Can You Still Start An Affiliate Program Nowadays? - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 12:30 AM

With everyone and their brother coming out with an affiliate program, can you still do so and be a success?

From small fry to big guy is it possible?

pussyluver · 06-18-2006, 12:32 AM

Yes! With the right idea and hard work. Some cash to invest will imporve your chances.

pussyluver · 06-18-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

With everyone and their brother coming out with an affiliate program, can you still do so and be a success?

From small fry to big guy is it possible?

For us little guys, there may be some wisdom in partnering and combing resources.

WiredGuy · 06-18-2006, 12:34 AM

Something unique and different that other programs don't have can definitely make it... Differentiation is good.
WG

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver

For us little guys, there may be some wisdom in partnering and combing resources.

Okay you just rang a big ass bell in my head. I don't know why I didn't think of it before.

I do toons. Who would I partner with? Who really has the skills to market toon content and would webmasters find toon stuff worth selling?

I believe a few people have asked over the years but their deals didn't jibe right off the bat. Making loot and doing fun quality work is the goal. That combination always works.

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Something unique and different that other programs don't have can definitely make it... Differentiation is good.
WG

You can say that again!

Also, how does humor play in selling a product. I'm noticing the comedy level that sets sites apart.

I've seen some funny ads on GFY that make affiliate programs very attractive. Lets you know there are real people behind the program not some stuffed shirt. That humor translates to the customer who feels like they have a pal showing them a good time. Those fans are worth their weight in gold.

Paul Markham · 06-18-2006, 01:22 AM

We did it with teens content, and non exclusive teen content as well.

We gave the surfer good teen porn and it works fine.

BIGTYMER · 06-18-2006, 02:13 AM

Sure, with the right idea/site/content/promo tools.

Why · 06-18-2006, 03:08 AM

there is no money in porn. run away now.

of course there is room for more affiliate programs. i think a lot that are still taking traffic in are pretty much dead anymore anyways. the next big biling shake up will cull some of the bullshit from the heep. I Hope. ;)

andrej_NDC · 06-18-2006, 03:17 AM

I started with $100, bought my first content for it. Then the first design for a few bucks.

one eight · 06-18-2006, 03:17 AM

Sure.. but get ready for long hours... LONG.

ain't easy.

fallenmuffin · 06-18-2006, 03:22 AM

Sure.. find a niche that isn't over done and go at it. Should cost too much to get started. You can't expect the world on day one. For like $1k you could start something up. probably less then that. Paul Markham has like $10 sets so 50 of them is $500, domain $10, hosting $100/mo for starters?, ccbill (could be heavy fees) or something like vertrol(sp) which i don't think cost anything to setup but they take like 15% or something.

Start small if it explodes expand.

StuartD · 06-18-2006, 05:20 AM

There are still new programs coming out all the time... however, what most people don't know is that a lot of the programs that you and I hear about being "launched" are actually just new programs done by old companies.

Most companies have 2+ sponsor programs these days... some that you'd never suspect are actually just programs belonging to a company that you may already promote.

Not many are started by "new to the industry" companies... and if they are, we don't usually hear about them here on the board for quite some time.

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

There are still new programs coming out all the time... however, what most people don't know is that a lot of the programs that you and I hear about being "launched" are actually just new programs done by old companies.

Most companies have 2+ sponsor programs these days... some that you'd never suspect are actually just programs belonging to a company that you may already promote.

Not many are started by "new to the industry" companies... and if they are, we don't usually hear about them here on the board for quite some time.

Agreed.

The trick is to get in on the new programs as soon as they come out.

For me, starting an affiliate program is the right way to go. I have to study or get someone who already has a company to snag me up. I spent all year cleaning my schedule just so I could spend alllll day drawing. I would have taken some offers to do an affiliate with some companies but they got too greedy. You ever see these guys who brag, brag, brag, about how hot their companies are and all the bling they have yadda yadda yadda and then when they want to hire someone they piss and bitch about how hard times are.

If a company is all fucking that, then they can afford to set things up nice for content providers and talent.

There are sooo many bullshitters in the business you wonder who they really work for.

Me, I'm just looking for a team that is about doing kick ass work and making money.

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

Sure.. find a niche that isn't over done and go at it. Should cost too much to get started. You can't expect the world on day one. For like $1k you could start something up. probably less then that. Paul Markham has like $10 sets so 50 of them is $500, domain $10, hosting $100/mo for starters?, ccbill (could be heavy fees) or something like vertrol(sp) which i don't think cost anything to setup but they take like 15% or something.

