Trans Fatty Acids...The Real Villains

[Greg B]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat

What kind of society do we live in where our worse enemy is a man made compound in our foods?

This story is gonna get hotter as time goes on. Another case of putting out a fire with gasoline. It wasn't until January of this year that something was done about it. I say the companies that made a fortune off this shit should pay the medical bills of all the people suffering from their foolishness.

[Greg B]

The more I read about trans fats the more pissed off I get.

[notabook]

Well yeah, trans fats are essentially a man made plastic rofl... these fucks should get fined a shitload like the tobacco companies did. For years the trans fat peeps used faulty science to say how a man made plastic ingested in your body was better for you than normal fat. These fucks need to pay big time

[AmigoPorn]

I completely agree with you Greg B.
People should as much as possible replace trans fatty acids with essential fatty acids like the omega-3 found in salmon and other cold water fish.

[CaptainHowdy]

Fuckersssssss!!

[pornguy]

Its big business. And I would not hold my breath for something to be done.

[tony286]

actually high fructose syrup is the worse ,they can chart the growth of obesity with the grow of High Fructose syrup in food productions starting in the 70's.

[xNetworx]

Whats is the RDA % of TFAs?

[he-fox]

Eating fast-food = suicidal.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by notabook

Well yeah, trans fats are essentially a man made plastic rofl... these fucks should get fined a shitload like the tobacco companies did. For years the trans fat peeps used faulty science to say how a man made plastic ingested in your body was better for you than normal fat. These fucks need to pay big time

Fucking A!!!!

They snuck that shit in under our noses literally, knowing what the dangers were and are trying to skate. Fuck em'. They should pay for all the medical of all of us suffering from that shit.

Fuckin' asshole wannabe scientists!

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by tony404

actually high fructose syrup is the worse ,they can chart the growth of obesity with the grow of High Fructose syrup in food productions starting in the 70's.

Of course!

The problem is they stopped putting FOOD in our FOOD and it no longer became FOOD.

People 100 years ago didn't die from eating! We're the only society where the top 7 causes of death are from EATING BAD FOOD.

No, I'm not buying that tobacco products are killing us. I say it's due to FAT in the foods is why tobacco is fucking with us.

Same with cancerous tumors. Remove the FAT and the tumor goes away.

[xxxdesign-net]

Aspartame is something else you need to avoid...

[notabook]

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Aspartame is something else you need to avoid...

While I would be the first person to agree that too much of anything is a bad thing, there are pretty substantial scientific studies to back up Aspartame being safe for human consumption. The only verified cases of people getting sick from aspartame are people who have phenylketonuria (PKU). They cannot consume ANY product that contains aspartame because it contains phenylalanine. People who have PKU cannot metabolize phenylalanine, which is an amino acid. If they continually intake aspartame or any other product that contains phenylalanine, they will eventually turn their brains into swiss cheese. For the mass majority of people, aspartame has been shown to be completely safe, even in fairly large doses.

Trans fatty acids on the otherhand were shown REPEATEDLY in scientific trials to increase the risk of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease. If you click the link that Greg posted you can see a lot of info on just how bad this stuff can be when used in large quantities over large periods of time.

[Choppa]

yeah just another big lawsuit in the making

[Just Mike]

Fucking bastards. I wish the punishment would be to fill their viens full of that crap and see how long they live

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by notabook

While I would be the first person to agree that too much of anything is a bad thing, there are pretty substantial scientific studies to back up Aspartame being safe for human consumption. The only verified cases of people getting sick from aspartame are people who have phenylketonuria (PKU). They cannot consume ANY product that contains aspartame because it contains phenylalanine. People who have PKU cannot metabolize phenylalanine, which is an amino acid. If they continually intake aspartame or any other product that contains phenylalanine, they will eventually turn their brains into swiss cheese. For the mass majority of people, aspartame has been shown to be completely safe, even in fairly large doses.

Trans fatty acids on the otherhand were shown REPEATEDLY in scientific trials to increase the risk of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease. If you click the link that Greg posted you can see a lot of info on just how bad this stuff can be when used in large quantities over large periods of time.

Jury's still out in the Aspartame camp from where I sit. Somethin' ain't right about that shit. Any artificial sweetner that ain't natural. Stevia seems to be a major turn in the right direction. Natural!

