from the Farenheit..i'm sure MM is in tears now that he got killed in the war..

[Ramos]

interesting...............

[Relish XXX]

I dont know why but I am laughing my balls off.

[cookiekid]

Those guys were preyin on those recruits....ah well.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Horwitz

oh yeah i remember that guy from the Farenheit..i'm sure MM is in tears now that he got killed in the war..

he might be.. who knows..
i feel bad anyone gets killed , even that guy , he was duped into believing he was doing the right thing and he got the hardest lesson of all on why he was wrong.. i dont think he feels very proud right now , all he feels is dead... his dad says he feels proud, i certainly dont.. i feel ashamed as a human.

[Relish XXX]

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/06/28....ap/index.html

He was trying to pick up kids for sexual purposes using candy as the bait. Worked better than trying to pick up poor people to join the army.

[Relish XXX]

http://www.marines.mil/marinelink/mc.../2001321211228

actually he was kind of cool and seemed to do anything for everyone including donating a kidney to his uncle.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Horwitz

oh yeah i remember that guy from the Farenheit..i'm sure MM is in tears now that he got killed in the war..

.. as much as Bush is ....

But who sent him there ... Michael or Georgie ????

[BobG]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

yup ... like vultures of death

some might argue that they were offering those kids an opportunity to aquire new skills, grow up and start on a positive path toward a good life. I could imagine there might be alot of worse options than joining the army for some of the folks in those lower income neighborhoods.

just a thought.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by BobG

some might argue that they were offering those kids an opportunity to aquire new skills, grow up and start on a positive path toward a good life. I could imagine there might be alot of worse options than joining the army for some of the folks in those lower income neighborhoods.

just a thought.

In a NORMAL situation, I would probably agree with that ... But not for recruiting kids to go die in Iraq for nothing ....

[Nismo]

Wow, the kid gave one of his kidneys to his uncle. Very commendable.

[Relish XXX]

Originally Posted by Nismo

Wow, the kid gave one of his kidneys to his uncle. Very commendable.

Shame he gave the other one to an Iraqi insurgents bullet.

[SxDx]

I don't really think a US solider getting killed in combat is all that funny or ironic.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by SxDx

I don't really think a US solider getting killed in combat is all that funny or ironic.

I agree... it is pretty sad in fact. He had a wife and 2 young kids ...

[Doctor Dre]

The army are trying to use him as a public figure now ?

[Dirty Dane]

He must be a hero now. RIP

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by BobG

some might argue that they were offering those kids an opportunity to aquire new skills, grow up and start on a positive path toward a good life. I could imagine there might be alot of worse options than joining the army for some of the folks in those lower income neighborhoods.

just a thought.

It all depends on how the recruiting is done. It used to bother me when they would set up tables outside of lunch and I would see teacher's push the lower skilled kids (the ones barely out of special ed classes) to the tables. As we weren't at war at the time I know they were in many ways just trying to give the kid a chance at a paycheck but in war time that takes on a cannon fodder feel to it.

[Quagmire]

Death is one of the parts of the business of war. I feel bad for the family and its loss, but the dude made his choice to be a Marine. They don't train Marines to pump gas or work at Wal-Mart, they train them to kill other people.

[theking]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

remember the 2 army recruiters , cruising low income neighbourhoods trying to pickup new marines ?

guess god didnt think that was very funny, he was killed in iraq yesterday

When did Army Recruiters start recruiting for the Marines?

[theking]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

yup ... like vultures of death

Pigshit.

[theking]

Originally Posted by BobG

some might argue that they were offering those kids an opportunity to aquire new skills, grow up and start on a positive path toward a good life. I could imagine there might be alot of worse options than joining the army for some of the folks in those lower income neighborhoods.

just a thought.

That would be a very good argument.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

He must be a hero now. RIP

No, he is a casualty.

[theking]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

he might be.. who knows..
i feel bad anyone gets killed , even that guy , he was duped into believing he was doing the right thing and he got the hardest lesson of all on why he was wrong.. i dont think he feels very proud right now , all he feels is dead... his dad says he feels proud, i certainly dont.. i feel ashamed as a human.

He was not duped into anything. He was on a career path as he was a Senior NCO which means he reenlisted one or more times. He would not consider that he was wrong. He was proud to serve his country and his Corp as proven by his reenlisting. You should feel ashame.

[theking]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

No, he is a casualty.

All that serve are de facto heroes. Those that serve in combat are even more so...period.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by theking

All that serve are de facto heroes. Those that serve in combat are even more so...period.

Another abused term , just like FREEDOM ....

What exactly did he do to be a hero ...

[theking]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Another abused term , just like FREEDOM ....

What exactly did he do to be a hero ...

He served in the military...he served in a combat zone...he died in the service of his country...any of which makes him a de facto hero.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

I dont know why but I am laughing my balls off.

Could it be because you are a piece of shit?

[Relish XXX]

Originally Posted by theking

Could it be because you are a piece of shit?

It is just the irony of it. How he is telling people to sign up to see the world and then ends up seeing the inside of a body bag. Well not actually seeing it as he is dead.

[theking]

Originally Posted by cookiekid

Those guys were preyin on those recruits....ah well.

Recruiters do not prey...they offer opportunity...unique experiences...and/or an honorable career in the service of their country. What honorable career do you have?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by theking

He was not duped into anything. He was on a career path as he was a Senior NCO which means he reenlisted one or more times. He would not consider that he was wrong. He was proud to serve his country and his Corp as proven by his reenlisting. You should feel ashame.

his career path was death he got death, he didnt realise it was death at the time , he though it was a great "career" move , and he was wrong..

