Why Porn no longer makes the money it used too... - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Rolo · 06-20-2006, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Like I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you need

.

Was not trying to be a smartass - I just thought you knew... sorry if it came out wrong way to you.... please forgive me

GatorB · 06-20-2006, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

Looks like you do.

Your argument made no sense, and now you act all uppity because you got corrected.

corrected about what? what was I aguring about? Nothing. Someone need reading lessons.

Anthony · 06-20-2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

corrected about what? what was I aguring about? Nothing. Someone need reading lessons.

Another one to school...

Please bring up any other suggestion of any other sponsor that has a site like pornotube.com

Once you do, we can discuss their merits.

Since there is only one, pornotube.com, we are discussing AEBN.

Please try to keep up.

GatorB · 06-20-2006, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolo

Was not trying to be a smartass - I just thought you knew... sorry if it came out wrong way to you.... please forgive me

No problem. No I didn't know. Someone was talking about AEBN, I asked why. If people want to be nasty I can't help that, but thanks for the apology.

Anthony · 06-20-2006, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

No problem. No I didn't know. Someone was talking about AEBN, I asked why. If people want to be nasty I can't help that, but thanks for the apology.

Fuck, sometimes the internet isn't the best way to communicate.

I took it the wrong way too.

My bad.

GatorB · 06-20-2006, 01:45 PM

nevermind

Rolo · 06-20-2006, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Anyways if it works like Youtube and as soon as some teenagers upload pornof themselves that will be the end of PornTube.

As you have seen with any other recent battle in this industry, then we are not an impressive group... AEBN has operated in this industry for years - they know where to hit

Hollywood376 · 06-20-2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazonby

7. No-one is prepared to make the first move because (horror of horrors) they may (or may not) have to take a temporary dip in revenue before the situation improves.

It would take a tremendous effort on all to accomplish this. The problem is, many people are too short sighted and think that by lowering their price or being the cheapest that they will get "all the traffic" which is untrue. All it does is force everyone else to lower theirs.

If we could convince every person that's hosting an image right now to go out and censor "the goodies" then you would see an increase in revenues. Of course, we are talking about millions of galleries, but if everyone started today...

And another thing, why haven't some of the "big programs" who have deeper pockets (we assume) gone to the lawyers who represent the RIAA and attacked GUBA and other sites that are letting people post copyrighted material. Hell, if the music industry can go after individuals for downloading free music, I'm sure the same applies to free porn. I can't even remember the number of settlements I've heard of by individuals to the RIAA. I think they go after about $3500 per individual, which is likely more than any surfer would ever pay in a lifetime of subscriptions.

GatorB · 06-20-2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolo

As you have seen with any other recent battle in this industry, then we are not an impressive group... AEBN has operated in this industry for years - they know where to hit

If they thought this was such a goid idea why only resister the name for 1 year. They couldn't afford the other 9 years?

Seems like they are uploading content from other sponsors. I also see a potential trademark suit from YouTube.

Rolo · 06-20-2006, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Kind of weird they only bothered to register the name for 1 year.

Heh - I just noticed that too... They have been working on this for close to ½ year, and they got the bandwidth and servers to handle an enormous amount of FREE content - plus they got their current business funding them, so they will not need outside capital.

Anthony · 06-20-2006, 02:15 PM

I also want to state, that AEBN is one of the pioneers in this business.

Ladies and gentlemen, please note that we are in business competing with each other.

AEBN is doing what any business model should do. Control the largest amount of business in it's industry.

FlexxAeon · 06-20-2006, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

...AEBN is doing what any business model should do. Control the largest amount of business in it's industry.

aye but it was stated earlier in this thread that people who don't pay for porn aren't our customers

sacX · 06-20-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

I've been saying this for years now.. And everyone just laughs and blows it off. we need some rules not just to clean it up but so we can all make more!

I have always said even drug dealers dont give it all away all the time..they give you enough to hook you then you pay..

regulations and anti-competitive behaviour very rarely work and it certainly won't work in porn.

Rolo · 06-20-2006, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

I also want to state, that AEBN is one of the pioneers in this business.