Trans Fatty Acids are sneaky because unless you know what you're looking for ingredients-wise, trans fats were used in everything from cookies to cakes and the companies didn't need to tell you shit.

Now millions are sick and dying because someone wanted to keep the cakes and pies on the shelf longer.

Basically vegetable oil goes bad. You add hydrogen and you get a more stable oil. Problem is it's LETHAL in the short and long term. Notice how people in Greece, Italy, Japan, China and other countries that DON'T use that shit they live full healthy lives?

It was a scam from the start and I've lost too many family and friends to this shit to take this lying down.

Originally Posted by Choppa

yeah just another big lawsuit in the making

Just seen this on google new this morning. Hopefully it's a class action, I've ate enough of their poison chicken over the years.

http://news.worldfitness.ca/news/061...healthyFat.php

[WebairGerard]

Lobbyist get to push all this shit past the government because they have $$$ and it doesn't matter if it's healthy or not. That is the sad truth. Look at trans fats, aspartame, fragrance, aluminum in deodorant, etc, etc. the list goes on and on. the only things we can do is educate ourselves to avoid this crap and bitch to your politicians to do something about it. Choice 1 is the only one that is sure bet.

I tell you though, it's amazing once you start reading labels and digging a bit deeper you really see what crap is out there for us to consume/use. Most people though care more about what they put in their cars than what they put in their bodies.

-looking forward to Fast Food Nation movie coming soon, based on the best selling book.

[notabook]

Originally Posted by WebairGerard

-looking forward to Fast Food Nation movie coming soon, based on the best selling book.

Let's hope to whatever respective gods we believe in that it's better than Morgan Spurlock's awful-piece-of-shit movie Super Size Me lmao. Although I do have to admit the intro song was pretty kickass to that movie.

"A Pizza Hut! A Pizza Hut! Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut! A Pizza Hut! A Pizza Hut! Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut! McDonalds! McDonalds! Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut! McDonalds! McDonalds! Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut! I like food! I like food! Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut! You like food! You like food! Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut!"

Lmao.

[WebairGerard]

Originally Posted by notabook

Let's hope to whatever respective gods we believe in that it's better than Morgan Spurlock's awful-piece-of-shit movie Super Size Me lmao. Although I do have to admit the intro song was pretty kickass to that movie.

The Fast Food Nation book was great. Hopefully the movie will be done well too. Super Size Me's biggest problem was that it was way too long. If that was edited better it would have been much more enjoyable. I mean he made his point after puking out the car window after what day 2 or 3!

[notabook]

Originally Posted by WebairGerard

The Fast Food Nation book was great. Hopefully the movie will be done well too. Super Size Me's biggest problem was that it was way too long. If that was edited better it would have been much more enjoyable. I mean he made his point after puking out the car window after what day 2 or 3!

Super Size Me was just a Super Piece of Shit. It was 100% propaganda lmao... he puked because the pussy couldn't even finish a burger. I always wanted to do a parody video of me pulling up and ordering, cut scene a bit, come back and me eating and getting sick just like him, me saying "I... I can't finish it..." then pan over and see like twenty or more burger wrappers everywhere. Man that guy was a pussy

[Quick Buck]

trans fats are becoming more widely known as evil, starting i believe in 2006 the labeling requirements for foods will require that they list the trans fat % in the same way that they currently have to list things like sodium, cholesterol and sugar on the big white label.

evil evil shit that these companies put in your food.

[Tom_PM]

Real, whole foods are good. Growing your own is better

Bill Maher rants about the food in the U.S. all the time doesnt he? I dont get HBO, but whenever I catch him on some other show he mentions his stance on it.

[Tom_PM]

At least we have the marketing machine working. What I mean is, the food companies always jump quick on the healthy tip of the day.. The lays potato chips I bought for instance are marketed with a fancy graphic of "0% TRANS FATS!"

So look for that sort of thing.

"Enriched" is another one that'll fool ya. Enriching means that in the processing, all the GOOD stuff was lost from the food, so they "enrich" it by putting SOMEthing back in. It's never ever as good as non-enriched, normal food.

