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Old 06-22-2006, 09:12 AM   #1
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Army raises enlistment age to 42!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102267_pf.html

It'll be 50 pretty soon.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:22 AM   #2
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They have been trying to get my brother to come back, and he has been telling them that he is to old. infact most of the people from his unit were to old. Now they will try again.
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I know of nurses and doctors in their late 60s and early 70s who are in the reserves who got called up.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:29 AM   #5
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move to Europe and you won't have to deal with this
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think about all the kids over in iraq that have been there forever... you think any of those guys are going to re enlist? nope... only a few of the lifers... if we get into another skirmish, we are in loads of trouble.. our military is over extended... what scares me about this 42 shit is that it means that they would raise the draft age if needed... and here i thought the chance of ever being called up was over....
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This gives all the chicken hawk republicans a chance to put up or shut up.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:33 AM   #10
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Is the Army hurting that bad for fresh bodies ??
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lol i wonder if they can be drafted too, probably not
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I'd be happy to fight for my country.

But not for a shitty war for oil.
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lol i wonder if they can be drafted too, probably not
There currently is NO draft in the states.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:38 AM   #15
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42 isn't old at all these days, as long as you're fit.
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I'd be happy to fight for my country.

But not for a shitty war for oil.
It is really the war to increase the price of oil. Worked good.
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they are crazy.
In Russia they enlist men with a child older than !!!1 month, with old, desabled and sick parents and pregnant wife.
But still untill 27.
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this is voulanteers?
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But not for a shitty war for oil.
you are so very right! this is not your war, not anybodys'
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what scares me about this 42 shit is that it means that they would raise the draft age if needed... and here i thought the chance of ever being called up was over....
they'd probably never try drafting anyone older.

there is a reason why their target demographic is naive teenagers
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If they can do porn at the age of 18, they can go join the army and die in the process.

Why you call them naive teenagers when they join the army, but appraciate chicks when they do porn at the age of 18.

That should be their call. not ours.

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they'd probably never try drafting anyone older.

there is a reason why their target demographic is naive teenagers
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They have been trying to get my brother to come back, and he has been telling them that he is to old. infact most of the people from his unit were to old. Now they will try again.
all he has to do is say hes been in n out of drug rehab for the last few years... and he founded a cult... etc etc
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If they can do porn at the age of 18, they can go join the army and die in the process.

Why you call them naive teenagers when they join the army, but appraciate chicks when they do porn at the age of 18.

That should be their call. not ours.
I'd say many of the 18 year olds in this industry are somewhat naive as well. The difference being that in this industry being naive might cause a model minor embarassment at a later date, whereas in the other it is much more likely to lead to their death...

Of course they're adults and are free to do what they want (except for something risky like purchase beer)... however when asking someone to perform a dangerous job for very low pay, it's not productive to ask the most mature and experienced crowd to do that because they won't be as cooperative. Which is my point, they're always going to ask the most naive element of adult society to do that before any other.
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Well pickins is slim for recruits. If you have a felony on ya ya can't sign up. That wipes out two thirds of all the minorities and a good fifth of mainstream culture. You watch, we'll end up outsourcing military recruitment to India or China.
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You watch, we'll end up outsourcing military recruitment ....
you don't think those 'military contractors' the government pays are there to do construction work do you?

they're already paying private companies to hire soldiers of fortune for employment overseas

I don't know if they're hiring any foreigners to do that or not. it wouldn't surprise me though, the foreign labor would probably be cheaper
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Good for them. I really wish the Dept of the Navy would do the same.
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Depends what country. I know Italy has two years conscription and probably Switzerland and I'm sure there are others
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wake up, kiddo!

* Paratus World Wide Protection, (Website)
* 3D Global Solutions (Website)[1]
* Blackwater USA
* CACI - California Analysis Center, Incorporated
* DynCorp, (Website)
* Elite Security Corps
* Kellogg Brown and Root - Division of Halliburton
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* SOS Temps, Inc founded by former Navy Seal Richard Marcinko.
* Titan Corporation
* Top Cat Marine Security (Website)
* Triple Canopy, Inc. (Website)
* Vinnell Corporation

Yeah, I'm very familiar with all of the "Security Consultant" companies out there, but the initial post makes it sound like the US Military and Govt are hiring these companies instead of using their own personnel.
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Yeah, I'm very familiar with all of the "Security Consultant" companies out there, but the initial post makes it sound like the US Military and Govt are hiring these companies instead of using their own personnel.
" makes it sound " ... ????

