Bingo.

One vendor giving away free ice water... puts all other competing water sellers out of business.

Gates gave away free browsers. Guess what happened to Netscape?

Gates and Rockefeller also made money off a corollary to this rule. They bought or ruined competitors, leaving only their monopoly standing.

Then, they raised prices.

I limit the number of pictures / movies I allow people to see all the time. I put 16 pics on a gallery, I don't expect surfers to click on every pic, in sequence.

Five pics is generally enough, and I don't receive any complaints about it.

How do you track from a free site if the guy bought though? You'd need to carry some kind of information from your free site to the sponsor and even the buy page?
WG

I understand your point its the same old answer all the time!

If sponsors pulled hosted galleries and free sites had to pay they would focus more on converting the traffic then housing it.:2 cents:

I'm just giving examples of ways to profit from our free porn situation

Its so easy for people to bitch but how about some constuctive ideas..
This is the problem most like the easy way out and that bitch like women:1orglaugh not saying you are just in general.

Dammit WG stop putting holes in my ideas and help me fill them LOL

Maybe it would be a click through ratio to sponsors more then a tracking a sale? look for productive surfers not free loaders for life. these are the guys we need to put a choke hold on. then trust me they will pay we all need to relieve our blue balls:winkwink:

MikeAI..

I remember when I was surfer and amateur index would piss me off for not showing the goods..

so I signed up.. hahahahahaha

If you have a wife your satill paying for it:1orglaugh we all do one way or another..Even women know how to get what they want with the golden ticket/Pussy

It won't work. Many tgp and mgp owners don't care about how much they make, but how many visitors they have and their bookmarkers. Some of them would probaly even visit their bookmarkers at home and help them clean up after they have jacked off.

I agree with you on that, but why did they do it. Was it for a legal reason or did they see better conversions because of it. Haven't seen anyone saying bangbros is converting much better these days with the softer tours.

Bumping this great brainstorming thread.

Good job Roger.

GFY need more of these business talk than just posting pics :thumbsup

wojbot or me?.................me:thumbsup

We have soft tours and we convert amazing probably better then Bang bros:2 cents:

Finally someone with a clue, The Hun would not have a dime if it was not for YOUR CONTENT. Why should he make millions while you make a few thousand. Quit sending that dude all your shit, you're just serving death to your own site. Fuck AL4A worldporn Too, who now shits on your galleries when you have more than ONE link to your tour. FUCK EM ALL, take all FREE PORN AWAY

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anytime one of these ideas come up, there seems to be no shortage of people insisting that the best way to make money is to give as much away for free as possible and nothing will ever change that... which is absurd

TGP2 was a good idea, why didn't it catch on? Not because it was faulty, or because people would leave sites that have TGP2 galleries (they don't), but because everyone started using FHG's and FHG's are mostly 15 or 16 pic galleries, if more sponsors would have TGP2 style FHG's then they would be used more often... DUH!

anyway this sounds like one of the better ideas I've heard lately. hopefully it'll catch on

There is an endless supply of free porn on the web. IT WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. The only thing that can be done is to start scaling back. Most TGP's have more free content on them than the paysites they link to. Which leads to the ever popular: "why would you pay for porn when it's free?"

The trick will be not only "censor" some of the content, but to scale back the amount. A surfer knows with-in 2 or 3 pictures if they like what they see. I would have to think that the most annoying thing to a surfer is being ping-ponged from site to site in an endless sea of porn only to be "traded" around like a cheerleader after prom.

Give them a taste and if they like what they see they will buy.

People are not stupid, (contrary to many studies and observations :winkwink: ) -when they see what they want they pay for it. :2 cents:

(this went a little off course - I'll re-post later :disgust )

Or ... Program owners can step in and actually watch their affiliates activities.

God called and said keep praying.

the top tgp's would have to set the standard but they might be scared since they already are happy with the money they make and dont want to lose a foothold on there positon which I totally understand.. Or maybe it will take all the programs to come up with a standard.