Ladies and gentlemen, please note that we are in business competing with each other.

AEBN is doing what any business model should do. Control the largest amount of business in it's industry.

True - this is not a charity, but a business... porntube is something AEBN feels greatly about, and they will use this to increase their marketshare. Just as if they bought GUBA (which actual looks tame compared to AEBN´s porntube).

Ex. ICM Registry also wanted the industry to change, and like the .xxx tld, then the money behind porntube is also plenty and very serious about getting what they want.

Rui · 06-20-2006, 09:54 PM

bump (...for one of the best GFY threads in 2006)

BoogieCFZ · 06-20-2006, 10:06 PM

Just wanted to chime in and say...

WATER comes out of every tap in america. In most american cities it is superbly clean, comes with free flouride, and is cheap as fucking dirt.

However, I'll bet dimes to dollars, that most of you good folks have bottled water in your home.

Even tho you can get it for free, or close to it. why?

Its the bottle. its the marketing. Its the packaging. Its everything that has to do with everything you're holding but the water.

That's the key for porn. If they can sell fucking water, we can sell porn, even in a see of free samples.

Its a matter of marketing, and there are some people out there who can market quite well, create big brand names for themselves that people recognize, trust, and want to purchase their premium, highquality water/porn from.

Nicky · 06-20-2006, 10:22 PM

this was a good read

wargames · 06-20-2006, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

this was a good read

I will second that
great thread Anthony

gandalfuy · 06-20-2006, 10:31 PM

that doesn's look good... not at all

ProjectNaked · 06-20-2006, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoogieCFZ

Just wanted to chime in and say...

WATER comes out of every tap in america. In most american cities it is superbly clean, comes with free flouride, and is cheap as fucking dirt.

However, I'll bet dimes to dollars, that most of you good folks have bottled water in your home.

Even tho you can get it for free, or close to it. why?

Its the bottle. its the marketing. Its the packaging. Its everything that has to do with everything you're holding but the water.

That's the key for porn. If they can sell fucking water, we can sell porn, even in a see of free samples.

Its a matter of marketing, and there are some people out there who can market quite well, create big brand names for themselves that people recognize, trust, and want to purchase their premium, highquality water/porn from.

nice comparison

Anthony · 06-20-2006, 10:48 PM

Thanks everyone for saying this is a great thread!

I figure once in awhile I can be in a thread without pissing and threats of violence.

Anthony · 06-20-2006, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoogieCFZ

Just wanted to chime in and say...

WATER comes out of every tap in america. In most american cities it is superbly clean, comes with free flouride, and is cheap as fucking dirt.

However, I'll bet dimes to dollars, that most of you good folks have bottled water in your home.

Even tho you can get it for free, or close to it. why?

Its the bottle. its the marketing. Its the packaging. Its everything that has to do with everything you're holding but the water.

That's the key for porn. If they can sell fucking water, we can sell porn, even in a see of free samples.

Its a matter of marketing, and there are some people out there who can market quite well, create big brand names for themselves that people recognize, trust, and want to purchase their premium, highquality water/porn from.

Great post Boogie!

If I can argue one thing it's this.

Water is a need, Porn is a want.

That is something to chew on.

devilspost · 06-20-2006, 10:54 PM

Anyone know where I can get a youtube clone script

I sense a flood of these sites lol

Nicky · 06-20-2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

Thanks everyone for saying this is a great thread!

I figure once in awhile I can be in a thread without pissing and threats of violence.

Oh dont worry bud, someone will come in here and start pissing, I promise

Mutt · 06-20-2006, 11:03 PM

porntube is illegal - the problem in this industry is nobody sues anybody - no legal chill at all - oooooooo the dreaded C & D email has arrived - their knees shake - not. GUBA can attempt to hide behind the veil of being a quasi ISP providing USENET access via the WWW - there is NO defence for what PornoTube is - so if your content ends up on PornTube you either protect and enforce your copyrights or get raped. And when somebody gets raped in this industry few care - especially if the rapist is a top notch guy at tradeshows!

The studios who provide content to AEBN were too stupid to make money with their content on their own - same with the dumbasses who license their DVDs for chump change through brokers like WWC - they happily take the peanuts and think of it as gravy.