[Pleasurepays]

Hello People!?!?!?... trans fats are hydrogenated oils are primarily found in food you shouldn't be eating anyway.... sue the government? why not just sue them because you didn't eat whole, natural foods? sue them for not making you eat more apples or carrots. sue them because you didn't finish your peas when you were 6.

[MattO]

When my family shops, we don't buy anything with trans fat on the nutritional label, and if there's not a listing for it we don't get it either.

Also if people cook more instead of going the quick and easy microwavable prepared foods route, that would help immensely.

People often comment on how I'm thin and I believe the only reason is that I don't eat crap food, I prepare my family's meals from scratch. (Mr Mom heheh)

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by notabook

Super Size Me was just a Super Piece of Shit. It was 100% propaganda lmao... he puked because the pussy couldn't even finish a burger. I always wanted to do a parody video of me pulling up and ordering, cut scene a bit, come back and me eating and getting sick just like him, me saying "I... I can't finish it..." then pan over and see like twenty or more burger wrappers everywhere. Man that guy was a pussy

i thought it was ok until i saw a few episodes of that show he did afterwards "30 days" or whatever it was called. it was supposed to more or less be a documentary about being in different situations for 30 days (i.e. try to live on minimum wage for 30 days) ... but it was 100% fake and staged every step of the way and it didn't take long to see that the real purpose in each episode was to construct everything in such a way to make a political statement on each issue. wasn't surprising that it was quickly cancelled.

[notabook]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Hello People!?!?!?... trans fats are hydrogenated oils are primarily found in food you shouldn't be eating anyway.... sue the government? why not just sue them because you didn't eat whole, natural foods? sue them for not making you eat more apples or carrots. sue them because you didn't finish your peas when you were 6.

That's not exactly why they want to sue... it's because of the many trials done on trans-fats, many of them showed direct proof that trans fat was overly dangerous for human consumption and they did nothing to stop the selling of the products. It's essentially the same thing that happened with the tobacco company and it's just a matter of time before it happens because of trans-fat. Anyways, it won't be the gov. that they sue, it'll be the gov. that sues various manufacturers of food products that contained trans fat if they think they have a case on their hands.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i thought it was ok until i saw a few episodes of that show he did afterwards "30 days" or whatever it was called. it was supposed to more or less be a documentary about being in different situations for 30 days (i.e. try to live on minimum wage for 30 days) ... but it was 100% fake and staged every step of the way and it didn't take long to see that the real purpose in each episode was to construct everything in such a way to make a political statement on each issue. wasn't surprising that it was quickly cancelled.

No it wasn't fake, or cancelled. New episodes are coming.

http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/orig...days/main.html

Was there a news report, expose or something where it was all found to be fake, or is that just your political statement?

[jonsmith12]

good work man

[jonsmith12]

nice post man

[jonsmith12]

plz post more dude

[jonsmith12]

The Fast Food Nation book was great. Hopefully the movie will be done well too. Super Size Me's biggest problem was that it was way too long. If that was edited better it would have been much more enjoyable. I mean he made his point after puking out the car window after what day 2 or 3!
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[jonsmith12]

That's not exactly why they want to sue... it's because of the many trials done on trans-fats, many of them showed direct proof that trans fat was overly dangerous for human consumption and they did nothing to stop the selling of the products. It's essentially the same thing that happened with the tobacco company and it's just a matter of time before it happens because of trans-fat. Anyways, it won't be the gov. that they sue, it'll be the gov. that sues various manufacturers of food products that contained trans fat if they think they have a case on their hands.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by notabook

That's not exactly why they want to sue... it's because of the many trials done on trans-fats, many of them showed direct proof that trans fat was overly dangerous for human consumption and they did nothing to stop the selling of the products. It's essentially the same thing that happened with the tobacco company and it's just a matter of time before it happens because of trans-fat. Anyways, it won't be the gov. that they sue, it'll be the gov. that sues various manufacturers of food products that contained trans fat if they think they have a case on their hands.

its one thing for a company to sell arsenic as a sweetner and get a seal of approval in spite of a pile of dead bodies and everyones awareness of the dangers... but we are talking about something that no one should be eating... ever (unless its the trace amounts that occur naturally). almost all trans-fats and hydrogenate oils that are consumed come from fried and deep fried foods. we live in a county of deep fried food eating sloths and its an embarassment. people need to be held accountable. parents need to be held accountable. people who lived their whole lives as a sloppy pig, eating shit food who suddenly find their body failing in every way possible should be held accountable.

