which of the martial arts is the most effective ?

[Zester]

kung fu? karate ? which of them teaches you how to defend yourself most effectively in the shortest period of time (a few years is ok) ?

and please don't say "a gun" or "being 50 cents homeboy"

[Zester]

Originally Posted by Lukas1234

But personaly i preffer Full Contact for shorterst period of time.

a win in one blow
is what I need to know

[Vitasoy]

Your best bet is to train in not just one art but many arts.. That's what the MMA(Mix Martial Arts) fighters do these days.

Muay Thai for standup
BJJ (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) for the ground game

[NoWhErE]

Wing Chung is extremely powerful but not well known yet because the Hollywood gods haven't deemed it worhty yet for the spotlight.

but trust me, Wing chung is veeeeery dangerous

[reynold]

AIKIDO

[NoCarrier]

[MaddCaz]

Kraaazy!

[BoyAlley]

Ima popacap inyass

[Validus]

I would say AIKIDO or Kick Boxing.

[avalanche]

Kenpo....if taught by the right instructor its a good street fighting technique. Involves BJJ and a lot of other styles incorporated into one. But, then again any martial art can be the best depending on who is the fighter.

[marketsmart]

all i ever use is the 5 points exploding heart technique.....

bow to my master pia mai.....

[Adam_M]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu i would say!

Very affective in close range where most street fight are won or lost.

[NoCarrier]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

all i ever use is the 5 points exploding heart technique.....

bow to my master pia mai.....

Can't even spell it right? It's Pai Mei. I'll ask him to pluck your eye out.

[Anthony]

If you must take one, BJJ.

If you can find a good MMA school, go there.

Aikido is useless.

Kenpo is useless

Kungfu is useless.

There is empirical data to support all these statements.

Refer to Ultimate Fighting Championship 1 through 4.

[Doctor Dre]

It all depends ... if you wanna fight dirty, there are some kinds of kung fu that teach you that really well. If you fight straight, then muithai and stuff like that (kick boxing etc) will be good.

edit : Jui Juitsu is the best if you're playing legit ...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by avalanche

Kenpo....if taught by the right instructor its a good street fighting technique. Involves BJJ and a lot of other styles incorporated into one. But, then again any martial art can be the best depending on who is the fighter.

KENPO DOES NOT HAVE BJJ.

They have ANTI GRAPPLING which is SHIT.

[xNetworx]

BJJ is the most effective but only if you can get your opponent to the ground. Kickboxing/Muy Thai is a good start if you are not ready to grapple

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

BJJ is the most effective but only if you can get your opponent to the ground. Kickboxing/Muy Thai is a good start if you are not ready to grapple

Do you study BJJ?

How many times in boxing do you see them clinch? Same thing for Muay Thai and Kickboxing. How many times do they clinch?

Again... UFC 1 through 4. Empirical data. You cannot argue it.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Zester

kung fu? karate ? which of them teaches you how to defend yourself most effectively in the shortest period of time (a few years is ok) ?

and please don't say "a gun" or "being 50 cents homeboy"

Short period of time doesn't exist when you want to talk about martian arts.


The best martial art is aikido.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Short period of time doesn't exist when you want to talk about martian arts.


The best martial art is aikido.

Aikido is usless.

Aikido relies on your training partner to co operate with you. They are trained to fall when you throw them.

I am talking from first hand experience, with 2 years of Aikido.

First time I tried it on a non resisting person, it failed.

[psili]

The one that teaches you to not be a dumbass and put / near yourself into situations that would necessitate having to get into a fight.

In my own opinion, if you get into a fight: 1. You were either in the wrong place where you shouldn't have been. 2. Couldn't handle a bad situation in a better way (see #1). 3. Are the type who, even if you don't know it, secretly wants to get into a fight.

My $.02

Granted, there's always exceptions, but come on -- I'm 30 and have been hit twice in my life. Once, because I was in eighth grade and stupid (#1), the second time because I was fucking wasted and didn't realize the situation I was in (#2). In either of my cases, I deserved those two punches in my 30 years on earth. If you think I'm wrong in my assessment of that, you fall into the #3 group. If you fall into the exception, well, then just disregard my post.

Anyway, carry on.

[Anthony]

I've seen Dig420 of this board take down someone who had years of Kung fu training. Dig had 8 months of BJJ.

I took KB's back while fucking around and choked him out with 2 weeks of BJJ training.

Do yourself a favor, check out Muay Thai, and BJJ.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by psili

The one that teaches you to not be a dumbass and put / near yourself into situations that would necessitate having to get into a fight.

In my own opinion, if you get into a fight: 1. You were either in the wrong place where you shouldn't have been. 2. Couldn't handle a bad situation in a better way (see #1). 3. Are the type who, even if you don't know it, secretly wants to get into a fight.

My $.02

Granted, there's always exceptions, but come on -- I'm 30 and have been hit twice in my life. Once, because I was in eighth grade and stupid (#1), the second time because I was fucking wasted and didn't realize the situation I was in (#2). In either of my cases, I deserved those two punches in my 30 years on earth. If you think I'm wrong in my assessment of that, you fall into the #3 group. If you fall into the exception, well, then just disregard my post.