Corona · 06-20-2006, 11:11 PM

No comment from AEBN yet I notice.

Mutt · 06-20-2006, 11:12 PM

i already see some webmaster named harleygirl has uploaded videos from licensed DVDs to promote a paysite on PornTube. In no content licensing agreement is that allowed - but brokers do nothing to protect the rights of the producers.

spacekadet · 06-20-2006, 11:17 PM

Youtube is spending $2M / month on bandwidth, and isn't trying to make money via advertising. They're hoping to get bought out or license out content a la VH1 Web 2.0.

I don't think an adult site could make enough from advertising to support the bandwidth of this model.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-20-2006, 11:18 PM

evolution not revolution

is this the RIAA????

at the end of the day content is the key if you got what people want and your product is better

you get the customer

biz 101

JOHNNY_BUTTHOLES · 06-20-2006, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilspost

Anyone know where I can get a youtube clone script

I sense a flood of these sites lol

you have any idea what those guys burn every month? like a $1,000,000 / mo.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-20-2006, 11:23 PM

on the internet you can get for free:

music
movies
legal forms and advice
background checks
daily news
streaming concerts
PORN

just about anything

and people will still pay for theese things if the purchased product is better then the free stuff

now if someone is giving your content away for free then step up to the plate and make an example SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM

may cost you but the end result is priceless

will76 · 06-20-2006, 11:39 PM

Free Porn Hurts Sales.... ???

Here is some inside information from someone who does well in this industry.... Offer a product that people can't get for free. Find me a mega site of girls getting nude and giving shows live on webcam. you wont. You'll be lucky to come across an ugly chick giving a free show on the net. There is nothing better then LIVE porn. Nothing better then interaction and telling the girl what to do and having her do it JUST for you.

BTW, if your site sucks and it is just full of run of the mill pictures and videos then free porn will hurt your rebills. but more then free porn hurting you, you hurting yourself. Your site or site you advertise for, needs to be interactive. Has to have live cam, or some type of interraction with the members other then just videos and pictures.

I LOVE free porn. Find me a place giving pictures and movies away for free and I will advertise webcams there and make bank. Sure, some people will get off to pictures and videos, most of these people are the ones that wouldnt have signed up in the first place. But for the majority of them, i'll let your movies and pictures get them all turned on, and when they decide jerking off to the same old shit isnt cutting it for them anymore, they will come to me and watch it live.

V_RocKs · 06-20-2006, 11:42 PM

Free porn sucks.

will76 · 06-20-2006, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

some people see the value of premium porn, some dont....but that doesn't excuse the vast amounts of porn given away for free. it's just plain dumb.

when any company that does mass production (lets say toothpaste) has stuff that doesn't pass quality control (ex : the copy on the box got printed wrong), do they throw it out into the street?? no, they sell it at a marked down rate (like to the 99 cent store) to at least make SOME of the money back.

our business model is fucked, plain & simple

You don't need a little sample of tooth paste to feel the need to brush your teeth.

Throwing porn out there and letting people get a little taste can take a person who wasn't looking for it, to someone who needs more now. Problem is a little taste is different for everyone.

Here's the deal. If there were no free porn out there cheap bastards would be jerking off to victoria secret and playboy mags. All free online porn is doing (99% of the time) is suppling the cheap bastard with a premium jo opposed to a lame one.

will76 · 06-20-2006, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

Such comparisons are ludicrous and in any case toothpaste manufacturers do give out free samples.

We are not selling something people have to buy and we are selling something visual, thus it is far more effective to show people than to tell them about it. That isn't to say everyone uses content in the most effective way possible, but I do not believe that any damage caused by free content is near as much as that caused in other ways. Not only that, but while complaining about free content is a lot like p*ssing into the wind, other aspects of our business can be tackled by individual sponsors, without the need for any consensus.

I agree with 100% of what Jayeff has said in this thread. the rest of you are missing the boat.

stop thinking the way you are and learn something from this thread...

will76 · 06-20-2006, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

I guess back in 1994 when the first paysites were kicking it for a fee, and raking in 1000 plus signups a day was all a fantasy, eh?

