Buffet is a rich man I doubt he would expect you or anyone else below his position to understand the choices he makes

the Bill and Melinda gates foundation has 100's of programs they sponsor throughtout the U.S. and abroad. Being that he is a real buisness man he knew that to scale up his on charitable orginazation would not be as smart as giving the money to an existing orginazation with a proven track record and headed up by some of the smartest people in the world

again he wouldnt expect anyone beneath his intelectual level to understand such things and I am sure there have been plenty critics ( mostly republicans)

hopefully his example will influence other rich people and drive the reality of mortality home

you cant take it with you


:thumbsup to Mr Buffet

whats to say it wont work now...?

look at south korea!!! :1orglaugh . prime example of how americas help has completely changed a 3rd world country into an up and coming economic cash cow.

hmmmm, what an odd statement. you go to great lengths to explain that I'm not at his intellectual level because of all he's accomplished yet somehow, any surfer, post whore, or TGP submitter should somehow be on equal footing with me because after all, what I've accomplished doesn't count.:1orglaugh
I get it.

We old folks think alike. :thumbsup

ok, now take warren's money (a sum far less than our investment in south korea) spread it around several third world countries, and explain how it will change anything.

yes, for the calander year he gives it, some kids will live. So they die a year later. not money well spent imo.

im sorry I have no clue what you are talking about:helpme

maybe I missed something because I didnt know this thread had anything to do with your footing or surfers or even TGP's

please clarify as you have completely confused me

ok, how's this?
Just as warren shouldn't expect me to understand him because of his superior intellect (as shown by his accomplishments) we shouldn't expect you to understand what I'm saying because of your inferior intellect (again, as shown by my accomplishments)

much like other democrats.:1orglaugh

wow:error

intelectualy I am more then likely inferior to millions of people on this planet

you could never be one of them

in fact I would go so far as to say that judging by your opinions statements and positions you are most likely around the lower rungs of the intelligence ladder.

not the greatest but indeed an acomplishment nonetheless cheers to you :thumbsup

fantasy land is a wonderful place.
sucks when you get a dose of reality, eh?:1orglaugh

The guy needs to take all him money and revamp the school system.

again no clue what you are talking about:upsidedow

maybe someone following this thread can point out and translate the part where you made sense

as it stand now I am sure most of us are wondering if you are on some sort of meds or not

in any case im done with you as I have said before I refuse to do a battle of wits with an unarmed man

carry on kiddie show daddy you know how to work the keyboard:)

Surely you didn't expect anything else from a spyware and scumware pusher? :1orglaugh

sucks being slapped down, eh picture taker?
you can avoid that by quoting someone else when you want to make your idiot posts.:1orglaugh

that one month punishment with no internet you mom laid on you is over, a dick pack?:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

this is crazy I still have no clue what you are talkin about

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh WOW

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You pull on the string, and random one sentence spurts comes out, just like with this Bugs Bunny doll :

http://members.aol.com/rx4dolls1/bugs.jpg
http://members.aol.com/rx4dolls1/bugs2.jpg

Notice the ring, 12Shits , then go look in the mirror ... I am sure you have one of those ....

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

that was evident when you made your first post in this thread.
you really should stick with the "would you hit it" threads.

hmmm I actualy have never posted in a would you hit i thread:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

still no clue what you are talking about

are you slightly deranged??? just a tad retarded??? Some type of drug adict??

something is definitely wrong with you and I can see it in every post:Oh crap

im sorry for you and seriously

REALLY being serious here

if there is something I can do to help you ( seriously) please feel free to ask

I am sorry for my other post I wish I could edit them but your pain was not obvious to me at the time

please accept my apology I would never intentionaly make fun of someone in your situation

may your god bless your soul you poor little guy

:Oh crap now I feel bad

I should have caught on to your plight right away

good luck....ok

yet you prattle on.
keep chirping little bird.:1orglaugh

I see something is missing in you men, and that is "Love" in every people in the world. Maybe no one helps you that is why you are like that. sorry

Im happy to hear and read people like Mr.Buffet is still helping other people around the World specially on Thrird world countries.

God Bless you!! Mr. Warren Buffet :thumbsup


"To all you cant bring all your money to the grave!"

.................................................. .................................................. .

wise words! I agree. :thumbsup

I would actually say that free trade and property rights alone would be sufficient. Business and education will then appear on their own.

Why don't you read their website? They've already spent 2 billion on US high schools.

They're actually spending a lot of money researching the diseases instead of just handing out the money to foreign governments. They are using business style methods of accountability.

i wonder how much Bill soaks out of his foundation just for being the president of it. i bet his personal lifestyle bills are off the hook expensive. something has to pay for that. i trust all of about NO charitable foundations.

p.s. i used to live in washington state. and i dont know a single fucking person one whose life has been touched by bill and his 'generousity' giving computer pre-installed with windows to little kids is not good for the community folks. its good for old bills pockets.

Paul allen on the other hand... he does a lot of shit for local communities. he paid a quarter million to put a softball diamond in my hometown. 4 of them actually. he also was a major funder for the experience music project in seattle. at least his givings are measurable. unlike bill's.

Tuff. It's his money and your opinion doesn't matter.

I think you're utterly wrong anyway... Do you give a dying cancer victim a glass of water, and say "can I get you anything else?", or do you just say "ah fuck him, he's gonna die anyway"...

?

The help that money would give may not affect long term, but it could ease the lives of SO many people that will NEVER get help...

In the western world, everyone has a chance for help... already.

Don't know of Paul Allen, but sure folks appreciate what he may have done.

