Cybernet Expo: A differnet view. - GoFuckYourself.com

Thee Johnclave · 06-15-2006, 06:31 PM

Forgive me for interrupting the lovefest but I have a few comments on the "show".

First, as memory serves the Cybernet Expo was held at the same hotel last year. The same hotel with the same horrific service, separation of attendees across two lodging areas split by a large parking lot and the same facility issues such as faulty plumbing, musty rooms, etc... Why was this location chosen again? Several people made negative comments after the last Cybernet and despite all the assurances given that corrections would be made; the hotel was worse this year.

As I see it the sponsors who rallied to make last minute changes in venue and or event deserve major credit in pulling their events off. If I were one of them I'd be demanding a refund on my sponsorship; especially if I were the happy hour sponsor CE, who's yellow paper cutout "drink tickets"; did not even include their program name. Rest assured they had Cybernet Expo on them however. Additionally, the attendee's deserve a few accolades for pulling of this "show". In stead of throwing a fit over the monster which Cybernet themselves created by not changing locations everyone made the best of it by finding other activities away from the "show", as the group I was with did, or just grinning and bearing the ridiculous rules should they decide to stay round the hotel.

Cybernet turned out to be a good time but the only credit I can give the organizers is Dave's trickery to get me to pickup my badge. After waiting 10 minutes for the bartender at the sponsored happy hour to calculate the cost of two beers Dave asked me if I was preregistered (which I was) and insinuated that it wouldn't have taken as long if I'd picked up my badge. Wow...how my badge would have helped him calculate the cash I was using to pay is beyond me, but I digress. Strangely enough, the next time the colleague I was with attempted to order from the same bartender he was told they couldn't serve anyone without a badge. Well done, Dave.

Those of you who know me know that I'm a very laid back guy who takes all issues in stride and I honestly had a good time at this "show" as long as I was away from the communist rule of the hotel but I think it's completely wrong for the organizers to come out of this smelling like a rose and not making amends for the issues they created. Jay put a nice spin on APN Phil's cancelled thread but it was nothing more than a spin.

I'm off my soapbox and for those of you ready to type "if you don't like it, don't go"..you read my mind.

John

DaddyHalbucks · 06-15-2006, 06:50 PM

So, what are the best adult webmasters shows now?

Phoenix Forum? What else?

2HousePlague · 06-15-2006, 06:56 PM

C'mon, man. All I saw was Dave, Fay amd LAJ running around trying to hold it all together. It's obvious they were blindsided by the hotel bullshit and did everything in their power to hold it together and give everybody a good time and their money's worth. That could happen to anybody. I commend them for how well things went off in spite of it all. It ain't right you should bash them. --

You don't run something like that for 8 years without knowing what you're doing and being loved by all. I give you, it was a downer to have all that shit to worry about. But those who were there last year know we almost had a storm hit while we were there. They had us ready to evacuate and shit, no joke. My point is you can't blame hard-working people for acts of God.

2hp

Jason · 06-15-2006, 07:20 PM

John,

Thank you for bringing up the point that our drink tickets did not have any branding on them and that they were "cut outs"

The story has it..

PornDollar and MeatCash had the bar.

MeatCash backed out for their personal reasons and was left with Porndollar getting the bar to itself.

At the last minute, I was told as I am sure the rest of the sponsors were, that we could not have anything adult related in our banners.. Nudity, wording.. even our name couldn't adult related.

So, since PornDollar was the bar sponsor and I have the word "Porn" in my name.. I was told I could not have my banner hung.. But was "OhMobile" was ok.. Well.. Mobile wasnt what I wanted to promote.

Since I have involvement with Cybererotica, CECash and URentDVDs being non adult names.. That was my only option.

PornDollar was sent to the seminar room.

To be honest.. Deep down I am pissed that my baby, the last few years of my life did not get the exposure that I wanted. But.. Since my life now involves CECash.. It didnt get to me that much.

Think of it as a 3 birds with one stone.

Jay and Fay made do with what they had to work with.

I got 3 companies exposure, and overall.. I hope everyone remembers who bought them drinks

I will sponsor this even again. This was my 2nd year in a row, but only if the rules apply like other shows we have.

-jason

WWC-Pajio · 06-15-2006, 07:22 PM

.... I think Vegas will be much much better.. hopefully! :D

Thee Johnclave · 06-15-2006, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

John,

Thank you for bringing up the point that our drink tickets did not have any branding on them and that they were "cut outs"

The story has it..