2 things have hurt moneymaking potential.

1. Smaller Pie

2. Free Content

I will concede that smaller niches that are not so popular with their own content that can't be found anywhere else to be an exception.

But even that will be going away.

Signups were easier way back because there were a higher percentage of people online to people selling it. Now you have everyone and their grandmaw trying to make money online. it's saturaited so the people who are not that bright find it harder and harder to make money because they are competing with people who actually know how to make money.

Honestly think about it, any idiot with a webpage back in 96/97 etc,, could make money. Now you actually have to have a little ability.

BTW, there has been free porn since there has been people getting online. People traded porn online since the ability to send it was created. free porn is not a new thing.

Nothing stays the same, except for the ability to make money. You need to learn how to stay one step ahead and make money off of every situation. Or people could bitch about something and give up... your choice.

Anthony · 06-21-2006, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Signups were easier way back because there were a higher percentage of people online to people selling it. Now you have everyone and their grandmaw trying to make money online. it's saturaited so the people who are not that bright find it harder and harder to make money because they are competing with people who actually know how to make money.

Honestly think about it, any idiot with a webpage back in 96/97 etc,, could make money. Now you actually have to have a little ability.

BTW, there has been free porn since there has been people getting online. People traded porn online since the ability to send it was created. free porn is not a new thing.

Nothing stays the same, except for the ability to make money. You need to learn how to stay one step ahead and make money off of every situation. Or people could bitch about something and give up... your choice.

Good argument.

However, today's industry, and today's webmaster ask for everything.

I came in in 98. You had to work to get your traffic and your signups. Back then, when I ran Netpond's Newbie board, I suggested this following. Tease them and sell them to a full membership. Do not give out free milk, sell the cow.

You cannot sell the sizzle anymore, everyone is giving away the steak.

The internet was built on free porn, back in 94 and up, paysites made surfers change their habits and pay for it.

The track now is sliding back to giving it all away, again.

Pornwolf · 06-21-2006, 12:14 AM

So let me get this straight Will, you are saying we should embrace this free porn movement and make it easier to get high quality, more than 20 minutes of premium video at a clip, free porn?

That will spur sales and keep the industry healthy?

Free porn is good?

Is this what you are saying? That if we can stop this we shouldn't?

Rolo · 06-21-2006, 01:12 AM

I think what will76 was trying to say is - since there is so much FREE porn at TGPs, then they make money on every other product except porn. Will76 is promoting live sites, so he does not fear when AEBN sets out to create a GUBA web 2.0. He will probably end up buying ad spots on it. While the studios will give FREE content to AEBN, which they then uses to create FREE services such as their porntube running ads to live sites etc.

Studio owners, paysite owners, and affiliates of today will have lost their main product - porn - to free services such as AEBN´s porntube.

AEBN is not in this business to make it better for anyone but themself.

Rolo · 06-21-2006, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corona

No comment from AEBN yet I notice.

Rui · 06-21-2006, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoogieCFZ

Just wanted to chime in and say...

WATER comes out of every tap in america. In most american cities it is superbly clean, comes with free flouride, and is cheap as fucking dirt.

However, I'll bet dimes to dollars, that most of you good folks have bottled water in your home.

Even tho you can get it for free, or close to it. why?

Its the bottle. its the marketing. Its the packaging. Its everything that has to do with everything you're holding but the water.

That's the key for porn. If they can sell fucking water, we can sell porn, even in a see of free samples.

Its a matter of marketing, and there are some people out there who can market quite well, create big brand names for themselves that people recognize, trust, and want to purchase their premium, highquality water/porn from.

That is flawed...I drink bottled water when the tap water sucks... (You can use your analogy here)

Plus I don't necessarily go buy bottled water if I know about a good fountain near me (once again you can adapt your analogy to this reasoning)

dRI-X · 06-21-2006, 02:09 AM

bump..nice issue to ponder on

Big John · 06-21-2006, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

That is flawed...I drink bottled water when the tap water sucks... (You can use your analogy here)

Plus I don't necessarily go buy bottled water if I know about a good fountain near me (once again you can adapt your analogy to this reasoning)

Exactly.

