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  • FreakinWebmaster
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2003
    • 935

    #1

    :::: WARNING ::: Don't do business with this designer!!!!

    I just wanted to let all of you know not to do business with Kibitoff AKA Mister D sometimes Mister B and his first name is Mark.

    If any of you know of his name on other message boards, you can just let others know of him as well.


    First of all I asked for a designer a few weeks ago (the end of May) to design some galleries for me. I had a few designers design some for me already and had great business with them. Thank you Jayson at http://www.tenderdesign.com/

    I contacted Kibitoff and promised to have galleries in about a week or two, which would mean I would have them completed June 9th. I wanted to send half payment via Paypal or by Epassporte; unfortunately he was no longer to be able to receive payments that way. So I decided to do him a favor and send via Western Union which means a $25 wire transfer fee, which I did make him pay half and it was okay with that.

    As the weeks progressed I noticed he would not answer any ICQ?s, none of the emails and I simply wanted to know the status of the galleries. It was only 10 galleries to get a sample of his work which he claimed his site portfolio is: http://adultcreative.com/portfolio.html which I know now is Nick AKA ChewbaCreative.

    I later did a check and found that he was ?let go? from adultcreative.com in the middle of May. I gave him a scare that I would let others know of him and his business ethics and he finally contacted me last week claiming his internet was down and he would upload the galleries that night and email them to me but he lost my email address? So I gave it to him right away. Here I am still trying to contact him to get the galleries I already paid in full for, this was 6 days ago that he claimed he would get them to me. I am tired of bullshitting now and this is not worth my time. So I just wanted to let others know on this board and others. I did make other ICQ aliases and contacted him about design work; he immediately contacted me to start work for me and still claims adultcreative.com is his design work. So I know my ICQ and emails are simply being ignored.


    In summary:
    I paid in full for 10 galleries, and 2 weeks later still have not heard a word. He has done this to 3 other webmasters so far that I know of and he has been reported to different government agencies. He claims www.adultcreative.com is his site which he used to work for. So you pay him half or full payment, don?t expect to get it back?


    It?s not the money I am worried about; it?s just the principal of it?

    Thanks to Nick for helping me out and his great work that sold me on this: www.adultcreative.com

    I will now do better background checks of all types of businesses online and have not had a problem like this in the last 4 years I have been doing this. I suggest all people on here to check the background of others before buying.


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  • BlueWire
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2004
    • 4628

    #2
    This isn't Mark Osterholt is it?

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    • clickdude
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2006
      • 136

      #3
      fuck them all these mother fuckers are ruining the business, i wish they all rot in hell

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      • tranza
        ICQ: 197-556-237
        • Jun 2003
        • 57559

        #4
        That's fucked up....

        I'm just a newbie.

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        • MaddCaz
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          • Mar 2006
          • 9483

          #5
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          • L0rdJuni0r
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2004
            • 5883

            #6
            thats is very fucked up... i wont do any business with them. Thanks for the heads up
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            • djroof
              JuicyDevils.gr Owner
              • Jan 2004
              • 25505

              #7
              damn drama....

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              • pornguy
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Mar 2003
                • 62912

                #8
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                • xclusive
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 35218

                  #9
                  Damn that's shitty

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                  • tenderobject
                    Need Designs? 312352846
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 11688

                    #10
                    if you need help esp. promotools just contact jason or me


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                    • marketsmart
                      HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 20419

                      #11
                      i cant say this enough... get references and check them out....

                      its sad cause there are a lot of talented freelancers around here and other boards.. it too bad that a few scammers screw it up for everyone...

                      i have an idea... we should set up a website with freelancers that people have used and have had a good experience with.. a site with their info and references that can be contacted...

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                      • CheneyRumsfeld
                        Confirmed User
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 1341

                        #12
                        now thats fucked up

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                        • BlueWire
                          Confirmed User
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 4628

                          #13
                          Originally posted by marketsmart
                          i cant say this enough... get references and check them out....

                          its sad cause there are a lot of talented freelancers around here and other boards.. it too bad that a few scammers screw it up for everyone...

                          i have an idea... we should set up a website with freelancers that people have used and have had a good experience with.. a site with their info and references that can be contacted...
                          This is true about freelancers...but I dont know if there is a way around it. This is why professional firms will always hold a significant edge for guaranteed quality ...much less if they just dissapear.

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                          • dRI-X
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 372

                            #14
                            im sorry to hear that man. He is really a shit. were supposed to do business here and not to bullshit other people. i hope you wont loose hope in trusting people because there are more people who can be trusted and is man enough of his word that those losers. cheer up man.


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                            • giftedtwisted
                              Confirmed User
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 726

                              #15
                              Sorry to hear your bad luck in discovering a jack ass in the business, but then again jack ass and business tend to go hand in hand.