Anyway, carry on.

Best post in this thread!

[Lance69]

Originally Posted by Anthony

If you must take one, BJJ.

If you can find a good MMA school, go there.

Aikido is useless.

Kenpo is useless

Kungfu is useless.

There is empirical data to support all these statements.

Refer to Ultimate Fighting Championship 1 through 4.

Only funny because it's true! There's no way they can compete with a good rounded fighter.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Do you study BJJ?

How many times in boxing do you see them clinch? Same thing for Muay Thai and Kickboxing. How many times do they clinch?

Again... UFC 1 through 4. Empirical data. You cannot argue it.

Yes I have studied jujitsu with Gustavo Dantas for a a little over a year. I had to have a hernia repair surgery so I have not stepped back up in several months. I guess the point I was trying to make is that its the most effective ground based art but not the most effective stand up art. I have seen Royce use BJJ in standup many times and beat good standup guys but if you only know some basic jujitsu and no boxing when facing a solid puncher, odds are you'll get knocked out.

[psili]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Best post in this thread!

Thanks man.

Obviously you dig on the combat sports and are into and it's refreshing to hear you don't have a meat-head mentality about it; rather are more into the mind and body shit it helps build.

Anyway.... chicks dig nunchucks.

[EdgeXXX]

Honestly, it all depends on what you are wanting to learn it for. Are you wanting to compete or to be able to defend yourself on the streets? I've trained in Muay Thai for years and, as far as a "striking" art, it's one of the most brutal you will find. As far as a "ground" art, without a doubt I would recommend starting with BJJ. Later on, you may also want to look into Krav Maga as well as SOCT (Special Operations Combat Training) if you can actually find someone that is willing to teach it to you.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

Yes I have studied jujitsu with Gustavo Dantas for a a little over a year. I had to have a hernia repair surgery so I have not stepped back up in several months. I guess the point I was trying to make is that its the most effective ground based art but not the most effective stand up art. I have seen Royce use BJJ in standup many times and beat good standup guys but if you only know some basic jujitsu and no boxing when facing a solid puncher, odds are you'll get knocked out.

Fuck, I think you brought you studied before, sorry, I forgot!

Thanks for clarifying your position, and heal up soon to get back on the mats.

[robfantasy]

Si Mi Gun

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Lance69

Only funny because it's true! There's no way they can compete with a good rounded fighter.

Please listen to this man.

I talk alot of shit, I'm more of a hobbyist when it comes to fighting.

Lance is a bonafide MMA fighter.

[shadowdemon]

hey Anthony, any thoughts on Kali?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by shadowdemon

hey Anthony, any thoughts on Kali?

First one I learned, years ago, my Uncle was very much into it, and it is a Filipino thing.

Kali is great, if you take the weapons based systems. Sayoc Kali is the one I think of when I say that. The knife fighting in "The Hunted" was all Sayoc Kali.

For hand based, Punatukan, and Dumog are pretty good, all alive based systems, but not very well known, or studied. Panatukan being very like Muay Thai, and Dumog, like Greco Wrestling in comparison.

I will run the fuck away from a man with a knife.

[shadowdemon]

Originally Posted by Anthony

First one I learned, years ago, my Uncle was very much into it, and it is a Filipino thing.

Kali is great, if you take the weapons based systems. Sayoc Kali is the one I think of when I say that. The knife fighting in "The Hunted" was all Sayoc Kali.

For hand based, Punatukan, and Dumog are pretty good, all alive based systems, but not very well known, or studied. Panatukan being very like Muay Thai, and Dumog, like Greco Wrestling in comparison.

I will run the fuck away from a man with a knife.

Thanks. I'm into it since I was in my highschool days. Even went to Cebu to learn from the Cañete brothers.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by shadowdemon

Thanks. I'm into it since I was in my highschool days. Even went to Cebu to learn from the Cañete brothers.

Kali and Arnis de Mano are great. Have you been to a gathering of the Dog Brothers? One day, but I'd have to bone up hard with the sticks.

[shadowdemon]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Kali and Arnis de Mano are great. Have you been to a gathering of the Dog Brothers? One day, but I'd have to bone up hard with the sticks.

I was but only as an observer, not a participant. I was part of the military team that was sent to observe and have a look see if it would be plausible for it to be taught to soldiers. Muay won and is now being taught to selected personnel but Kali is being taught to whoever who wants to learn it.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by shadowdemon

I was but only as an observer, not a participant. I was part of the military team that was sent to observe and have a look see if it would be plausible for it to be taught to soldiers. Muay won and is now being taught to selected personnel but Kali is being taught to whoever who wants to learn it.

How is BJJ being integrated?

Last I heard, Marines and some units of the Army are using it as a training tool.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Aikido is usless.

Aikido relies on your training partner to co operate with you. They are trained to fall when you throw them.

I am talking from first hand experience, with 2 years of Aikido.

First time I tried it on a non resisting person, it failed.