And of course if the tap water were undrinkable how much bottled water would then be sold? That would be a much closer analogy. Nobody argued that you can't sell porn. Of course you can. The argument is that the plethora of free porn makes it a LOT harder to sell than it used to be which is nothing but the truth. Were there no drinkable tap water, bottled water sales would go through the roof.

5+ years ago when it was hard for the average surfer to find a good amount of free porn without hitting popup hell sales were much, much easier. If somebody says different they either need medical help for their early stage senality or they're yet another newbie idiot.

vvq · 06-21-2006, 02:45 AM

traffic also converted much better before these pricks came along and started making sites full of sample clips. back then you could get rich with a banner farm. adapt or be left in the dust. it's gonna take more work and more money to be sucessful. the strong will survive.

Rolo · 06-21-2006, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvq

traffic also converted much better before these pricks came along and started making sites full of sample clips. back then you could get rich with a banner farm. adapt or be left in the dust. it's gonna take more work and more money to be sucessful. the strong will survive.

Please let us know how Traffic Gigolos will react/survive when AEBN and others start to give away Traffic Gigolos´s content FREE to their OWN surfers?

I´m all for quoting Darwin, but its not "the strongst" who will survive, but "the most adaptable":

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Darwin

It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.

Right now AEBN is betting that the strong and smart will be left behind by evolution, because history have shown that its outsiders who saves the industry - not the insiders

Tat2Jr · 06-21-2006, 04:12 AM

If you can't beat them, join them. I (OF COURSE) watermark EVERY single video I ever shoot (and photos for that matter). Not a single second of video gets off my desktop and onto the web without my watermark. Since I personally shoot all my own video that's even more important to me.

This isn't the first adult youtube type site to come around, and I've been posting 30 second to 4 minute video samples to them for months. I have seen a rise in sales off type-ins. It all comes down to content. If you have content that is exclusive, and is a niche then you can make it work for you. God, I'm gonna shutup... I've already said way too much.

Do I still wish it was 1997? Hell yeah, but since it isn't.... I'm trying to go with the flow, and make some money off it in the process. On that note... thanks for the pornotube link. One more site to work some sales out of.

Big John · 06-21-2006, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

Do I still wish it was 1997? Hell yeah, but since it isn't.... I'm trying to go with the flow, and make some money off it in the process. On that note... thanks for the pornotube link. One more site to work some sales out of.

That's exactly it. Of course free porn affects sales and in a big way. However, people have been bitching about it for years and it's certainly not going away any time soon. Complaining won't make any difference, instead you simply have to work with it and where possible work smarter. Those that do work smarter survive it's a simple as that.

Anthony · 06-21-2006, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

If you can't beat them, join them. I (OF COURSE) watermark EVERY single video I ever shoot (and photos for that matter). Not a single second of video gets off my desktop and onto the web without my watermark. Since I personally shoot all my own video that's even more important to me.

This isn't the first adult youtube type site to come around, and I've been posting 30 second to 4 minute video samples to them for months. I have seen a rise in sales off type-ins. It all comes down to content. If you have content that is exclusive, and is a niche then you can make it work for you. God, I'm gonna shutup... I've already said way too much.

Do I still wish it was 1997? Hell yeah, but since it isn't.... I'm trying to go with the flow, and make some money off it in the process. On that note... thanks for the pornotube link. One more site to work some sales out of.

I made that concession posts ago.

If your content is niched, ie. you, the chances of anyone finding anything like it is next to nil.

Pornotube.com reminds of working the newsgroups back in the day.

Tat2Jr · 06-21-2006, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

I made that concession posts ago.

If your content is niched, ie. you, the chances of anyone finding anything like it is next to nil.

Pornotube.com reminds of working the newsgroups back in the day.

ahhh... sorry... skipped the 2nd page of posts.

Rolo · 06-21-2006, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

Do I still wish it was 1997? Hell yeah, but since it isn't....

I do not see anyone arguing that we should do time travel back to 1997 - its used to show much things have changed.