                              Hopefully one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch.

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                              • UtahSaints
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 1538

                                #16
                                designers are fuck heads in general. I had one of those send me template 2 weeks ago and then just disapear.. good thing I did not pay him anything yet
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                                • NoWhErE
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Sep 2005
                                  • 10583

                                  #17
                                  I know how ya feel man, I've had designers drop off the face of the Earth. Another would make 1 template for me, it'd be good. So I'd pay him to make 10 more templates and he'd just copy the sameone he made for me but just change a few colors... then bitch when I wasn't satisfied.

                                  Its hard to trust freelancers and I feel the effects of it from potential clients whenever I deal for my video editing work. Alot of people are hesitant and I can't blame them.
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                                  • Bake
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 5915

                                    #18
                                    Dose anyone ask if these so called gallery designers if they even submit galleries?
                                    You would be surprised by how many dont.
                                    If they cant show you samples on some well known TGP's why would do buisness with these people.
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                                    • cyberstar
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2005
                                      • 1263

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by marketsmart
                                      i cant say this enough... get references and check them out....

                                      its sad cause there are a lot of talented freelancers around here and other boards.. it too bad that a few scammers screw it up for everyone...
                                      exactly!.. and because of idiots like that, designers can't even get 50% down payment any more.. nobody trusts anyone

                                      see sig.. references AVAILABLE

                                      Originally posted by marketsmart
                                      i have an idea... we should set up a website with freelancers that people have used and have had a good experience with.. a site with their info and references that can be contacted...
                                      great idea... now make it happen LOL


                                      -star
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                                      • Ace_luffy
                                        www.creationcrew.com
                                        • Feb 2005
                                        • 12164

                                        #20
                                        that's a bad news then...........


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                                        • FreakinWebmaster
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 935

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by BlueWire
                                          This isn't Mark Osterholt is it?

                                          No I know he goes by another "real name" but everyone calls him Mark. I know his name because of sending Western Union payment to him.


                                          I have always tried to be careful online and seriously have never had a problem... I try to do someone a favor and get fucked.

                                          A simple "I am too busy to get them to you in the next week" would have worked... but not one email, one ICQ.


                                          I have a designer I love now and I will stick with him, I know of a couple other good guys on here as well.

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                                          • aico
                                            Moo Moo Cow
                                            • Mar 2004
                                            • 14748

                                            #22
                                            never pay for ANY design in full... end of lesson.

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                                            • Antonio
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 14136

                                              #23
                                              lol, I had similar experience with a guy named Mark, but I don't think it's the same guy since 'my' Mark sent me my money back, he couldn't understand why I was pissed off. I asked for 15 galleries to be made in three days, on the 5th day I had ONE!

                                              Anyway, kudos to the guys form http://cheapadultdesign.com/ - did great job for me and they finished the galleries a day before the deadline !!!!!

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                                              • mammy
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jun 2003
                                                • 2279

                                                #24
                                                thing is simple
                                                have u contacted the guy that is mentioned on their contact page? or just th e guy who shown the AdultCreative portfolio and told that he was done the work
                                                if u contacted mark and sent him cash then its not the AC problem cause u can read on main page
                                                mark has no relation to adult creative company

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                                                • martinsc
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                                                  • Jun 2005
                                                  • 27047

                                                  #25
                                                  that sucks
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                                                  • BluMedia
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 3973

                                                    #26
                                                    That really sucks guess that designer better go get a job at McDonalds because he probably won't be designing too much longer.

                                                    Mark
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                                                    • dRI-X
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                      • 372

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by giftedtwisted
                                                      Sorry to hear your bad luck in discovering a jack ass in the business, but then again jack ass and business tend to go hand in hand.

                                                      Hopefully one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch.

                                                      correct!!!


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                                                      • auronsite
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2006
                                                        • 128

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by clickdude
                                                        fuck them all these mother fuckers are ruining the business, i wish they all rot in hell
                                                        man you're right! "business destroyer"
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                                                        • Adult-biz
                                                          Service Provider
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 2139

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Antonio
                                                          Anyway, kudos to the guys form http://cheapadultdesign.com/ - did great job for me and they finished the galleries a day before the deadline !!!!!
                                                          Hi Antonio, thanks for your kind words!

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                                                          • scottybuzz
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • May 2006
                                                            • 14799

                                                            #30
                                                            dam u got me scared, im currently doing business with a mark and his url sounded similar, later check different person altogether, thanks for heads up though, unlucky for you.
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                                                            • Choppa
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                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                              • 4079

                                                              #31
                                                              thanks for the up bro
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                                                              • DaddyHalbucks
                                                                A freakin' legend!
                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                • 18975

                                                                #32
                                                                Sorry to hear of the problems.