Why do you think they are hired ???? To organize picnics in the Baghdad country side ???
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my friend works for one of those companies... i wont say which one or what he does, but put it this way... he is very very good at shooting rifles....

he is in the middle east as we speak "spreading freedom and democracy"

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* Paratus World Wide Protection, (Website)
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* CACI - California Analysis Center, Incorporated
* DynCorp, (Website)
* Elite Security Corps
* Kellogg Brown and Root - Division of Halliburton
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* SkyLink USA, affiliated with SkyLink Aviation [1]
* SOS Temps, Inc founded by former Navy Seal Richard Marcinko.
* Titan Corporation
* Top Cat Marine Security (Website)
* Triple Canopy, Inc. (Website)
* Vinnell Corporation
Dude, you're talkin' to a guy who lives in those companies. I have so many friends and relatives who run, work for etc. it's pathetic. They have their training facilities on family land. I am so sick of guns and combat and camouflage and special this and special that going back for over 200 years.

These security companies do indeed do good work where others fear to tread. Mind you the men and women who work and operate them are no fucking joke. Especially my cousins.

Not all companies are legit. Yet the proof of the pudding is in the warfare.

It's a scary fucking world. Yet as one cousin told me when he was training me that the best security companies you never, ever hear about because if people know they exist, they're not that good at being secure.
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" makes it sound " ... ????

Why do you think they are hired ???? To organize picnics in the Baghdad country side ???
I may have indeed missed something, but where did you read that the US Govt / Military was hiring them to do covert ops or indeed any missioning whatsoever?
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I may have indeed missed something, but where did you read that the US Govt / Military was hiring them to do covert ops or indeed any missioning whatsoever?

" covert " ..??? Who said covert, aside from you.

" missioning " ... well, I think they are there for something.. if it is not for the picnic, what could it be for?

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Looks like they are doing the job of the US troops ...

Basically, it is outsourcing... and this brings us back to the topic :

up to 42 years old, because troops are needed ... So if people wont enlist, private " security " contractors will fill the void .

Here is the cost rapport :

19 980.00 vs 200 000.00

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According to figures current during the active war a year ago, the salary of a soldier in the lowest rank who has one year's service was $15,480 a year - only a thousand dollars more than the average pay for an usher in a movie theatre in the USA. The pay for an experienced corporal of three years of service was $19,980 a year.

Meanwhile, the government pays private firms between $500 and $1,500 a day for the experienced military personnel they supply in Iraq. That works out to mercenaries who often earn between $150,000 and $250,000 a year.
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" covert " ..??? Who said covert, aside from you.

" missioning " ... well, I think they are there for something.. if it is not for the picnic, what could it be for?



Looks like they are doing the job of the US troops ...

Basically, it is outsourcing... and this brings us back to the topic :

up to 42 years old, because troops are needed ... So if people wont enlist, private " security " contractors will fill the void .

Here is the cost rapport :

19 980.00 vs 200 000.00
Maybe you are correct, maybe they are hiring private security companies. However, one thing that is missing out of this equation is that most (if not all) of those agencies only hire Honorably Discharged US Military personnel (and most want SpecOps experience). I just picked on at random from your list (Blackwater) and here are their requirements to even sign up for their Indoc Academy (which is basically like Boot Camp and SOI all over again):


# U.S. Citizen, proof of citizenship required
# Applicants must, at a minimum, have completed a four year tour of duty in the Armed Forces or its equivalent as determined by the admissions review board.
# Only those who were honorably discharged need apply.
# Applicants will be required to pass a physical fitness test prior to admission.
# Applicants may not exceed a Body Mass Index of 24.9% calculated using the National Institute of Health (NIH) formula.
# Applicants must meet eligibility requirements for a top secret security clearance.


So, the Govt (Military) is basically paying for highly trained US soldiers to be over there guarding it instead of some grunt just out of Basic.
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I may have indeed missed something, but where did you read that the US Govt / Military was hiring them to do covert ops or indeed any missioning whatsoever?
they do do covert ops... you only hear about them when they get caught... they are used for the purpose of being able to have blame placed on the contractor instead of the govt...

do any of you know how wackenhut got its start? it wasnt providing secutiy guards....
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Maybe you are correct, maybe they are hiring private security companies. However, one thing that is missing out of this equation is that most (if not all) of those agencies only hire Honorably Discharged US Military personnel (and most want SpecOps experience). I just picked on at random from your list (Blackwater) and here are their requirements to even sign up for their Indoc Academy (which is basically like Boot Camp and SOI all over again):


# U.S. Citizen, proof of citizenship required
# Applicants must, at a minimum, have completed a four year tour of duty in the Armed Forces or its equivalent as determined by the admissions review board.
# Only those who were honorably discharged need apply.
# Applicants will be required to pass a physical fitness test prior to admission.
# Applicants may not exceed a Body Mass Index of 24.9% calculated using the National Institute of Health (NIH) formula.
# Applicants must meet eligibility requirements for a top secret security clearance.