you think the government is going to sue the food processing industry for this? the same government that allows kids at schools to eat nothing but french fries and coke for breakfast and lunch? the same government that allows some schools to have a Mcdonalds inside them? thats highly doubtful.

i have a HUGE problem with people eating like shit and basically eating themselves to death and then trying to blame the government... that doesn't help the problem go away. what would help the problem go away would be the collapse of the fast food and processed foods industries... not forcing them to replace one type of useless, unhealthy, artery clogging fat that might cause cancer with another that might cause less cancer.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Hello People!?!?!?... trans fats are hydrogenated oils are primarily found in food you shouldn't be eating anyway.... sue the government? why not just sue them because you didn't eat whole, natural foods? sue them for not making you eat more apples or carrots. sue them because you didn't finish your peas when you were 6.

I couldn't agree with you more EXCEPT when the data regarding trans fats harm was suppressed and evaded it allowed them to be introduced into the food chain in a very deceptive way just to make money.

What average person knows what 'partially hydrogenated oil' means?

The devestation these substances have caused is unparalelled. We need to make a stand.

I say the companies that shoved this shit at us should pay for all the health care of all the people suffering from it. That'd save the companies' money and the U.S. too.

[notabook]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

stuff

That is absolutely correct! We shouldn?t be eating it. Nor should we be smoking! For decades the tobacco company LIED about their products hazardous materials and the threat from tobacco. Because of tobacco?s crimes against humanity, they got their asses kicked and no longer reined supreme like they once did. Sure they still sell a shitload of their deadly product, but at least now people are aware of the danger even though they are still addictive. The same thing will come to pass about trans-fats in the foods we ate. The companies that make these deadly products have done nothing to warn us about their products. They are nothing more than big tobacco rehashed in a new form.

The government sued big tobacco. This is no different. All it will take is a bit of time. You?ll see the lawsuits within a decade my friend. And when it does maybe fast food giants like their tobacco counterparts will finally be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

[Tdog]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Its big business. And I would not hold my breath for something to be done.

Yup and only in America.

[Manowar]

lawsuits waiting to happen

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

No it wasn't fake, or cancelled. New episodes are coming.

http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/orig...days/main.html

Was there a news report, expose or something where it was all found to be fake, or is that just your political statement?

give me a break... he does one show where he lives with his wife on minimum wage for example. they struggle. its terrible... his cousins come for a visit and of course its one of their birthdays and they have to spend money on entertainment, then he gets hurt and needs health care. the then his girlfriend or wife gets hurt and needs medical help blah blah blah... they go through this impossible set of coincidences to prove a point. it was absolutely staged. he "hurt" his wrist by shoveling dirt with a landscaper and "couldn't work" for a few days... AND had to pay medical bills as if he might have had cancer in his wrist and HAD to go to the hospital. same with his wife. i can't remember all the other fake siuations that happened on that show.


he does another show on "steroids"... where a guy takes some testosterone and growth hormone to "lose weight" and the doctor gives him a massive list of supplements to take. first of all, growth hormone has no initial benifits unless you are taking it in massive quantities.. he was using less than 1 i.u. a day of what was probably shitty GH to begin with. Fat loss and other benefits do not happen in the short term unless you are well over 2 i.u.'s. otherwise any benefits they are looking for (weight loss, increased muscle mass) do not begin to happen for 3-6 months if at all. so that part and "30 days" was a joke to anyone that knows anything about it. second, testosterone -- he was only injecting 100mg per week (they did not say which of the many compounds it was) - which quite possibly might not have had any effect either in the short term.

thirdly, his supplments.

after drawing constant and endless attention to his wifes concerns that he was going to hurt himself (no proof that small, supplementary doses of test or growth hormone are anything but helpful) and being very careful to set up constant suspense with her bullshit - they go to the doctor to check his liver values among other things - which is something that the testosterone and growth hormone will NOT INFLUENCE IN ANY WAY because neither pass through the liver - again, another fake, bs set up. So his liver values are elevated, his wife is freaking out etc. this is something that they all should have known could not happen from the test/growth hormone. and obviously the doctor knew this.... yet everyone is in shock.