If we continue to hand over content and traffic to the AEBN´s and GUBA´s of the world, who uses it undermine the industry, then we are not only headed for a quick extermination, but we are also going down in history as ignorant business men and women.

Ex. what would AEBN do, if they had to add content cost to their business model? How about if they had to police their own sites? Right now they avoiding these areas, because they know where to hit us. AEBN is big business with an intelligent management - they have planned this ahead, from infrastructure to dealing with legal issues... picture them in a few months posting things like "we do not know why our users keep uploading your content, but we will take it down, thanks for letting us know" - while they laugh all the way to the bank.

The things we control today are what AEBN wants to take tomorrow.

06-20-2006, 01:45 PM	#106
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	nevermind Last edited by GatorB; 06-20-2006 at 01:46 PM..

06-20-2006, 02:15 PM	#111
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	I also want to state, that AEBN is one of the pioneers in this business. Ladies and gentlemen, please note that we are in business competing with each other. AEBN is doing what any business model should do. Control the largest amount of business in it's industry. __________________

06-20-2006, 10:06 PM	#116
BoogieCFZ Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: HELP I AM TRAPPED INSIDE A CHICKEN COOP Posts: 341	Just wanted to chime in and say... WATER comes out of every tap in america. In most american cities it is superbly clean, comes with free flouride, and is cheap as fucking dirt. However, I'll bet dimes to dollars, that most of you good folks have bottled water in your home. Even tho you can get it for free, or close to it. why? Its the bottle. its the marketing. Its the packaging. Its everything that has to do with everything you're holding but the water. That's the key for porn. If they can sell fucking water, we can sell porn, even in a see of free samples. Its a matter of marketing, and there are some people out there who can market quite well, create big brand names for themselves that people recognize, trust, and want to purchase their premium, highquality water/porn from. __________________ I have a Porn Blog that's actually fun to read. Like it? Link To It.

06-20-2006, 10:22 PM	#117
Nicky Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,070	this was a good read __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

06-20-2006, 10:31 PM	#119
gandalfuy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Montevideo, Uruguay. Posts: 4,686	that doesn's look good... not at all __________________ I'm not back.

06-20-2006, 09:54 PM	#115
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	bump (...for one of the best GFY threads in 2006)

06-20-2006, 10:48 PM	#121
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	Thanks everyone for saying this is a great thread! I figure once in awhile I can be in a thread without pissing and threats of violence. __________________

06-20-2006, 10:54 PM	#123
devilspost Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa yomebe -at- hotmail Posts: 3,980	Anyone know where I can get a youtube clone script I sense a flood of these sites lol __________________ Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

06-20-2006, 11:03 PM	#125
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	porntube is illegal - the problem in this industry is nobody sues anybody - no legal chill at all - oooooooo the dreaded C & D email has arrived - their knees shake - not. GUBA can attempt to hide behind the veil of being a quasi ISP providing USENET access via the WWW - there is NO defence for what PornoTube is - so if your content ends up on PornTube you either protect and enforce your copyrights or get raped. And when somebody gets raped in this industry few care - especially if the rapist is a top notch guy at tradeshows! The studios who provide content to AEBN were too stupid to make money with their content on their own - same with the dumbasses who license their DVDs for chump change through brokers like WWC - they happily take the peanuts and think of it as gravy. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

06-20-2006, 11:11 PM	#126
Corona Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Third mall from the sun Posts: 2,185	No comment from AEBN yet I notice. __________________ I was looking for a job, and then I found a job And heaven knows I'm miserable now

06-20-2006, 11:12 PM	#127
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i already see some webmaster named harleygirl has uploaded videos from licensed DVDs to promote a paysite on PornTube. In no content licensing agreement is that allowed - but brokers do nothing to protect the rights of the producers. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

06-20-2006, 11:17 PM	#128
spacekadet Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 328	Youtube is spending $2M / month on bandwidth, and isn't trying to make money via advertising. They're hoping to get bought out or license out content a la VH1 Web 2.0. I don't think an adult site could make enough from advertising to support the bandwidth of this model. __________________ Adult Adworld Buy Traffic Sell Traffic

06-20-2006, 11:18 PM	#129
pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	evolution not revolution is this the RIAA???? at the end of the day content is the key if you got what people want and your product is better you get the customer biz 101

06-20-2006, 11:23 PM	#131
pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	on the internet you can get for free: music movies legal forms and advice background checks daily news streaming concerts PORN just about anything and people will still pay for theese things if the purchased product is better then the free stuff now if someone is giving your content away for free then step up to the plate and make an example SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM may cost you but the end result is priceless Last edited by pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE; 06-20-2006 at 11:24 PM..

