Business Poll... How many affiliate programs do you think Shave? - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 06-24-2006, 02:43 PM

Hi Guys. I had an interesting experience this week. I had a tgp veteran come by the Twistys offices. I gave him a tour and showed him how we ran our business. I was surprised to find out he was shocked that we didn't shave. He assumed all affiliate programs automatically shaved.

Being a program owner that started out as a Tgp and Cj owner I can identify with the feeling. I remember always thinking everybody shaved. Then we started TwistysCash and I got to experience how affiliate programs work and since shaving was never even a thought in my mind i started to assume the majority of companies aren't shaving. As the program owner I feel I owe my affiliates the absolute best I can possibly deliver.

Anyhow I was wondering what everybody else thinks?

blazi · 06-24-2006, 02:45 PM

If I had to guess, no less than half the sponsors out there shave daily, or have been involved with shaving in the past

JD · 06-24-2006, 02:45 PM

I'm thinking about 20% shave or have shaved on occasion to protect the bottom line.

Barefootsies · 06-24-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blazi

If I had to guess, no less than half the sponsors out there shave daily, or have been involved with shaving in the past

Dagwolf · 06-24-2006, 02:47 PM

Dollars per click. I don't try to figure out what sponsors are doing, I just try to get the most out of my traffic.

Dagwolf · 06-24-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Shap · 06-24-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Dollars per click. I don't try to figure out what sponsors are doing, I just try to get the most out of my traffic.

I understand that. What makes you the most with your traffic is the key figure to look at. HOWEVER if companies are out there and knowing knocking off 15% of sales the truth is that is theft. Is that acceptable? Just because they can convert your traffic better than someone else does that give them the right to shave?

madawgz · 06-24-2006, 02:52 PM

im not going to callout the sponsor, but one of them shaves 1 in 6.......

FreeFastHost · 06-24-2006, 02:54 PM

Most shave, about 90% I would say.

I have a list of about 20 sponsors I've caught personally. As long as I make more per click than sponsors that don't shave, I could care less if they're shaving.

marketsmart · 06-24-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

you must have visited the island of dr moreau....

Barefootsies · 06-24-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Shap · 06-24-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeFastHost

Most shave, about 90% I would say.

I have a list of about 20 sponsors I've caught personally. As long as I make more per click than sponsors that don't shave, I could care less if they're shaving.

I think you are wrong. By that rationale we would be one of the few that don't shave and I find that hard to believe. You have to be a pretty goddamn heartless sob to shave someone who is sending you business.

pornguy · 06-24-2006, 02:58 PM

I would have to say that ANY of the programs that are not like ccbill or something shave to some extent.

Shap · 06-24-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeFastHost

Most shave, about 90% I would say.

I have a list of about 20 sponsors I've caught personally. As long as I make more per click than sponsors that don't shave, I could care less if they're shaving.

btw how do you catch them? Why not list those that you caught?

poisson · 06-24-2006, 02:59 PM

Voted!

Shap · 06-24-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

I would have to say that ANY of the programs that are not like ccbill or something shave to some extent.

Sorry pornguy but this is a very uneducated comment. I invite you to visit our offices anytime and I'll glady show you and explain why.

ChargebackJoe · 06-24-2006, 03:05 PM

It is not possible to be profitable in this business without considerable shaving. See sig.

Shap · 06-24-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChargebackJoe

It is not possible to be profitable in this business without considerable shaving. See sig.

there are so many morons in this industry

polish_aristocrat · 06-24-2006, 03:16 PM

I dont know your program, but let me ask - could you pay $40 per $2.99 trials? Just curious

ChargebackJoe · 06-24-2006, 03:19 PM

The 4 elements of the perfect shave:

1. Start a thread about shaving
2. Convince everyone that one is honest and does not shave
3. See as the suckers sign up in droves
4. Continue to shave their asses off while laughing all the way to the bank

See sig.