so... he did not take any vitamins or supplements EVER, then suddenly is taking two fistfuls of pills and his liver has to adapt to that. something the doctor pretended that prescribed them seemed to know nothing about (obviously footage was edited where he discussed this)

it was the same thing again... 2 anabolic steriods in low doses, one of which is guaranteed to have 0 effect in 30 days, one which might have no effect in 30 days (depending on what it was) - infused with endless footage of his wife freaking out because she was ignorant and stupid and couldn't be bothered to simply pick up a book and read or do the tiniest bit or research. then the issue of taking tons of vitamins and his blood tests which again, the doctor had to have known and they had to have known was the reason his liver values changed since neither the testosterone or growth hormone will do anything to your liver (its the stronger oral steroids that pass through your liver and in some cases pass through twice and have toxicity issues)... and most of the show was just misinformation, a poorly concieved "experiment" that had no basis in reality and endless footage of his wife in panic mode that he is killing himself with "steroids".

each show was like that... absolute bullshit, staged every step of the way and constructed to make a political statement.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by notabook

That is absolutely correct! We shouldn?t be eating it. Nor should we be smoking! For decades the tobacco company LIED about their products hazardous materials and the threat from tobacco. Because of tobacco?s crimes against humanity, they got their asses kicked and no longer reined supreme like they once did. Sure they still sell a shitload of their deadly product, but at least now people are aware of the danger even though they are still addictive. The same thing will come to pass about trans-fats in the foods we ate. The companies that make these deadly products have done nothing to warn us about their products. They are nothing more than big tobacco rehashed in a new form.

The government sued big tobacco. This is no different. All it will take is a bit of time. You?ll see the lawsuits within a decade my friend. And when it does maybe fast food giants like their tobacco counterparts will finally be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

i would be VERY happy to see all fast food dissapear forever. as someone who is in the gym 5 days a week, its very depressing to see that 95% of people have absolutely no concept of what proper diet and nutrition is. but i think that the bigger problem is just that. people are bombarded with 10,000,000 messages everyday telling them the wrong things. they are bombarded everyday with messages from a multi-billion dollar diet industry telling them the wrong things.

at the end of the day, people have to take some responsibility for themselves and they don't... this is a serious problem. they always have a reason to point the fingure elsewhere else as the source of their grief and that is what is killing people. not "trans-fats"

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally Posted by notabook

While I would be the first person to agree that too much of anything is a bad thing, there are pretty substantial scientific studies to back up Aspartame being safe for human consumption. The only verified cases of people getting sick from aspartame are people who have phenylketonuria (PKU). They cannot consume ANY product that contains aspartame because it contains phenylalanine. People who have PKU cannot metabolize phenylalanine, which is an amino acid. If they continually intake aspartame or any other product that contains phenylalanine, they will eventually turn their brains into swiss cheese. For the mass majority of people, aspartame has been shown to be completely safe, even in fairly large doses.

Have you looked for conflict of interest in those studies? The methods of those studies have been strongly questionned.. and many researchers do think that aspartame is dangerous... Eat it as you wish!

[notabook]

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Have you looked for conflict of interest in those studies? The methods of those studies have been strongly questionned.. and many researchers do think that aspartame is dangerous... Eat it as you wish!

My entire family (and extended family) have been drinking diet citrus drop religiously for well over a decade now. Around fifteen total of us, plus a few friends, love the stuff. None of us have ever gotten worse from drinking it (and when I say drink it religiously I don't just mean a glass or two a day, we each drink at least a 2-liter of the stuff a day). Regardless, I have looked at the scientific studies and it overwhelmingly shows that it is safe for human consumption minus those with PKU. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

give me a break...

each show was like that... absolute bullshit, staged every step of the way and constructed to make a political statement.

Ok, so your opinion is that it's fake because you just dont believe it. Thats cool, everyone has an opinion

I found the minimum wage show to be absolutely believable and accurate. It doesnt take a scientist to know that $5.25 an hour, for 40 hours, does not give you a large savings to have 2 emergency room visits within 30 days and not have a severe impact on your finances. Point was made easily. One emergency room visit was $500 for the uninsured. And thats just walking in the door money.

