Net Neutrality -IT'S TIME TO ACT NOW! (bump this thread) - GoFuckYourself.com

darnit · 06-15-2006, 12:04 AM

I know between all the "drama" and "hit it pics" this may not get bumped much but for those who really care about the future of the internet AND YOUR BOTTOM LINE this issue has made it to the senate and its time for YOU to voice in on the matter.

MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!

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What is this about?

This is about Internet freedom. "Network Neutrality" -- the First Amendment of the Internet -- ensures that the public can view the smallest blog just as easily as the largest corporate Web site by preventing Internet companies like AT&T from rigging the playing field for only the highest-paying sites.

But Internet providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast are spending millions of dollars lobbying Congress to gut Net Neutrality. If Congress doesn't take action now to implement meaningful network neutrality provisions, the future of the Internet is at risk.

What is network neutrality?

Net Neutrality ensures that all users can access the content or run the applications and devices of their choice. With Net Neutrality, the network's only job is to move data ? not choose which data to privilege with higher quality service.

Who wants to get rid of Net Neutrality?

The nation's largest telephone and cable companies ? including AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner ? want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won't load at all.

BUMP THIS THREAD

TheJimmy · 06-15-2006, 12:06 AM

bump darnit

:/

davecummings · 06-15-2006, 12:08 AM

This sounds like another .xxx fiasco?!!

Dave

darnit · 06-15-2006, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by davecummings

This sounds like another .xxx fiasco?!!

Dave

IMHO it?s worse. It doesn?t just affect our segment of the internet community it affects ALL publishers. Basically those who pay the ISP's have fast loading sites, those that don't won't.

It is totally against what makes the internet such a revolutionary medium - a level playing field.

EDIT: btw Dave, loved the "screw my wife" series

Great to see you involved with so many online issues comming from the vid end of the biz

stickyfingerz · 06-15-2006, 12:14 AM

The virtual sky is falling.... again... and again yawn.

flashbang · 06-15-2006, 12:16 AM

let em and see how fast a new undernet is created

darnit · 06-15-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

The virtual sky is falling.... again... and again yawn.

I know it?s a pain in the ass to deal with all the shit that's been thrown at our industry. From Acacia to 2257 to .XXX its been a shitty ride.

However that doesn't mean we should simply sit back and put our collective heads in the sand. This issue hasn?t been resolved; in fact it is now in the Senate ready for a vote.

Is it wrong to bring light to something that affects us all?

Or should I simply shut up and post "hit it" threads for a monthly sig quota?

stickyfingerz · 06-15-2006, 12:35 AM

Sorry but if they do this, someone will be finding a quick way around it, and people will use that instead of their current isp's. Money talks, and people wont spend it if they cant get to their family website, or favorite pornsite, or a forum about cats wearing sweaters. Aint gonna happen.

Bdiddy · 06-15-2006, 12:43 AM

bump.........

darnit · 06-15-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Sorry but if they do this, someone will be finding a quick way around it, and people will use that instead of their current isp's. Money talks, and people wont spend it if they cant get to their family website, or favorite pornsite, or a forum about cats wearing sweaters. Aint gonna happen.

How in the world will the Average Joe find a way around the major ISP's (ATT, Comcast, Etc).

They won't. They will simply have limited choices and not even realize that their personal version of the internet has been compromised.

To quote U.S. Rep. Jay Inslee (D-1):

"companies like AT&T will become 'kings of content,' allowing them to 'cable-ize the industry,' so that just as Comcast sells cable packages that promote certain shows to the exclusion of others, the big telcos will one day sell content packages that promote certain websites?effectively marginalizing other sites."