PornDollar and MeatCash had the bar.

MeatCash backed out for their personal reasons and was left with Porndollar getting the bar to itself.

At the last minute, I was told as I am sure the rest of the sponsors were, that we could not have anything adult related in our banners.. Nudity, wording.. even our name couldn't adult related.

So, since PornDollar was the bar sponsor and I have the word "Porn" in my name.. I was told I could not have my banner hung.. But was "OhMobile" was ok.. Well.. Mobile wasnt what I wanted to promote.

Since I have involvement with Cybererotica, CECash and URentDVDs being non adult names.. That was my only option.

PornDollar was sent to the seminar room.

To be honest.. Deep down I am pissed that my baby, the last few years of my life did not get the exposure that I wanted. But.. Since my life now involves CECash.. It didnt get to me that much.

Think of it as a 3 birds with one stone.

Jay and Fay made do with what they had to work with.

I got 3 companies exposure, and overall.. I hope everyone remembers who bought them drinks

I will sponsor this even again. This was my 2nd year in a row, but only if the rules apply like other shows we have.

-jason

CECash is a great option in your lineup to use as a sponsor...so why wasn't the name on the coupons?

You're handling this remarkably well. I'd be outraged if I were in your position.

Cory W · 06-15-2006, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

C'mon, man. All I saw was Dave, Fay amd LAJ running around trying to hold it all together. It's obvious they were blindsided by the hotel bullshit and did everything in their power to hold it together and give everybody a good time and their money's worth. That could happen to anybody. I commend them for how well things went off in spite of it all. It ain't right you should bash them. --

You don't run something like that for 8 years without knowing what you're doing and being loved by all. I give you, it was a downer to have all that shit to worry about. But those who were there last year know we almost had a storm hit while we were there. They had us ready to evacuate and shit, no joke. My point is you can't blame hard-working people for acts of God.

2hp

I don't think the hotel environment was an act of God, it could have been forecast. We didn't sponsor the show because it was held at the same hotel as last year.

I felt like Bob really went out of his way to make sure everyone had a good time. However, Dave coming down on people about badges is like parking attendants handing out parking tickets after a tsunami.

Jason · 06-15-2006, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy The Squid

CECash is a great option in your lineup to use as a sponsor...so why wasn't the name on the coupons?

You're handling this remarkably well. I'd be outraged if I were in your position.

Well.. Not having any name on the drink ticket is truly a pisser..

But not having PornDollar on the bar was what really burns.

Like you John.. I am a laided back person. I was outraged.

But like I said.. I had other options to me.

So I just let it go.

Cory W · 06-15-2006, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

Well.. Not having any name on the drink ticket is truly a pisser..

But not having PornDollar on the bar was what really burns.

Like you John.. I am a laided back person. I was outraged.

But like I said.. I had other options to me.

So I just let it go.

I told everyone the drink tickets were on Weg.

Best sponsorship we ever had.

2HousePlague · 06-15-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I don't think the hotel environment was an act of God, it could have been forecast. We didn't sponsor the show because it was held at the same hotel as last year.

I felt like Bob really went out of his way to make sure everyone had a good time. However, Dave coming down on people about badges is like parking attendants handing out parking tickets after a tsunami.

I prepaid. So I have no clue what down for people who purchased "at the box office", so to speak. I see your point about tsunami parking tickets, but I also have a strong dislike for looters.

2hp

Jason · 06-15-2006, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I told everyone the drink tickets were on Weg.

Best sponsorship we ever had.

OMG.. now that was funny.

Cory W · 06-15-2006, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

I prepaid. So I have no clue what down for people who purchased "at the box office", so to speak. I see your point about tsunami parking tickets, but I also have a strong dislike for looters.

2hp

John was pre-paid. I think that is the issue.

2HousePlague · 06-15-2006, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

John was pre-paid. I think that is the issue.