Start small if it explodes expand.

Exactly. Great advice.

With niches and cartoons if you go to my site you'll see text links to the various niches people ask me to draw. Too many to name!

Some guys like superheroines. Some guys like just blonde superheroines, face sitting, wet looking, blah blah until fucking blah they ask for. I can't keep up but I give em' all a taste.

scottybuzz · 06-18-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Something unique and different that other programs don't have can definitely make it... Differentiation is good.
WG

thats the way in life wg

chowda · 06-18-2006, 07:28 AM

i have one of the best ideas so far and getting it done is taking crazy time.

but once its done, the structure of it is so well thought out that anyone would promote it

crockett · 06-18-2006, 07:30 AM

If you are small I'd say the best bet is to work on one quality site. Update it as often as you can with the best content you can.

Kristian · 06-18-2006, 07:31 AM

It's like asking, "Can you still open a shop, or still write a book, or still build a fucking sand castle?" You don't even have to be original, just competant.

chowda · 06-18-2006, 07:35 AM

actually, what i want to know is,

would a well DESIGNED affiliate site attract more people?

not functionality.. but design.

crappy99 · 06-18-2006, 07:35 AM

its easy anyone can do it, everyone is doing it because it still makes money :P

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crappy99

its easy anyone can do it, everyone is doing it because it still makes money :P

So where are the tutorials?

SuperGuy · 06-18-2006, 08:32 AM

Greg, I 've been a fan of your work for quite some time, and I think a couple of monthiy series type toons would work best for your site (maybe 2-3 a month) and market it not as a website but as a magazine style site (1 edition per month, so many toons, plus some text stories illustrated with toons) and have people subscribe (a la Heavy Metal magazine - on of my faves for a long time).

Surfers could subscribe for a monthly installment of their favorite series, get a couple of single toons (jokes, in progress gallery etc.) and read some raunchy text stories in different niches with some of your toons as accents.

Just a thought

scottybuzz · 06-18-2006, 08:33 AM

I think the main question is reputation. I certiainly would not signup to a program where I have no idea who the people are. A new program espeically, i mean will you get paid etc? I think after a rocky couple of months, you may be able to do it still.

billywatson · 06-18-2006, 09:29 AM

We did - with FabulousCash.com - and it's a lot of hard work. We're about 5 months old now, and if anyone has any questions, hit me up!

pussyluver · 06-18-2006, 09:43 AM

I see one of the biggest road blocks is hacks on the site and fraud. The little guy can't afford a fraud department or IT staff.

Look what happend to PIb, they pissed off some people and next thing you know they were hacked. NOt that it wasn't deserved, but ya get attacked all the time from vandals. Sometimes it is worse than others.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Gotta start somewhere.

The Ghost · 06-18-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Something unique and different that other programs don't have can definitely make it... Differentiation is good.
WG

gooddomains · 06-18-2006, 09:44 AM

no more money to be made in porn

andrej_NDC · 06-18-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chowda

actually, what i want to know is,

would a well DESIGNED affiliate site attract more people?

not functionality.. but design.

No, people with the most traffic are clever enough to care only about how much they make. If your sites convert, everything else is not important.

Big_Red · 06-18-2006, 10:28 AM

I will be launching one soon.

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperGuy

Greg, I 've been a fan of your work for quite some time, and I think a couple of monthiy series type toons would work best for your site (maybe 2-3 a month) and market it not as a website but as a magazine style site (1 edition per month, so many toons, plus some text stories illustrated with toons) and have people subscribe (a la Heavy Metal magazine - on of my faves for a long time).

Surfers could subscribe for a monthly installment of their favorite series, get a couple of single toons (jokes, in progress gallery etc.) and read some raunchy text stories in different niches with some of your toons as accents.

Just a thought

Thanks Super Guy. I thought of that approach and there are programs that kick ass and prevent hacking. Yet it's too much of a headache. I need a team mate who knows the ropes so I can just concentrate on cranking out work.

There are many variations on a theme too. Glad I cleaned up everything this year to make way to work non-stop. Hit me up by ICQ, I'd like to ask you a few questions.

detoxed · 06-18-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

With everyone and their brother coming out with an affiliate program, can you still do so and be a success?

From small fry to big guy is it possible?

Anyone can always start one and be successful

Love Sex · 06-18-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I started with $100, bought my first content for it. Then the first design for a few bucks.

how did you start with $100
where did you get processing with out paying ?

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

No, people with the most traffic are clever enough to care only about how much they make. If your sites convert, everything else is not important.