Either way I think someone needs to start a show where we can all come togther like a forum and figure something out so we all benefit

this is why I threw an idea out that might make some sense and was hoping for some gfy brainstorming

Honestly, in my eyes, if EVERYONE (paysites included) scaled back the use of hardcore images in tours, tgp galleries, etc etc, used a bit more text and simplified things a bit more, it would serve TWO purposes. It would tone down heat on the industry as a whole, as it would be seen (at some level at least) as a pro-active movement to filter adult content away from minors...

second, it would kick ass for conversions, and I think dvd sales would skyrocket too. Probably an impossible task at this point, and enforcement would be voluntary, but unless it's complete across the board it is a moot point.

is it?

if a few programs do it and do it successfully many of the rest will probably copy them

this could work well, hard to tell without trying, you should do it yourself and if it's effective you'll see more to follow. good luck with it :)

In the big scheme of things though TGP are a "quick money" type deal. Especially with the way partner accounts are brokered (not neccessarily a bad thing, that's just the way the current system works). They can only plan ahead for the future so far, since they are in effect riding the trends. Tgp is a huge crap shoot, what converts one week with certain traffic may not work the next week, they have to be quick on the impact as far as sales are concerned. Their numbers are more based on volume. When you are dealing with volumes, impact is a huge factor in grabbing a surfer's attention, and it just remains a fact that shock value or extremism works more effectively in a high-traffic volume sales media.

This of course affects their business plan, and at this point in the progression of things, for them to totally scale things back with the volumes they're dealing with (which is often brokered or traded traffic - therefore at a cost to them and part of the bottom line), they would be effectively cutting themselves off at the knees. Unless ALL volume tgps (and smaller ones too, for that matter) were to make a softcore conversion all at once, the entire effect would be lost. And any interruption in revenue would be intolerable in the volumes these people are talking about.

There's a whole lot more to an undertaking like that then just tgp, as well. Then you would have to factor in the good majority of russian/asian (beyond reach of prosecution) sites/webmasters that would continue to offer hardcore stolen content and steal traffic an dollars from honest webmasters/site owners. Too many layers too the onion.

Some programs do have success with this type of approach, and many have good reasons (such as wanting to preserve their content, etc) for doing so. It can help with conversions, especially if you have an excellent product (great content, well-branded girl, etc). As a whole though, especially for programs with a lot of extreme sites, the conversion won't be so flippant or simple. And also take into account the webmaster himself, who wants to make as much money as possible as quickly as he can (in many cases), he is going to take what sells fast and hard, and he'll rape it for all it's worth. He really doesn't care if that thumb has two 19 inch black cocks stretching an asshole as wide as the grand canyon, or a cute chick with a pearly white smile, at the end of the day he just wants his $$. It's as much about ethics as it is about business/numbers, and in a business like this it would be difficult to find many willing to change while their bank accounts are bulging.

for every problem there is a solution. Trust me it will happen when sales really go into the dumster but why wait. So many brite minds and we cant come up with solutions:1orglaugh

Even back in 1996-99 the average retention was about 3 months. but the conversions from trial to full were much higher. there wasnt as much free sites.

Free sites are a great way to generate traffic so there might be no way unless the gov steps in. then like you said it will just go offshore.

We are doing amazing so I cant complain I just see more gold at the end of the rainbow :winkwink:

you have some interesting ideas and you think outside of the box - keep searching and you evetually find the answers :)

The only problem I see with bringing us together is that people are very stingy/greedy in this business and fear sharing their knowledge with the competition. The pie is only so big in many peoples eyes

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Free sites are a great way to generate traffic so there might be no way unless the gov steps in. then like you said it will just go offshore.
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The only way I see "censoring" and less "free content" is when the 2257 prosecutions start - then it will be a whole different industry.

Actually I know the bubble will burst at some point.. it will either come to a legal head or a point of saturation and things will evolve. This industry is like a bucking bronco and be honest, it's almost impossible to predict where it's going to go. The pioneers of today are simply doing their best to help shape the path of tomorrow, but no one person can really say where it will go. Honestly I hope that things go that route. I think it would be better for everyone in the long run. We are at a crux in time where we really can help shape the direction of things, all it would take would be a few more people like you to help initiate that change.


I don't think it's impossible, but it will certainly be an uphill battle. You are correct though in saying that for every problem there is a solution. Look how many people said 90% of the industry would go away when Visa introduced their new chargeback ratio requirements? Sure, there was somewhat of a cull at that point, but for the most part the industry survived as a whole intact and thriving. We are an adaptable bunch. There are some absolutely incredible minds in this business that have already worked miracles. Pretty sure they have a few more rabbits hidden in hats somewhere. :)

Mainstream is even worse but they understand supply and demand and still come together to regulate there industry.. nothing wrong with wanting more in life.
We just need to come together with some common rules that might benefit all of us. what harm is in that?

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Even then you can't control what happens off shore so I dont think it will change the industy just the demographics of those involved

I'm down :thumbsup I'll be back in Tampa soon - I'll hit you up when I get there.

Great idea. It seems only feasable with a rapid change of technology or government intervention. Conversions would improve.