Shap · 06-24-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

I dont know your program, but let me ask - could you pay $40 per $2.99 trials? Just curious

I don't run trials so i can not answer that question. But looking at Topbucks they have 5 popups on their tour before you hit page two of the tour. I'm guessing if i had 5 popups before the surfer hit the join page I could pay $40 on $2.99 too.

wargames · 06-24-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Dollars per click. I don't try to figure out what sponsors are doing, I just try to get the most out of my traffic.

Same here at the end of the day it is all about who makes me the most money

Madcatz · 06-24-2006, 03:30 PM

they all shave, get over it

Shap · 06-24-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Madcatz

they all shave, get over it

We don't and I know a handful of others that don't as well.

Worldsex · 06-24-2006, 04:08 PM

I KNEW this pics would come in handy one day!!!

this is the new modified 5.21 ultra smooth shaver,

I think the images speak for themselves..

Pierre
(btw..if anybody wants to sell their site, contact me at my email listed at worldsex.com ;-)

Shap · 06-24-2006, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worldsex

I KNEW this pics would come in handy one day!!!

this is the new modified 5.21 ultra smooth shaver,

I think the images speak for themselves..

Pierre
(btw..if anybody wants to sell their site, contact me at my email listed at worldsex.com ;-)

RogerV · 06-24-2006, 04:18 PM

I feel the same way we use Executive Stats to show we donhahaha8217;t shave. And we keep our payouts fair. We might not pay the most or the least but we right in the middle. Our growth is taking a little longer but my goal is to build reliable strong business relationships for long term

Do webmasters care? ? I donhahaha8217;t think so they get comfortable with a sponsor because they donhahaha8217;t like to take a risk in possibly making more. they are happy with there checks LOL

Shap when are we going to do some biz I'm ready whenever you are

Juicy D. Links · 06-24-2006, 04:19 PM

i have caught a few myself and many others i have had "suspiscions"

i go by my gut feeling ....

btw my balls need shaving

Trade_Monkey · 06-24-2006, 04:21 PM

Shap, no need to defend yourself and twistyscash about this issue. Your program is one of a kind and rock solid.

Take care.

jscott · 06-24-2006, 06:10 PM

i think if a program can shave, they will shave (for the most part)

Worldnet · 06-24-2006, 06:22 PM

Some of the big ones shave the worst. You know who you are. I won't stir up shit, but as long as some webmasters think its ok, as long as they get a check, it will continue. I would like to see someone bring on a criminal investigation one day put a stop to it.

FreeFastHost · 06-24-2006, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

btw how do you catch them? Why not list those that you caught?

I still send traffic to most of the programs I've caught, one of them I send around 50 signups/day to and they're even my #3 sponsor to this day (been promoting them for 3-4 years).

Sponsors shaving really means nothing to me, what it comes down to is the money I'm making. I'd definitely rather send my traffic to a sponsor that shaves and makes me $3k/day than send it to a sponsor that doesn't shave and makes me $2k/day, obviously.

I've never really even accused any programs of shaving, I usually just say "hey, this signup wasn't counted" and they know I know they're shaving

I have no reason to ever expose a program, they'd have to fuck me over pretty bad for me to do it.

For the record I highly doubt Twistys shaves, I have close friends whom are close friends with you and I only hear good things ;)

Shap · 06-24-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeFastHost

For the record I highly doubt Twistys shaves, I have close friends whom are close friends with you and I only hear good things ;)

Thanks. Anytime you want to do business let me know

WiredGuy · 06-24-2006, 08:54 PM

I try not to think about the shave, I just look at my revenue per click and stick to those who make the best. Even if my top sponsors are shaving, they're still the most profitable. Its all about maximization of revenues.
WG

Choppa · 06-24-2006, 08:58 PM

if you guys are worried about shaving download the clix shaveware in my sig
and upload it to your server, it will tell you exactly what traffic you send and you can compare

Degenerate · 06-24-2006, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChargebackJoe

The 4 elements of the perfect shave:

1. Start a thread about shaving
2. Convince everyone that one is honest and does not shave
3. See as the suckers sign up in droves
4. Continue to shave their asses off while laughing all the way to the bank

See sig.