And he used his niece and nephew to illustrate that a typical family with kids has it even tougher. As you might remember, he only spent like $10 on them at one store, and his wife gave him hell for it because their finances were so tight. That happens all the time in real life dont you think?

What were they supposed to film? Should he have gone to a local tv station with his resume and gotten a high paying consultant job for 30 days? What would that have shown about the countries typical minimum wage earner? *that* would have been staged IMHO

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Ok, so your opinion is that it's fake because you just dont believe it. Thats cool, everyone has an opinion

I found the minimum wage show to be absolutely believable and accurate. It doesnt take a scientist to know that $5.25 an hour, for 40 hours, does not give you a large savings to have 2 emergency room visits within 30 days and not have a severe impact on your finances. Point was made easily. One emergency room visit was $500 for the uninsured. And thats just walking in the door money.

And he used his niece and nephew to illustrate that a typical family with kids has it even tougher. As you might remember, he only spent like $10 on them at one store, and his wife gave him hell for it because their finances were so tight. That happens all the time in real life dont you think?

What were they supposed to film? Should he have gone to a local tv station with his resume and gotten a high paying consultant job for 30 days? What would that have shown about the countries typical minimum wage earner? *that* would have been staged IMHO

you seem to be missing the point... i am not saying that it was not "accurate" in terms of medical costs, living expenses etc. ANY CLOWN can understand that if two adults HAD to live on minimum wage (which they dont for any real period of time), that life would be difficult and barely survive. it wasn't a must that he had to go to the doctor for his supposed "wrist injury". nor was it for his wife her "cold". it definately wasn't something to prevent him from working and convienently cause lost wages. it wasn't a must that they take care of their neices/nephews while filming a show about trying to live in absolute poverty. it was a perfect coincidence that one was having a birthday which warranted celebrating with lunch and a movie and put them back in the red fnancially... the list goes on. it was staged every step of the way and done in a way to make a Michael Moore type political point. pure and simple.

[Matt 26z]

What we really need are fast food places that serve up healthy food that tastes good.

I don't think people eat at McDonalds and Burger King because they love the food. It's just to save time. If Whole Foods were to open a chain of drive thrus that could compete with McDonalds in taste and price, people would eat there.

[CumPacker]

46........

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you seem to be missing the point... i am not saying that it was not "accurate" in terms of medical costs, living expenses etc. ANY CLOWN can understand that if two adults HAD to live on minimum wage (which they dont for any real period of time), that life would be difficult and barely survive. it wasn't a must that he had to go to the doctor for his supposed "wrist injury". nor was it for his wife her "cold". it definately wasn't something to prevent him from working and convienently cause lost wages. it wasn't a must that they take care of their neices/nephews while filming a show about trying to live in absolute poverty. it was a perfect coincidence that one was having a birthday which warranted celebrating with lunch and a movie and put them back in the red fnancially... the list goes on. it was staged every step of the way and done in a way to make a Michael Moore type political point. pure and simple.

I remember president bushes quote about moore, "If I want to see a work of fiction, I'll watch Shrek 2".

My point was that the message is the important thing, not the messenger or delivery of the message.

If I immediately discounted every attempt to get a point across because I distrust someone or someones motives, well.. I would ignore everything that comes out of the mouths of most people in high office.

But thats not very smart if I want to actually learn something, and see something from someone elses point of view.

And setting all of that aside, if "30 days" is poitically motivated but accurately portrays a certain set of circumstances and illustrates a need to change.. what difference does it make exactly? None that I can tell. Minimum wage is too low for republicans and democrats.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

What we really need are fast food places that serve up healthy food that tastes good.

I don't think people eat at McDonalds and Burger King because they love the food. It's just to save time. If Whole Foods were to open a chain of drive thrus that could compete with McDonalds in taste and price, people would eat there.

I couldn't agree more. It's not being done because of greed and laziness.

More fat and salt and sugar the better it tastes and one competitor is going to do it regardless of what the law says. The corporations determine the law through massive kickbacks and payoffs and lobbying. It's tough to enter morals and good sense when your opponent has billions of $ and you've got enough money to buy a Happy Meal.

[Greg B]

We now know trans fatty acids are a death sentence. If someone put poison in our food shouldn't it be stopped?