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Just think of when the clones arrives... 100s of these offering every surfer on the internet 1000s of FREE hours of videos. And it will be the good stuff, because its the surfers who will upload their favorite porn movies.Originally posted by pornpf69
ZERO control for the studio owners, and affiliates - they have been thrown out by AEBN.
You thought GUBA was bad, then you have seen nothing yet... AEBN will not stop here!Surfmastering : a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
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I posted on page 1... this is an important thread. Everyone on here should read this
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some people see the value of premium porn, some dont....but that doesn't excuse the vast amounts of porn given away for free. it's just plain dumb.Originally posted by jayeff
when any company that does mass production (lets say toothpaste) has stuff that doesn't pass quality control (ex : the copy on the box got printed wrong), do they throw it out into the street?? no, they sell it at a marked down rate (like to the 99 cent store) to at least make SOME of the money back.
our business model is fucked, plain & simpleflexx [dot] aeon [at] gmailComment
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Why would people pay for music when you can get it for free?
Those fools over at apple and their idiotic "itunes" business wont last 6 months.I died.Comment
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When I was young, I used to have to jerk off to all the porn I found in the woods.
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Because "Mr. Speedy Gonzales" aka. the surfer... only needs 5 minutes or less to jerk off... something AEBN now provides to him for FREEOriginally posted by Dollarmansteve
When people hear a good music tune, then they will hear it again and again... when people have jerked off to a video, then they want a new one.
Do not compare "apples" and "oranges"
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you think itunes would have a chance if they didn't have RIAA + the whole record industry trying to shut down "free music"?Originally posted by Dollarmansteveflexx [dot] aeon [at] gmailComment
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Such comparisons are ludicrous and in any case toothpaste manufacturers do give out free samples.Originally posted by FlexxAeon
We are not selling something people have to buy and we are selling something visual, thus it is far more effective to show people than to tell them about it. That isn't to say everyone uses content in the most effective way possible, but I do not believe that any damage caused by free content is near as much as that caused in other ways. Not only that, but while complaining about free content is a lot like p*ssing into the wind, other aspects of our business can be tackled by individual sponsors, without the need for any consensus.Comment
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all of the above are still going strong and some are making a nice comeback....Originally posted by RuiComment
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oh come on now......"ludicrous"?Originally posted by jayeff
and if you think the proportion of toothpaste samples are in line with the proportion of free samples of porn, i should be kicking around old toothpaste tubes and boxes everytime i walk to the store. free samples are great, but the amount of "free samples" of porn is what's ludicrous, and is what the real issue is.
consensous or not, tackling the free porn "giveaway bonanza" would help to settle many more issues if you look deeper. complaining about it is pissing in the wind, but doing something about it is not.flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmailComment
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and then you see threads like this once a year complaining about how fucked up the adult online is...Originally posted by marketsmart
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That site should be taken down....I'm just a newbie.Comment
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sites like that will start to poop up...online free porn the Web 2.0 versionOriginally posted by tranzaComment
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I will agree with you that today´s businessmodel has much room for improvement, however how does Porntube improve the business model?Originally posted by jayeff
Or prehaps you also see this AEBN/GUBA take on marketing as a setback?Surfmastering : a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseryComment
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I guess back in 1994 when the first paysites were kicking it for a fee, and raking in 1000 plus signups a day was all a fantasy, eh?Originally posted by jayeff
2 things have hurt moneymaking potential.
1. Smaller Pie
2. Free Content
I will concede that smaller niches that are not so popular with their own content that can't be found anywhere else to be an exception.
But even that will be going away.
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There is a simple solution.Comment
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I think there are alot of people who have porn collections - they fall in love with a particular model, a certain fetish, etc. The people who watch the 30 second clip and jerk off arent our customers - they never were and never will be. It's slightly circular logic, and its obvious - but it's the people who are willing to pay who are our customers.Originally posted by RoloBecause "Mr. Speedy Gonzales" aka. the surfer... only needs 5 minutes or less to jerk off... something AEBN now provides to him for FREE
When people hear a good music tune, then they will hear it again and again... when people have jerked off to a video, then they want a new one.
Do not compare "apples" and "oranges"
Tens of thousands of people pay for porn every single day - and im going to go out on a limb and say that because of the increasing familiarity of conducting transactions with credit cards online and with the increasing quality of content offered for a price - that the gross number of adult-related credit card transactions in increasing every single day.