I think Shap said it right the first time:

"There are so many morons here."

Douche bag.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-24-2006, 09:45 PM

It's a hard issue to nail down.

MaddCaz · 06-24-2006, 10:26 PM

probably quite a bit

fallenmuffin · 06-24-2006, 10:27 PM

Any program not using ccbill... Why switch from ccbill to nats unless you plain to shave? Really whats the point? Nats, blows..

Martin3 · 06-24-2006, 10:43 PM

They're many creative ways to shave. Take the Braincash "Free Porno Free Porn" 2257 link thats at the bottom of every gallery. Or galleries that have the full URL plastered all over the place on the top of the gallery and only actual links at the bottom. Tour leaks, the "accident" typo in the movie/pic name that 404's to their 404 page.

There's a billion ways to shave without actually shaving

madawgz · 06-24-2006, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worldsex

I KNEW this pics would come in handy one day!!!

this is the new modified 5.21 ultra smooth shaver,

I think the images speak for themselves..

Pierre
(btw..if anybody wants to sell their site, contact me at my email listed at worldsex.com ;-)

funny shit!

Shoehorn! · 06-24-2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

Any program not using ccbill... Why switch from ccbill to nats unless you plain to shave? Really whats the point? Nats, blows..

I can think of many, many reasons. The first being tracking. The second being billing options. The third being more payout options. The list goes on. It is extremely moronic to say that a program would switch to NATS so that they can shave you.

fallenmuffin · 06-24-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

I can think of many, many reasons. The first being tracking. The second being billing options. The third being more payout options. The list goes on. It is extremely moronic to say that a program would switch to NATS so that they can shave you.

I'm not really saying it they are switching to NATS so they _can_ shave that was more of a sarcastic remark. My ratios drop with everyone that has switched from CCBill to NATS. That's all.

Shoehorn! · 06-24-2006, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

I'm not really saying it they are switching to NATS so they _can_ shave that was more of a sarcastic remark. My ratios drop with everyone that has switched from CCBill to NATS. That's all.

Ah, thats good.

I've heard other people say the same thing about the ratios after a program switches. But the important question is do you make less money when they switch, or just see different ratios?

fallenmuffin · 06-24-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Ah, thats good.

I've heard other people say the same thing about the ratios after a program switches. But the important question is do you make less money when they switch, or just see different ratios?

I never really totaled it up but right off hand I'm going to say less money or atleast it feels like that.

Paul Markham · 06-24-2006, 11:17 PM

We are learning how to run a paysite and growing steadily. From the beginning we I decided to pay out around 1/3 of the turn over to affiliates. If you dream you get more from any sponsor then I have a bridge to sell and any sponsor who tells you he pays more than 1/3 of his T/O to affiliates think long and hard about. Think about costs and profit.

Soon we will increase the 60% base on Rev Share, PPS has been a flop so far and maybe it's because we only pay $25 as a base. And here is your problem.

It costs money to build and run a site, content, programming, staff, hosting, advertising for affiliates, processing, offices, etc. all taking money from the pot. Yet affiliates demand more and more. At some point we will do a big promotion offering as much as we can to get more affiliates and more members. But it will only be what we can afford.

If you don't want to be shaved don't rush to the sponsors whose payouts don't look feasible and don't believe all the BS about upsells. This industry has one of the worse reputations for customer satisfaction. So how do all these sites upsell so much to so many wary surfers?

If you want to earn the maximum amount of money send your traffic to the sites that earn you the most per hour of working and not the highest % or PPS.

CumPacker · 06-24-2006, 11:21 PM

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Shap · 06-25-2006, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

Any program not using ccbill... Why switch from ccbill to nats unless you plain to shave? Really whats the point? Nats, blows..