Conversion is the key. Some affiliate programs don't convert for jack. Others you wouldn't expect convert like crazy.

Mr. Romance · 06-18-2006, 03:24 PM

yes....with the right amount of money and a well written business plan that you follow...

Mr. Romance

FreeHugeMovies · 06-18-2006, 03:36 PM

Yes, plus it helps when you are living in the Philipeans. hehe

andrej_NDC · 06-18-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Love Sex

how did you start with $100
where did you get processing with out paying ?

I'm in EU, there were no setup fees with ccbill or epoch, or any other processor.

MikeVega · 06-18-2006, 06:09 PM

the first one is the hardest because of the learning curve .. I put a lot more money into Mobbucks then I had to with Satancash.com ... The partnership with Pete has helped a lot because I've started a program and still run one while he has been in the TGP game and is a great Tech guy .. we work very well together and have innovative ad material and lots of cool site ideas ... it just takes long hours and lots of dedication ..

fallenmuffin · 06-18-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Exactly. Great advice.

With niches and cartoons if you go to my site you'll see text links to the various niches people ask me to draw. Too many to name!

Some guys like superheroines. Some guys like just blonde superheroines, face sitting, wet looking, blah blah until fucking blah they ask for. I can't keep up but I give em' all a taste.

I like this guy

lol but yeah its all about the niche and starting small. I want to start one for a super micro niche that would be comic/toon based. You you seem to be inclinded. There is only 1 paysite for this niche atm and without an affiliate program.. and can you name that fetish? lol

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

I like this guy

lol but yeah its all about the niche and starting small. I want to start one for a super micro niche that would be comic/toon based. You you seem to be inclinded. There is only 1 paysite for this niche atm and without an affiliate program.. and can you name that fetish? lol

This is true! So true!

You have to have a sharp eye and act like a surfer in order to spot these new niches as they pop up. Sometimes it can be something as simple as 'slicked back hair babes' and guys go crazy for that shit. Get 5,000 people signing up to that site and considering the cost of content you should make loot.

I learned a long time ago that it's not the number of affiliates selling your stuff, it's WHOM that affiliate is. You can have 100 affiliates selling your stuff but 5 of them put you well over into the top. You can make 6 figures doing that in a year. People want stuff that sells, case closed on that.

For me, toons sell and convert powerfully. My stuff is unique so instead of those cookie cutter anime/toon sites I give original stuff and often customized. That keeps em' coming back. I need to expand and doing a paysite/affiliate thing should put me way over the top soon as I figure out how to do it without the headache.

Greg B · 06-18-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVega

the first one is the hardest because of the learning curve .. I put a lot more money into Mobbucks then I had to with Satancash.com ... The partnership with Pete has helped a lot because I've started a program and still run one while he has been in the TGP game and is a great Tech guy .. we work very well together and have innovative ad material and lots of cool site ideas ... it just takes long hours and lots of dedication ..

Mike you have a team. You can't lose with that manpower. Remember when you started Mobbucks? The theme was strong enough to attract me and my colleagues. Sometimes the theme is all it takes.

What happened to those toons I did for you and Pete? Email me.

MaddCaz · 06-18-2006, 06:41 PM

yea I think it requires PURE dedication...

MikeVega · 06-18-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Mike you have a team. You can't lose with that manpower. Remember when you started Mobbucks? The theme was strong enough to attract me and my colleagues. Sometimes the theme is all it takes.

What happened to those toons I did for you and Pete? Email me.

I love a good theme ... it gets the eyes and then you have to back it up with the product .. Mobbucks was hard and did cost a bit to get in order ... Satancash was have the time and cost ... A good team is important

I'm using the Toons ..there good .. I'll email you tomorrow .. I'm glad your OK. I like everything with the toons ..maybe just a edit or two ..

I'm using them here http://www.satancash.com/external.php?page=contactus

madawgz · 06-18-2006, 08:26 PM

please, no more new paysites... its getting crowded

altho... this industry could handle another 300 or so...but all the money would be widespread..

Taboo · 06-18-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

With everyone and their brother coming out with an affiliate program, can you still do so and be a success?

From small fry to big guy is it possible?

I sure hope so.

fyi, if you're starting your own soon, I started a thread related to affiliate programs:
Business Thread: Your Wishlist for Affiliate Programs.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/623055-business-thread-wishlist-affiliate-programs.html

you might want to check it out for ideas/brainstorming.

and if you are starting your own affiliate site or thinking about it, hit me up... I'd be interested in promoting it

and I don't mind revshare, for a site like yours, I don't need PPS. email me anytime.
<-------------- email addy over here

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Taboo · 06-18-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I started with $100, bought my first content for it. Then the first design for a few bucks.

adrej, that's inspiring! and look how far you've come. how long since your 1st site?