However, when talking of "charity" (that could also be defined as investment), the comparisons between the disadvantage of having a local softball diamond and people who will be dead thru starvation by tomorrow, is a little out of context.

The perspective between real need, disease and starvation and comparing that to computers, softball areas and music projects in the US is too absurd and shows a complete non-understanding of any hardship.

There is no comparison between the US or any other northern hemisphere western country and nations with severe hardship. They all have a life of pampered luxury and totally spoilt in comparison.

Well here's ~100 million right here he's donated for education in Washington state

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Educa...nounce-173.htm

why don't you stay on the porch with the other puppies?:winkwink:
I listened to the Buffet news conference. What I heard was from the guys mouth. what you read on Gate's website could be two months old and certainly doesn't have what Buffet said on it.

how many more morons will post in this thread "your opinion doesn't matter" and then proceed to give their own opinion in the very next sentence? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

150...........

nonsense it's simply a matter of priorities, improving one's own region or letting it slide in favor of areas that will never benefit those footing the bill even tangentially in any way whatsoever.

at least a few more trolls.
its amazing how every conversation on this board devolves into the usual trolls stomping through the thread with their 3rd grade intellect.

Obviously these two guys (bill and warren) have done exceptional work for the US economy, and have pumped trillions of dollars into the nation. If they want to take their personal fortunes (and leave their companies making tons still, btw) I can't see it as that bad.

Why can't americans see beyond their borders? Of course there are problems in the USA, but nobody here thought about that shit when they bought their last fast car, did they? You guys can be self sustaining, but everyone is too selfish. The rich people can always pay for the poor people, but why? It's not sustainable either, of course.

So if you can't pay the poor people to not be poor anymore (give a man a fish, eat for a day, teach him how to fish...) then where should that money be spent? I think squashing malaria in africa is pretty noble of them.

There are no "priorities" to consider when the issue is a matter of funding a music project or feeding the starving or fighting disease.

It never was the case that responsible charity/investing is intended to benefit those footing the bill. That's why it's called charity.

it's funny how you always resort to ad hominem attacks.

He's giving the money to Gates' foundation, you don't think what they actually have done or do is relevant? lol.

That's where there is massive communication problem. Other nations contribute globally without bullshit and "self". One of the prime countries to do this is Denmark, who put all other nations to shame. They also do it thru a well-organized framework to provide max benefit. The pro-rata "giving" by both the Dutch people and the government exceeds all other nations.

On self-sustaining.. the ideal is that investment/charity into other nations who are actually in need of it, is that it is self-sustaining and, as much as possible, be the creator of local industry and a source of employment. There is a more urgent level in scenarios where people will be dead the following morning unless they get food to carry them thru.

Of all western countries, unfortunately the US is the least "self sustaining" in that it has never produced a trade surplus since the 60's, has only two areas which do return a trade surplus - wheat and arms. There is obviously a great lack of manufactuing ability or service industry which is competitively "exportable" to other nations to help resolve the massive trade imbalance.

In addition... and a flip side, the US continues to consume 25% of world resources, tho only contains less than 5% of world population. This is also reflected in international borrowings from other nations - in the average region of $10 bill/day. Basically, overall - the US is totally unstainable and it's only a matter of time before this gets severe.

It is rare for any government to take the lead and have the strength to actively address issues of poverty and disease outside their own jurisdiction, - the problem is more than they could handle. However, nations have combined as partners in addressing this - and currently operational in the field in practical terms.

Highlighting of the "third world" has been more the realm of inviduals with a voice. That may be Richard Branson, Bill and Melinda Gates, Warren Buffet, several world leaders and a few ex-world leaders - sometimes combined with a PR celeb face. All have to be commended for raising this issue.

As to how they or their management teams decide to spend incoming revenue is their decision. The issue is addressing global problems not how to feather their own back yard. It is also the case that it involves considerable resources in effectively implementing aid to address both the urgent scenario (people dying of starvation) to the more sustainable side. (There is little hope in hell of anyone on GFY having a clue on this).

It is extemely difficult to establish, effectively a sustainable infrastructure when starting from nothing. Example, a friend returned last year from a period in another country with the brief - "establish as much sustainable infrastructure as possible to kill poverty". He had an unlimited budget from a group of countries. Tho he is only one man - he found it very hard to create an enviorment that is sustainable (tho he's a well-qualified "sustainer"). Eventually he resorted to base level commerical activity with the local population - very willing and eager to make it all work. He could not dispense much funding - the basic stuff cost very little in relative terms, - but that was enough to sow the seed of hope for many people, - and they are apparently progressing well locally with the projects he did start. Bottom line - it's not just the money. It needs a viable framework to put this to use and create "sustainabilty". Governments have little clue or expertise in this area - they can hardly manage their own backyards without a fuckup (Katrina?).

And OK.. got to admit, what you are seeing on this thread may appear to show the US as a "selfish" nation. I'm sure you are seeing little more than pampered spoilt brats and others with dogma attached. The US people are no different to anywhere else - tho their may be a lack of communication/education into the realities of the rest of the world.

Got nothing but praise for anyone.. whether Buffett, Branson or an ex-world leaders who take time out to address global poverty and disease. What nations they come from is irrelevant. It is further admirable that they have taken time out to even think of this issue and highlight it - whether they have personal fortunes or otherwise.

No, that is exactly what charity is. Improving one's surroundings by giving to others less fortunate in the community.

What you are describing is giving to others simply because you believe they somehow deserve your wealth if they have less. That is not charity, it is self-imposed slavery; working for / giving to others with no benefit to one's self.

There is a significant difference between the two actions.

If you have problems over definition - discuss that with relevant charities.