So, in actual fact, the 'pie' (gross adult revenues on the internet) is on a steep upswing and will continue in the future.I died.Comment
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Beside to stop supporting those who see us as the enemy?Originally posted by KristianSurfmastering : a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseryComment
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shit brilliant post, and to think about python's attiude regarding the "potential customer" in the past...irony?Originally posted by DollarmansteveComment
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Looking at my statement, it looks terribly pompous. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood to share but can't resist a comment. (I'm also waiting for dinner and low on blood sugar)Originally posted by Rolo
Put it this way, our blue-print for survival is already in effect, working successfully, and has been for a while.Comment
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Hmmm YouTube for poen? Well a if they uploading a regualr porn movie that's copyright violationand PornTbe will be sued. Secondly if it's homemade well that's another can of worms . How are they going to get 2257 info on that? What if some 16 year old uploads a porn movie of herself? I'm not worried about PornTube the feds wil take care of it.Comment
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Snakes are known for shedding their skin.Originally posted by RuiI died.Comment
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Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
apples and orangesLast edited by Phoenix; 06-20-2006, 11:58 AM.Telegram PhoenixBrad
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These videos are not 30 seconds anymore - we are talking about 5, 10, 20 minutes or more in good quality. You can fit an entire porn scene in there with no problemOriginally posted by Dollarmansteve
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or "the well dried"Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
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Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?Originally posted by RoloThese videos are not 30 seconds anymore - we are talking about 5, 10, 20 minutes or more in good quality. You can fit an entire porn scene in there with no problemComment
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Whatever it is, then just remember that how you roll it out is just as important as the idea... good luckOriginally posted by Kristian
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Youtube is still hereOriginally posted by GatorB
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I've been saying this for years now.. And everyone just laughs and blows it off. we need some rules not just to clean it up but so we can all make more!
I have always said even drug dealers dont give it all away all the time..they give you enough to hook you then you pay..Comment
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Also remember once AEBN have succeeded in cutting out the affiliate (biggest cost today) + content costs, then they can take a much higher bandwidth bill per leadOriginally posted by GatorBSurfmastering : a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseryComment
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There are economic realities, exactly.Originally posted by GatorB
There will always be business models that are built around 'free' product, but someone always has to pay the piper. Thats the great thing about free markets - they are self-regulating.
The existence of so much free content is self-evident proof that there is an economy to support it.I died.Comment
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Originally posted by jayeff
I think the idea would be a slight pullback and everything out there or maybe a crackdown of the free hosting and forums where you can get ANYTHING.Comment
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people still buys cd's would would free porn stop the porn industry?
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Were just behind music. How many people just stole music off the internet? And yes it still happens quite a bit, but Apple and other companies are making kiling off selling songs for 99 cents. See despite the fact it's very easy to get song for free on the internet people are still willling to pay for a product because they see the value of it. Of course suing music stealers helped in that cause.Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
Also it seems that some mainstream media is taking a cue from us.
"Disney says ABC free web TV a hit with consumers"
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...-DISNEY-DC.XML
And of course march Madness was streamed for free on the internet his year too.Comment
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Speaking of a circle, I think it´s not only a sponsor problem. Try to get a gallery listed with teasing content only. Unless it´s a paid spot (not a submit pass), you won´t have much luck with it. More and more content is required, some MGP sites require 6 movis per gallery.Originally posted by Phoenix
So if the webmaster wants to get listed, he has to use too much and way too explicit content - content where the surfer jerks off to.
This webmaster asks the sponsor for more and more content. It really looks like a circle.Comment
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what the fuck, that sites going to be huge!TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.Comment
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AEBN only pays the affiliate 20%. So it's not like they are paying $35 for a $5 trial and hope to get the surfer tonot cancell.Originally posted by RoloComment
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Have you ever surfed TGPs? They sell everything EXCEPT pornOriginally posted by Dollarmansteve
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larger than Yahoo?Originally posted by madawgz
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0% is still less than 20%Originally posted by GatorB
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We are doing this right now - in this thread... AEBN/GUBA etc. does not hold a patent on the future!Originally posted by vvq
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Then don't submit to that mpg or tgp, I refuse to give away hardcore for free. Shooting exclusive and running sites cost $$ that I'm not gonna give away.Originally posted by m4yadultComment
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So why is AEBN different that any other sponsor? You could say that about ALL affiliate programs. Paying out $0 is better than paying out $35. I would bet that for every sale I'm getting paid by other sponsors AEBN is making much more per $35 they pay. Not sure why you singled them out.Originally posted by Rolo0% is still less than 20%Comment
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Because AEBN owns and controls porntube?Originally posted by GatorB
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Like I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you needOriginally posted by RoloBecause AEBN owns and controls porntube?.
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Looks like you do.Originally posted by GatorBLike I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you need.
Your argument made no sense, and now you act all uppity because you got corrected.
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Anyways if it works like Youtube and as soon as some teenagers upload pornof themselves that will be the end of PornTube. Kind of weird they only bothered to register the name for 1 year.Comment
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