Pleasurepays · 06-15-2006, 12:47 AM

we are supposed to believe that there will instantly be created a vacuum and MASSIVE MARKET where smaller sites representing the bulk of the internet, who don't pay whatever fees there are will just be fucked? and then we are to believe that no ISP's? no cable companies.... NO ONE is going to cater to a wide open market?

hmmm.... pretty sure we covered this whole supply and demand thing in macro economics 101

american pervert · 06-15-2006, 12:53 AM

sucks big time

darnit · 06-15-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

we are supposed to believe that there will instantly be created a vacuum and MASSIVE MARKET where smaller sites representing the bulk of the internet, who don't pay whatever fees there are will just be fucked? and then we are to believe that no ISP's? no cable companies.... NO ONE is going to cater to a wide open market?

hmmm.... pretty sure we covered this whole supply and demand thing in macro economics 101

Right now ALL BITS are created equal online. If net neutrality is not enacted than certain bits will have preferential treatment over non-paying bits on the major backbones. This will result in the ISPs determining who reaches the consumer and who doesn?t at THEIR SOLE DISCRESTION.

Am I the only one who see's a problem with this vision of the internet?

Pleasurepays · 06-15-2006, 01:02 AM

i think its more about your version of reality. are you posting from a bunker in the hills of kentucky? do you have enough weapons, canned food, bottled water and water proof matches in case "they" start their war against the people?

Ace_luffy · 06-15-2006, 01:12 AM

thanks for the info dude...

darnit · 06-15-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think its more about your version of reality. are you posting from a bunker in the hills of kentucky? do you have enough weapons, canned food, bottled water and water proof matches in case "they" start their war against the people?

Actually I live in a nice house in Seattle with no provisions for Armageddon. I simply feel that this issue is important and appreciate your bumps in the thread.

Linkster · 06-15-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think its more about your version of reality. are you posting from a bunker in the hills of kentucky? do you have enough weapons, canned food, bottled water and water proof matches in case "they" start their war against the people?

You might want to search for some recent remarks made by the CEO of BellSouth - where he basically summed it up by saying that they would be able to choose which search engine surfers would be able to see - he gave the example of Google and Yahoo - which ever one paid the most to Bellsouth would be available for their customers(ISP/DSL etc) - the other would be blocked completely

$5 submissions · 06-15-2006, 06:42 AM

What's the argument for the other side? Is it COMPLETELY without merit?

E$_manager · 06-15-2006, 06:46 AM

when i hear the word "donation" i am sorry, i can't read further

scottybuzz · 06-15-2006, 06:52 AM

this is scary stuff, but wont there be some isp's that will allow everything at the same speed, then wont they get all the customers?

Manowar · 06-15-2006, 06:57 AM

bump for this

Paul Markham · 06-15-2006, 07:03 AM

IMO it will not effect porn.

The big guys like Hustler, Vivid, etc. are not going to monopalise the porn Internet and believe it or not the porn Intetnet is a large part.

It might effect Google and Yahoo becasue one SE is very much like the other one.

But firstly will AT&T be taking money from porn companies?

And how will it fit with Internetional law? AT&T start blocking me maybe I can sue them under International Law.

If the big guys start blocking access to pirate sites that could work.

BlackCrayon · 06-15-2006, 07:05 AM

i think we have a much better chance of beating this as it effects everyones business online, not just adult.

bellskids · 06-15-2006, 07:06 AM

Thats a pretty fucked up scenario if the worst came to the worst. I would hope that this would not be allowed to happen surely it breaks all sorts of anti monopoly laws, competition laws etc

Tom_PM · 06-15-2006, 07:12 AM

It is a serious issue. Imagine one or two large ISP's deciding their homebrew SE is the one they'll allow their budget level users to see ("for only $19.95 extra per month, we'll add Google to your line-up, Mr. Smith"). Not far-fetched. Not chicken little. A real possibility.

How does that NOT affect "porn" and every other industry that advertises online?

It's all about the advertising dollars people. Something we should all know about.

davecummings · 06-15-2006, 08:19 AM

IMO, we also need input and leadership from Connor Young/YNOT, Brandon, PR Tom, and others.