06-20-2006, 11:39 PM	#132
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Free Porn Hurts Sales.... ??? Here is some inside information from someone who does well in this industry.... Offer a product that people can't get for free. Find me a mega site of girls getting nude and giving shows live on webcam. you wont. You'll be lucky to come across an ugly chick giving a free show on the net. There is nothing better then LIVE porn. Nothing better then interaction and telling the girl what to do and having her do it JUST for you. BTW, if your site sucks and it is just full of run of the mill pictures and videos then free porn will hurt your rebills. but more then free porn hurting you, you hurting yourself. Your site or site you advertise for, needs to be interactive. Has to have live cam, or some type of interraction with the members other then just videos and pictures. I LOVE free porn. Find me a place giving pictures and movies away for free and I will advertise webcams there and make bank. Sure, some people will get off to pictures and videos, most of these people are the ones that wouldnt have signed up in the first place. But for the majority of them, i'll let your movies and pictures get them all turned on, and when they decide jerking off to the same old shit isnt cutting it for them anymore, they will come to me and watch it live. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

06-20-2006, 11:42 PM	#133
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	Free porn sucks.

06-21-2006, 12:14 AM	#138
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	So let me get this straight Will, you are saying we should embrace this free porn movement and make it easier to get high quality, more than 20 minutes of premium video at a clip, free porn? That will spur sales and keep the industry healthy? Free porn is good? Is this what you are saying? That if we can stop this we shouldn't? __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

06-21-2006, 01:12 AM	#139
Rolo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 555	I think what will76 was trying to say is - since there is so much FREE porn at TGPs, then they make money on every other product except porn. Will76 is promoting live sites, so he does not fear when AEBN sets out to create a GUBA web 2.0. He will probably end up buying ad spots on it. While the studios will give FREE content to AEBN, which they then uses to create FREE services such as their porntube running ads to live sites etc. Studio owners, paysite owners, and affiliates of today will have lost their main product - porn - to free services such as AEBN´s porntube. AEBN is not in this business to make it better for anyone but themself. __________________ Surfmastering : a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery

06-21-2006, 02:09 AM	#142
dRI-X Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In A Free Country Posts: 372	bump..nice issue to ponder on

06-21-2006, 02:45 AM	#144
vvq Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TrafficGigolos.com Posts: 2,732	traffic also converted much better before these pricks came along and started making sites full of sample clips. back then you could get rich with a banner farm. adapt or be left in the dust. it's gonna take more work and more money to be sucessful. the strong will survive. __________________ SQUIRTING - LESBIAN SPANKING - TITTY FUCKING - WET PANTIES - MORE We offer free hosting, your own designer (works for free), and unsaturated content for gallery and free site submitters. Just contact me! E-mail: [email protected]

06-21-2006, 04:12 AM	#146
Tat2Jr Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sunny California Posts: 4,882	If you can't beat them, join them. I (OF COURSE) watermark EVERY single video I ever shoot (and photos for that matter). Not a single second of video gets off my desktop and onto the web without my watermark. Since I personally shoot all my own video that's even more important to me. This isn't the first adult youtube type site to come around, and I've been posting 30 second to 4 minute video samples to them for months. I have seen a rise in sales off type-ins. It all comes down to content. If you have content that is exclusive, and is a niche then you can make it work for you. God, I'm gonna shutup... I've already said way too much. Do I still wish it was 1997? Hell yeah, but since it isn't.... I'm trying to go with the flow, and make some money off it in the process. On that note... thanks for the pornotube link. One more site to work some sales out of. __________________ NICHE MONEY >> Ass Worship • Panties • Solo Teen • Pantyhose Serving up exclusive fetish sites since 1997!