That's a non experienced comment. Ccbill is not an affiliate program. They offer a free service. There is only so much accuracy you can get from a free service. Any company pushing large sales to affiliate programs will tell you that ccbill's affiliate program blows and makes them much less to affiliate programs.

fallenmuffin · 06-25-2006, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

That's a non experienced comment. Ccbill is not an affiliate program. They offer a free service. There is only so much accuracy you can get from a free service. Any company pushing large sales to affiliate programs will tell you that ccbill's affiliate program blows and makes them much less to affiliate programs.

How is that a non experienced comment? I'm not "pushing large sales" to affiliate programs per say. But I do a few hundred sales a month. And have for 8 months now. At the end of the day I perfer ccbill.

scotty2hotty1111 · 06-25-2006, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChargebackJoe

The 4 elements of the perfect shave:

1. Start a thread about shaving
2. Convince everyone that one is honest and does not shave
3. See as the suckers sign up in droves
4. Continue to shave their asses off while laughing all the way to the bank

See sig.

nice sad but true

View Poll Results: How Popular do you think shaving is with affiliate programs
I'm suspicious of everyone! You all Shave!	33	24.44%
I think more than 75% of affiliate programs shave	37	27.41%
I think roughly 50% of affiliate programs shave	30	22.22%
I think roughly 25% of affiliate programs shave	18	13.33%
I think roughly 15% of affiliate programs shave	12	8.89%
I think nobody shaves. What a great honest industry we work in.	5	3.70%
Voters: 135. You may not vote on this poll

06-24-2006, 02:43 PM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Business Poll... How many affiliate programs do you think Shave? Hi Guys. I had an interesting experience this week. I had a tgp veteran come by the Twistys offices. I gave him a tour and showed him how we ran our business. I was surprised to find out he was shocked that we didn't shave. He assumed all affiliate programs automatically shaved. Being a program owner that started out as a Tgp and Cj owner I can identify with the feeling. I remember always thinking everybody shaved. Then we started TwistysCash and I got to experience how affiliate programs work and since shaving was never even a thought in my mind i started to assume the majority of companies aren't shaving. As the program owner I feel I owe my affiliates the absolute best I can possibly deliver. Anyhow I was wondering what everybody else thinks?

06-24-2006, 02:45 PM	#2
blazi Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Closer now Posts: 4,321	If I had to guess, no less than half the sponsors out there shave daily, or have been involved with shaving in the past __________________ makingcoin.com - 100% payouts coinscuties.com

06-24-2006, 02:47 PM	#5
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	Dollars per click. I don't try to figure out what sponsors are doing, I just try to get the most out of my traffic. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

06-24-2006, 02:52 PM	#8
madawgz 8.8.8.8 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noordermarkt Posts: 30,509	im not going to callout the sponsor, but one of them shaves 1 in 6....... __________________ TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.

06-24-2006, 02:45 PM	#3
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	I'm thinking about 20% shave or have shaved on occasion to protect the bottom line.

06-24-2006, 02:54 PM	#9
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	Most shave, about 90% I would say. I have a list of about 20 sponsors I've caught personally. As long as I make more per click than sponsors that don't shave, I could care less if they're shaving.

06-24-2006, 02:58 PM	#13
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I would have to say that ANY of the programs that are not like ccbill or something shave to some extent. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

06-24-2006, 02:59 PM	#15
poisson Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sea Posts: 6,474	Voted! __________________

06-24-2006, 03:05 PM	#17
ChargebackJoe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 356	It is not possible to be profitable in this business without considerable shaving. See sig. __________________ Buy PPC Traffic

06-24-2006, 03:16 PM	#19
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I dont know your program, but let me ask - could you pay $40 per $2.99 trials? Just curious __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

06-24-2006, 03:19 PM	#20
ChargebackJoe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 356	The 4 elements of the perfect shave: 1. Start a thread about shaving 2. Convince everyone that one is honest and does not shave 3. See as the suckers sign up in droves 4. Continue to shave their asses off while laughing all the way to the bank See sig. __________________ Buy PPC Traffic

06-24-2006, 03:30 PM	#23
Madcatz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: All your base are belong to us Posts: 204	they all shave, get over it

06-24-2006, 04:08 PM	#25
Worldsex Formerly Known as OkiDoki Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 331	I KNEW this pics would come in handy one day!!! this is the new modified 5.21 ultra smooth shaver, I think the images speak for themselves.. Pierre (btw..if anybody wants to sell their site, contact me at my email listed at worldsex.com ;-) __________________ Worldsex.com Al4a.com AskJolene.com Last edited by Worldsex; 06-24-2006 at 04:09 PM..