So, the Govt (Military) is basically paying for highly trained US soldiers to be over there guarding it instead of some grunt just out of Basic.
You can spin it as much as you want, they are NOT US troops anymore, not more than my ex is my wife ...

Now, for your moral endorsment ( and I really don't know why you bring this is your spin ... ) some do have morals and ethics, but some don't:


Feb. 15: Employees of a U.S. private contractor hired by the U.S. military to protect supplies say the brutality they witnessed against Iraqis led them to quit. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.

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There are new allegations that heavily armed private security contractors in Iraq are brutalizing Iraqi civilians. In an exclusive interview, four former security contractors told NBC News that they watched as innocent Iraqi civilians were fired upon, and one crushed by a truck. The contractors worked for an American company paid by U.S. taxpayers. The Army is looking into the allegations.

The four men are all retired military veterans: Capt. Bill Craun, Army Rangers; Sgt. Jim Errante, military police; Cpl. Ernest Colling, U.S. Army; and Will Hough, U.S. Marines. All went to Iraq months ago as private security contractors.

"I went there for the money," says Hough.

"I'm a patriot," says Craun.

"You can't turn off being a soldier," says Colling.

They worked for an American company named Custer Battles, hired by the Pentagon to conduct dangerous missions guarding supply convoys. They were so upset by what they saw, three quit after only one or two missions.

"What we saw, I know the American population wouldn't stand for," says Craun.

They claim heavily armed security operators on Custer Battles' missions ? among them poorly trained young Kurds, who have historical resentments against other Iraqis ? terrorized civilians, shooting indiscriminately as they ran for cover, smashing into and shooting up cars.

On a mission on Nov. 8, escorting ammunition and equipment for the Iraqi army, they claim a Kurd guarding the convoy allegedly shot into a passenger car to clear a traffic jam.

"[He] sighted down his AK-47 and started firing," says Colling. "It went through the window. As far as I could see, it hit a passenger. And they didn't even know we were there."

Later, the convoy came upon two teenagers by the road. One allegedly was gunned down.

"The rear gunner in my vehicle shot him," says Colling. "Unarmed, walking kids."

In another traffic jam, they claim a Ford 350 pickup truck smashed into, then rolled up and over the back of a small sedan full of Iraqis.

"The front of the truck came down," says Craun. "I could see two children sitting in the back seat of that car with their eyes looking up at the axle as it came down and pulverized the back."

"I said, 'Wow, what hit this car?'" remembers Hough.

Could anyone have survived?

"Probably not. Not from what I saw," says Hough.

The men assume that in all three incidents the Iraqis were seriously hurt or killed. But they can't be sure.

"It was chaos and carnage and destruction the whole day," says Craun.

Two of the men ? Craun and Colling ? say they quit immediately.

Craun, in an e-mail two days later to a friend at the Pentagon, wrote: "I didn't want any part of an organization that deliberately murders children and innocent civilians."


Errante says he also quit after witnessing wild, indiscriminate shootings on two other missions.

"I said I didn't want to be a witness to any of these, what could be classified as a war crime," says Errante.

Once back in the U.S., Craun ? recipient of the Bronze Star ? took the allegations to Army criminal investigators. The Army tells NBC News it's looking into the matter.

This is not the firm?s first brush with controversy. Custer Battles is a relatively new company in the booming field of so-called "private military companies" in Iraq providing veteran soldiers from around the world for various security jobs. Named for founders Michael Battles and Scott Custer, who are military veterans, the company quickly nabbed lucrative contracts in Iraq, where U.S. authorities needed firms who were willing to accept high-risk assignments.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6947745/
... more spin please.... no links, it is not good for spin.
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Old 06-22-2006, 01:09 PM   #48
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You can spin it as much as you want, they are NOT US troops anymore, not more than my ex is my wife ...

Now, for your moral endorsment ( and I really don't know why you bring this is your spin ... ) some do have morals and ethics, but some don't:


Feb. 15: Employees of a U.S. private contractor hired by the U.S. military to protect supplies say the brutality they witnessed against Iraqis led them to quit. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.



... more spin please.... no links, it is not good for spin.

Like I said, you may be right. As far as putting a spin on it, I wouldn't say so. I am a retired US Marine with a considerable amount of Force Recon (USMC "Special Forces") and SpecOps training and experience. Does the fact that I am no longer in the military make me any less deadly or less trained as a soldier than a new recruit just coming out of Basic Training? Of course not; I'm still probably more qualified than most of them over there. I see your point about them not being "troops" or current Military personnel though, and you're right.
But personally I don't have a problem sending qualified soldiers over there to help out (dunno about the hiring of untrained Kurd operators though, never heard that one before).
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