.

CumPacker · 06-18-2006, 10:38 PM

46.......

DWB · 06-18-2006, 10:55 PM

Don Lapre says it can still be done.

RogerV · 06-18-2006, 11:14 PM

90% of them dont make money.. Like anything else all it takes is alot of hard work and luck.. programs are a dime a dozen but do you trust them to pay you is the question..

Paul Markham · 06-18-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by madawgz

please, no more new paysites... its getting crowded

altho... this industry could handle another 300 or so...but all the money would be widespread..

Sorry disagree with this blanket statement.

What this industry does not need is 300 paysites following the same formula as the 300,000 that have gone before it. It needs 300 paysites that break out of the mould. It can be the same niche as before just needs to be different and a lot better.

And this is the key, if your sites are no different than the 300,000 other sites, and exclusive content does not make it different from the other 200,000 exclusive sites, then you will fail.

Anyone can open an affiliate program, takes something special to make it work.

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Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Can You Still Start An Affiliate Program Nowadays? With everyone and their brother coming out with an affiliate program, can you still do so and be a success? From small fry to big guy is it possible?

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	Something unique and different that other programs don't have can definitely make it... Differentiation is good. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	There are still new programs coming out all the time... however, what most people don't know is that a lot of the programs that you and I hear about being "launched" are actually just new programs done by old companies. Most companies have 2+ sponsor programs these days... some that you'd never suspect are actually just programs belonging to a company that you may already promote. Not many are started by "new to the industry" companies... and if they are, we don't usually hear about them here on the board for quite some time. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

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pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Yes! With the right idea and hard work. Some cash to invest will imporve your chances.

06-18-2006, 02:13 AM	#8
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	Sure, with the right idea/site/content/promo tools.

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Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	there is no money in porn. run away now. of course there is room for more affiliate programs. i think a lot that are still taking traffic in are pretty much dead anymore anyways. the next big biling shake up will cull some of the bullshit from the heep. I Hope. ;)

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andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	I started with $100, bought my first content for it. Then the first design for a few bucks.

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fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	Sure.. find a niche that isn't over done and go at it. Should cost too much to get started. You can't expect the world on day one. For like $1k you could start something up. probably less then that. Paul Markham has like $10 sets so 50 of them is $500, domain $10, hosting $100/mo for starters?, ccbill (could be heavy fees) or something like vertrol(sp) which i don't think cost anything to setup but they take like 15% or something. Start small if it explodes expand.

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chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	actually, what i want to know is, would a well DESIGNED affiliate site attract more people? not functionality.. but design. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

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SuperGuy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 38	Greg, I 've been a fan of your work for quite some time, and I think a couple of monthiy series type toons would work best for your site (maybe 2-3 a month) and market it not as a website but as a magazine style site (1 edition per month, so many toons, plus some text stories illustrated with toons) and have people subscribe (a la Heavy Metal magazine - on of my faves for a long time). Surfers could subscribe for a monthly installment of their favorite series, get a couple of single toons (jokes, in progress gallery etc.) and read some raunchy text stories in different niches with some of your toons as accents. Just a thought

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scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	I think the main question is reputation. I certiainly would not signup to a program where I have no idea who the people are. A new program espeically, i mean will you get paid etc? I think after a rocky couple of months, you may be able to do it still. __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

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pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	I see one of the biggest road blocks is hacks on the site and fraud. The little guy can't afford a fraud department or IT staff. Look what happend to PIb, they pissed off some people and next thing you know they were hacked. NOt that it wasn't deserved, but ya get attacked all the time from vandals. Sometimes it is worse than others. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Gotta start somewhere.

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MikeVega Porntrepreneur Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York Posts: 12,788	the first one is the hardest because of the learning curve .. I put a lot more money into Mobbucks then I had to with Satancash.com ... The partnership with Pete has helped a lot because I've started a program and still run one while he has been in the TGP game and is a great Tech guy .. we work very well together and have innovative ad material and lots of cool site ideas ... it just takes long hours and lots of dedication .. __________________ Mike Vega-ICQ:253868499-AIM:mikeydicevega

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RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	90% of them dont make money.. Like anything else all it takes is alot of hard work and luck.. programs are a dime a dozen but do you trust them to pay you is the question..