Of course you can expect to learn aikido in 2 years. Coincidentally, I did 2 years of aikido myself, but I would never try to apply in a real life fight. Aikido is a combination of all the martial arts, and I understand it is one of the most effective. It does not attack, it only defends.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Of course you can expect to learn aikido in 2 years. Coincidentally, I did 2 years of aikido myself, but I would never try to apply in a real life fight. Aikido is a combination of all the martial arts, and I understand it is one of the most effective. It does not attack, it only defends.

J.

There is one truth in fighting. Attacking wins fights.

What use is Aikido is you can never use it in a real fight?

[butraffic]

Originally Posted by Anthony

If you must take one, BJJ.

If you can find a good MMA school, go there.

Aikido is useless.

Kenpo is useless

Kungfu is useless.

There is empirical data to support all these statements.

Refer to Ultimate Fighting Championship 1 through 4.

your full of shit!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by butraffic

your full of shit!

Empirical data, and you say I'm full of shit?

You can go buy UFC 1 through 4 at any Video place.

EVERYONE LOST TO BJJ.

Now, please show me where I'm full of shit.

[shadowdemon]

Originally Posted by Anthony

How is BJJ being integrated?

Last I heard, Marines and some units of the Army are using it as a training tool.

I left the service early '04 that's why I can't comment on that. But I made some calls and found out that Jiu Jitsu is indeed being taught to Scout Rangers and Marines. Kali too, for the knife training.

About the film thing, remember Bourne Supremacy? Bourne used a rolled magazine to act like a knife. The scene looks nice but personally it lacked depth on Kali itself.

[Snake Doctor]

Do they teach any striking in BJJ? I'm not that familiar with it.

In my personal opinion, I think Krav Maga is a great system to learn how to defend yourself effectively in a short period of time.

[ScReAmH2O]

Lol Wow Very interesting

Nice Post

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Empirical data, and you say I'm full of shit?

You can go buy UFC 1 through 4 at any Video place.

EVERYONE LOST TO BJJ.

Now, please show me where I'm full of shit.

Well that was the first 4, there have been 56 more UFC events since then.

Royce Gracie (the son of the man who invented BJJ I believe) just lost to a guy who grounded and pounded him, how many BJJ guys did Vitor Belfort knock out because his hands are so fast they didn't have time to shoot?

BJJ is great stuff, and everyone in MMA needs to know it, but it's not "all there is" to being a good fighter.

[Choppa]

Ecky Thump

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by shadowdemon

I left the service early '04 that's why I can't comment on that. But I made some calls and found out that Jiu Jitsu is indeed being taught to Scout Rangers and Marines. Kali too, for the knife training.

About the film thing, remember Bourne Supremacy? Bourne used a rolled magazine to act like a knife. The scene looks nice but personally it lacked depth on Kali itself.

Funny you should mention that scene. My dad used to work in NY, and would carry his time magazine or newspaper rolled up for just that reason.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Well that was the first 4, there have been 56 more UFC events since then.

Royce Gracie (the son of the man who invented BJJ I believe) just lost to a guy who grounded and pounded him, how many BJJ guys did Vitor Belfort knock out because his hands are so fast they didn't have time to shoot?

BJJ is great stuff, and everyone in MMA needs to know it, but it's not "all there is" to being a good fighter.

Lenny,

You obvioulsy are not a fan of MMA. So I will explain.

MMA today is a mixture of BJJ, Wrestling, Muay Thai, and Boxing.

The original question was, one single martial art. If just one, BJJ would be it, but if you can find a MMA school, go there. I said that.

Royce got beat, because of one thing. He has not kept up with the times. The BEST MMA fighter won.

One thing you would know if your trained in BJJ is that Matt Hughes used BJJ positional strategy when he took Royce apart. You can see the same beat down in any of the older 1980's to 90's Vale Tudo Matches that were filmed in Brazil.

Matt went from passing the guard, to side control to full mount, to arm bar, to taking Royce's back doing the Ground and Pound.

As for Vitor Belfort... He was an amateur boxer who studied under Carson GRACIE. He is a BJJ fighter, and lists that as his base fighting style.

Thank you, come again.

[shadowdemon]

I carry a rolled-up fan which I used both for the hot weather and defending myself. People asks me why a former grunt would carry such a girly thing until they found out what I did to a snatcher in downtown Manila using that same fan.

Last time I heard, Kali is being taught in LA by the Cañete brothers (or was it by Grandmaster Presas?). Any input on that? I'll be flying to Tampa maybe next month for some R & R. I'll be sure to look you up.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by shadowdemon

I carry a rolled-up fan which I used both for the hot weather and defending myself. People asks me why a former grunt would carry such a girly thing until they found out what I did to a snatcher in downtown Manila using that same fan.

Last time I heard, Kali is being taught in LA by the Cañete brothers (or was it by Grandmaster Presas?). Any input on that? I'll be flying to Tampa maybe next month for some R & R. I'll be sure to look you up.

Sounds great! Hit me up anytime.

[KRL]

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