06-24-2006, 04:18 PM	#27
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	I feel the same way we use Executive Stats to show we donhahaha8217;t shave. And we keep our payouts fair. We might not pay the most or the least but we right in the middle. Our growth is taking a little longer but my goal is to build reliable strong business relationships for long term Do webmasters care? ? I donhahaha8217;t think so they get comfortable with a sponsor because they donhahaha8217;t like to take a risk in possibly making more. they are happy with there checks LOL Shap when are we going to do some biz I'm ready whenever you are

06-24-2006, 04:19 PM	#28
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	i have caught a few myself and many others i have had "suspiscions" i go by my gut feeling .... btw my balls need shaving

06-24-2006, 04:21 PM	#29
Trade_Monkey Traffic Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In heaven Posts: 670	Shap, no need to defend yourself and twistyscash about this issue. Your program is one of a kind and rock solid. Take care.

06-24-2006, 06:10 PM	#30
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	i think if a program can shave, they will shave (for the most part)

06-24-2006, 06:22 PM	#31
Worldnet Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 996	Some of the big ones shave the worst. You know who you are. I won't stir up shit, but as long as some webmasters think its ok, as long as they get a check, it will continue. I would like to see someone bring on a criminal investigation one day put a stop to it.

06-24-2006, 08:54 PM	#34
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	I try not to think about the shave, I just look at my revenue per click and stick to those who make the best. Even if my top sponsors are shaving, they're still the most profitable. Its all about maximization of revenues. WG __________________ I play with Google.

06-24-2006, 08:58 PM	#35
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06-24-2006, 09:45 PM	#37
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06-24-2006, 10:26 PM	#38
MaddCaz Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,483	probably quite a bit __________________ BigCocks.com - MatureWomen.com - Tranny.com - DrunkGirls.com - TeenGirls.com - MonsterCock.com and many more... Click here to see them all!

06-24-2006, 10:27 PM	#39
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	Any program not using ccbill... Why switch from ccbill to nats unless you plain to shave? Really whats the point? Nats, blows..

06-24-2006, 10:43 PM	#40
Martin3 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,529	They're many creative ways to shave. Take the Braincash "Free Porno Free Porn" 2257 link thats at the bottom of every gallery. Or galleries that have the full URL plastered all over the place on the top of the gallery and only actual links at the bottom. Tour leaks, the "accident" typo in the movie/pic name that 404's to their 404 page. There's a billion ways to shave without actually shaving __________________ 264-543-302

06-24-2006, 11:17 PM	#46
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	We are learning how to run a paysite and growing steadily. From the beginning we I decided to pay out around 1/3 of the turn over to affiliates. If you dream you get more from any sponsor then I have a bridge to sell and any sponsor who tells you he pays more than 1/3 of his T/O to affiliates think long and hard about. Think about costs and profit. Soon we will increase the 60% base on Rev Share, PPS has been a flop so far and maybe it's because we only pay $25 as a base. And here is your problem. It costs money to build and run a site, content, programming, staff, hosting, advertising for affiliates, processing, offices, etc. all taking money from the pot. Yet affiliates demand more and more. At some point we will do a big promotion offering as much as we can to get more affiliates and more members. But it will only be what we can afford. If you don't want to be shaved don't rush to the sponsors whose payouts don't look feasible and don't believe all the BS about upsells. This industry has one of the worse reputations for customer satisfaction. So how do all these sites upsell so much to so many wary surfers? If you want to earn the maximum amount of money send your traffic to the sites that earn you the most per hour of working and not the highest % or PPS. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

06-24-2006, 11:21 PM	#47
CumPacker So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 77	46.......