He doesnt feel anything right now , he is dead. thats my point , and every one of the people he tricked into dying doesnt feel any different, they just feel dead.. doesnt sound like a very wise career in my opinion.. I'm sure he was proud to serve his country , right up until the second before he died. Im proud of people who serve my country , i'm not proud of people who dont stand up and say " i'm not doing that , its wrong "

The whole war is fucked because nobody has the balls to say "stop" , because the military follows a chain of command and everyone must follow the chain regardless of if its right or wrong, and thats just stupid..

The only thing im ashamed of is the useless waste of life protecting nothing..

[theking]

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

It is just the irony of it. How he is telling people to sign up to see the world and then ends up seeing the inside of a body bag. Well not actually seeing it as he is dead.

From the moment of birth one is on the path to death. There is no guarantee that you will be alive in the very next moment. No one will escape from this world alive so there is not any irony here at all.

[Relish XXX]

Originally Posted by theking

Recruiters do not prey...they offer opportunity...unique experiences...and/or an honorable career in the service of their country. What honorable career do you have?

Yeah a unique experience to have your head removed from your body and an honorable funeral with all your buddies.

[theking]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

his career path was death he got death, he didnt realise it was death at the time , he though it was a great "career" move , and he was wrong..

He doesnt feel anything right now , he is dead. thats my point , and every one of the people he tricked into dying doesnt feel any different, they just feel dead.. doesnt sound like a very wise career in my opinion.. I'm sure he was proud to serve his country , right up until the second before he died. Im proud of people who serve my country , i'm not proud of people who dont stand up and say " i'm not doing that , its wrong "

The whole war is fucked because nobody has the balls to say "stop" , because the military follows a chain of command and everyone must follow the chain regardless of if its right or wrong, and thats just stupid..

The only thing im ashamed of is the useless waste of life protecting nothing..

You have already proved that you are ignorant.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
remember the 2 army recruiters , cruising low income neighbourhoods trying to pickup new marines ?

guess god didnt think that was very funny, he was killed in iraq yesterday

When did Army Recruiters start recruiting for the Marines?

Now you have compounded your ignorance.

His career move was not death. He chose an honorable career in the service his country...while being fully aware that his service may result in his death. Death is something that no one escapes from. Recruiters do not trick people into anything...they present the opportunities and experieces that are available and the adult makes his or her decision.

The time to say that it is wrong is before you make a "sworn oath". Once you have made that "sworn oath" a person is required to obey that oath and follow the orders of his chain of command...which is not stupid but is the act of an honorable person. Honorable people do not violate a "sworn oath"...period. What job have you ever had that required you to make a "sworn oath".

[sacX]

Originally Posted by theking

The time to say that it is wrong is before you make a "sworn oath". Once you have made that "sworn oath" a person is required to obey that oath and follow the orders of his chain of command...which is not stupid but is the act of an honorable person. Honorable people do not violate a "sworn oath"...period. What job have you ever had that required you to make a "sworn oath".

It's not honorable if the sworn oath requires unethical actions. In fact it's specifically dishonorable. Haven't you seen "A Few Good Men" :P or remember the Nuremberg trials?

[huey]

The guy died being a soldier. No bad karma there. I bet tha majority of guys they recruited from the ghetto end up with a better life than if they didn't join the army. A few have to get killed part of the deal.

[theking]

Originally Posted by sacX

It's not honorable if the sworn oath requires unethical actions. In fact it's specifically dishonorable. Haven't you seen "A Few Good Men" :P or remember the Nuremberg trials?

Whether something is unethical is subjective. Having said that a soldier has an avenue to officially protest what he may believe to be an illegal order. He had better be right when he does this as there may very well be consequences if the powers that be decide that the order was not an illegal order. One of the consequences may be a discharge under less than honorable conditions or even an out and out Dishonorable Discharge.

"A Few Good Men" was a movie. Movies are fictional. If the Axis would have been the victors the "NuembergTrials" would have been held against the Allies. "Subjective".

[theking]

Originally Posted by huey

The guy died being a soldier. No bad karma there. I bet tha majority of guys they recruited from the ghetto end up with a better life than if they didn't join the army. A few have to get killed part of the deal.

You are correct.

[Capt. rold]

All politics aside, the guy's motivations were honorable, I feel bad for his parents

[-Turk-]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

he might be.. who knows..
i feel bad anyone gets killed , even that guy , he was duped into believing he was doing the right thing and he got the hardest lesson of all on why he was wrong.. i dont think he feels very proud right now , all he feels is dead... his dad says he feels proud, i certainly dont.. i feel ashamed as a human.

You're kidding me right ? Do you have any idea what you are saying ?

[sacX]

Originally Posted by theking

Whether something is unethical is subjective. Having said that a soldier has an avenue to officially protest what he may believe to be an illegal order. He had better be right when he does this as there may very well be consequences if the powers that be decide that the order was not an illegal order. One of the consequences may be a discharge under less than honorable conditions or even an out and out Dishonorable Discharge.

"A Few Good Men" was a movie. Movies are fictional. If the Axis would have been the victors the "NuembergTrials" would have been held against the Allies. "Subjective".

That movie was fictional but it doesn't mean it can't provide an interesting premise for discussion.

Who was prosecuted after WW2 may have been subjective, it doesn't mean the actions of people during the war were subjective. I would say objectively there were war crimes on both sides, only one side was prosecuted.

Do you really want to argue that ethics are subjective?