                                                                It's good to have a board like GFY where people can recommend, network, and share experiences.
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                                                                • Itchy
                                                                  Datetronix.com
                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                  • 6525

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                                  i have an idea... we should set up a website with freelancers that people have used and have had a good experience with.. a site with their info and references that can be contacted...
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                                                                  • FreakinWebmaster
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                    • 935

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by BluMedia
                                                                    That really sucks guess that designer better go get a job at McDonalds because he probably won't be designing too much longer.

                                                                    Mark

                                                                    What really sucks is he might just create another username and be doing the same shit as before... Do background checks of the person from the previous 10 years before buying... Pain in the ass!

                                                                    I dont know anyone personally able to do that, plus how do you know they are giving you valid information? Not to mention, how cost effective is it?

                                                                    Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't.....

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                                                                    • xerex
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                      • 751

                                                                      #35
                                                                      here's a bump for you bro..


                                                                      too bad that mark didn't know how nice and easy it is to work with you...


                                                                      you don't deserved to be fucked up like this...


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                                                                      • Goose
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                        • 5725

                                                                        #36
                                                                        After weeks of waiting for my webdesign and paying 250$ in advance,
                                                                        after that he always said he would send me the sketches soon, and some weeks later he said his partner ripped him off and his whole pc equipment has gone and that he needs some more time now...
                                                                        Well after 7 weeks of waiting I sitll have seen shit. Im sick of it and luckily I didnt pay the full amount in advance.

                                                                        Dont do business with that fucking scammer!!!!
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                                                                        • gooddomains
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 10127

                                                                          #37
                                                                          sorry to hear that drama

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                                                                          • Pron Don
                                                                            Internet Entrepeneur
                                                                            • Jun 2006
                                                                            • 571

                                                                            #38
                                                                            damn that sucks thanks for the warning buddy
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                                                                            • MarcusG
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                              • 206

                                                                              #39
                                                                              hey all... just don't confuse "Mark" with "MarcusG", okay? Ask for references. Anyone who has been around for a while can provide verifiable references who you can contact.

                                                                              Setting up a website is a great idea... I posted a while back about creating a poll here on GFY, but it didn't fly. The only problem with the website, and the poll, would be keeping it accurately updated. As long as it doesn't get out of hand and start requiring payments to be toplisted, at least it would be a single resource. Certainly food for thought.
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                                                                              • E$_manager
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Apr 2006
                                                                                • 13557

                                                                                #40
                                                                                this is all very informative. I will certanly remember that!
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                                                                                • Th!nk
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                  • 6996

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  thanks for the heads up...we will keep that in mind.

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                                                                                  • badcore
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Apr 2006
                                                                                    • 151

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by aico
                                                                                    never pay for ANY design in full... end of lesson.


                                                                                    correct!! never do an advance payment unless you knew the man for long years.
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                                                                                    • BluMedia
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                      • 3973

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      bump because this designer is trying to rip more people off.
                                                                                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=10205022
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                                                                                      • xerex
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                                                        • 751

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by BluMedia
                                                                                        bump because this designer is trying to rip more people off.
                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=10205022
                                                                                        yep... and here's another one..

                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=624483
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                                                                                        • OG LennyT
                                                                                          Wall Street Pimp
                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                          • 14345

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          thats crappy... but you know what comes around...
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                                                                                          • BluMedia
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                            • 3973

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by dvd316
                                                                                            thats crappy... but you know what comes around...
                                                                                            Yeah I know but some people never get the come around they should.

                                                                                            Mark
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                                                                                            • Egomancer
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                                              • 2074

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Well, simplest is to avoid freelancers - it happens to me in like 50% of the cases that they walk away and they never complete the work or if they do complete it is shit and I need to remake it.

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                                                                                              • BlueWire
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                                                                                                • Nov 2004
                                                                                                • 4628

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I hate...and i mean HATE to hear about things like this...



                                                                                                but on the other hand it makes good reliable companies like www.bluewirestudio.com , www.Envisionext.com , and web inc all the more valuable

                                                                                                **PLUG PLUG**

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                                                                                                • FreakinWebmaster
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                  • 935

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by BlueWire
                                                                                                  I hate...and i mean HATE to hear about things like this...



                                                                                                  but on the other hand it makes good reliable companies like www.bluewirestudio.com , www.Envisionext.com , and web inc all the more valuable

                                                                                                  **PLUG PLUG**

                                                                                                  BlueWire designed a site for me last week and am very happy with it. Also, Tenderdesign did some galleries for me as well.

                                                                                                  Thanks to the reliable people!

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                                                                                                  • Dirty Dane
                                                                                                    Sick Fuck
                                                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                                                    • 9491

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    thanks for the warning

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