Thanks for highlighting this Darnit!

Dave

martinsc · 06-15-2006, 11:28 AM

bump bump

media · 06-15-2006, 11:32 AM

Bumpdiggity!

marketsmart · 06-15-2006, 12:03 PM

this will get overturned a month after it (if) gets passed... it creates unfair business practices and goes against every idea of fair competition...

Pleasurepays · 06-15-2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

You might want to search for some recent remarks made by the CEO of BellSouth - where he basically summed it up by saying that they would be able to choose which search engine surfers would be able to see - he gave the example of Google and Yahoo - which ever one paid the most to Bellsouth would be available for their customers(ISP/DSL etc) - the other would be blocked completely

you are a complete idiot if you think that the nations biggest, publically held companies are going to suddenly start acting like Joseph Stalin and control what people can read and see online.

whats next? are you going to warn us that ATT is going to start building gas chambers and enact their "final solution" for those annoying customers?

this issue is EXACTLY why communists and socialists should not be commenting on free market economics.

Pleasurepays · 06-15-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

IMO it will not effect porn.

The big guys like Hustler, Vivid, etc. are not going to monopalise the porn Internet and believe it or not the porn Intetnet is a large part.

It might effect Google and Yahoo becasue one SE is very much like the other one.

But firstly will AT&T be taking money from porn companies?

And how will it fit with Internetional law? AT&T start blocking me maybe I can sue them under International Law.

If the big guys start blocking access to pirate sites that could work.

yeah ... you're right. it will affect google and yahoo and every other portal site online because they dont really want surfers to have fast access to their content.

the genius level of this thread just shot up a few notches.

C H R I S · 06-15-2006, 12:41 PM

Bumpity bump

darnit · 06-15-2006, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

What's the argument for the other side? Is it COMPLETELY without merit?

Their argument is that they claim net nutrality is "government regulation" of the internet. However all this "regulation" does is madate a level playing field for all websites / services.

GatorB · 06-15-2006, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darnit

Their argument is that they claim net nutrality is "government regulation" of the internet. However all this "regulation" does is madate a level playing field for all websites / services.

Yep. basically if net neutrality becomes law things stay as they are. That's all. if you don't think ISPs will block site you are wrong because it has ALREADY happened. One ISP blocked access to VoIP services like Vonage so they could force those custtomers to use THEIR VoIP serice. They were forced to stop doing that by the FCC, but if the anti-NN get their law passed this would be prefectly legal.

davecummings · 06-15-2006, 02:08 PM

Bump-bump-bump!!!!!

Spud · 06-16-2006, 07:16 AM

bump

guess they should just make net neutrality an amendment to 2257. At least then a few more people would know something about it

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darnit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teh Interweb Posts: 2,439	Net Neutrality -IT'S TIME TO ACT NOW! (bump this thread) I know between all the "drama" and "hit it pics" this may not get bumped much but for those who really care about the future of the internet AND YOUR BOTTOM LINE this issue has made it to the senate and its time for YOU to voice in on the matter. MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! http://www.savetheinternet.com CLICK THE LINK ABOVE AND DONATE MONEY, CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, DO SOMETHING! What is this about? This is about Internet freedom. "Network Neutrality" -- the First Amendment of the Internet -- ensures that the public can view the smallest blog just as easily as the largest corporate Web site by preventing Internet companies like AT&T from rigging the playing field for only the highest-paying sites. But Internet providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast are spending millions of dollars lobbying Congress to gut Net Neutrality. If Congress doesn't take action now to implement meaningful network neutrality provisions, the future of the Internet is at risk. What is network neutrality? Net Neutrality ensures that all users can access the content or run the applications and devices of their choice. With Net Neutrality, the network's only job is to move data ? not choose which data to privilege with higher quality service. Who wants to get rid of Net Neutrality? The nation's largest telephone and cable companies ? including AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner ? want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won't load at all. BUMP THIS THREAD

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