I hear ya Cory. My reaction was a little emotional. I really love Fay and Dave, and I guess I saw a different side of them when I was down there. There was a lotta pressure on them, and every mouth produced complaints and "tsuriss" (Yiddish for stress). When I walked into that room I was like "Anything I can do to help?" I like that my friends treat me like somebody who can help out in a pinch, rather than someone who is going to add to the many burdens. The exchange sounds like a totally understandable clash of opposing frustrations in a moment when there was a lotta "tsuriss" in the house, compounded by the presence of white people with guns -- -- Dave's a good guy, if he offended I'm sure it was an accident. So, now that makes 4 cents --

2hp

Cory W · 06-15-2006, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

I hear ya Cory. My reaction was a little emotional. I really love Fay and Dave, and I guess I saw a different side of them when I was down there. There was a lotta pressure on them, and every mouth produced complaints and "tsuriss" (Yiddish for stress). When I walked into that room I was like "Anything I can do to help?" I like that my friends treat me like somebody who can help out in a pinch, rather than someone who is going to add to the many burdens. The exchange sounds like a totally understandable clash of opposing frustrations in a moment when there was a lotta "tsuriss" in the house, compounded by the presence of white people with guns -- -- Dave's a good guy, if he offended I'm sure it was an accident. So, now that makes 4 cents --

2hp

No worries, this all makes for good debate. Hopefully they recover for next year.

I can't imagine the situation was easy.

Deraj · 06-15-2006, 08:42 PM

Hats off for the effort they made.. i had a GREAT time although the event was spent off campus for the most part. Had allot of great opportunities to make friends and build relationships.

Seems to me that's what the shows are about. :2cents:

CuriousToyBoy · 06-15-2006, 11:58 PM

The whole thing sucked insofar of how difficult they made it for EVERYONE.

Hope the lawsuit includes "pain and suffering".

2c

J$tyle$ · 06-16-2006, 12:11 AM

I'm more pissed that "the squid" flaked out on me saturday night!

bastard!

I love my new Treo 700W btw!

ScReAmH2O · 06-16-2006, 12:13 AM

Interesting... Nice Find

jmk · 06-16-2006, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I told everyone the drink tickets were on Weg.

Best sponsorship we ever had.

Choppa · 06-16-2006, 01:51 AM

Many facets were dissapointing in the least, but LAJ and Faye were always going around to amend as many as they could. May hat goes off to them for being the "meat in the sandwiche"

seeric · 06-16-2006, 06:37 AM

someone with my cell give me a call and break it down for me. i wanna know the lowdown. damn search feature is messed up again. as an event planner i'd like to know the details. so far to me it sounds like the hotel may be in breech.

sounds like gestapo. that blows.

JFK · 06-16-2006, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason

OMG.. now that was funny.

Jason, did you get my emails?

Sharpie · 06-16-2006, 08:29 AM

For those of you who missed the things that went down previous to the show:

We returned because we were promised all the rooms, banners in the courtyard, complete cooperation, and more staff, to solve any problems from the year before. We even had sponsored carts for transporation between the buildings - (great idea that was also sabatoged)

It was court ordered that we closely check ages, have wristbands, and not allow anyone who didn't have a wristband to be served or participate any any of our activities. Very sorry if we offended anyone, but we could not give the hotel any reason to come back on us. We have well over $100,000 invested in this and we just can't take any chances, as this is far from over.

Here is what we got instead of the cooperation we were promised:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=621448

JimmiDean · 06-16-2006, 08:42 AM

As far as I know Jay has announced there will be legal action againt the hotel.
The hotel changed ownership since the contract was originally signed and tried to get out of the event.
Since that was not possible it appears they made it as hard as they could on the adult industry.

Cory W · 06-16-2006, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

I
I love my new Treo 700W btw!

So far so good?

How about the phone portion?

Honez · 06-16-2006, 10:49 AM

One question:
Drink tickets?

JFK · 06-16-2006, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy

The whole thing sucked insofar of how difficult they made it for EVERYONE.

Hope the lawsuit includes "pain and suffering".

2c

was your one piece too cramped ??

Catalyst · 06-16-2006, 11:23 AM

Awsome pictures JFK.

Thee Johnclave · 06-16-2006, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpie

For those of you who missed the things that went down previous to the show:

We returned because we were promised all the rooms, banners in the courtyard, complete cooperation, and more staff, to solve any problems from the year before. We even had sponsored carts for transporation between the buildings - (great idea that was also sabatoged)

It was court ordered that we closely check ages, have wristbands, and not allow anyone who didn't have a wristband to be served or participate any any of our activities. Very sorry if we offended anyone, but we could not give the hotel any reason to come back on us. We have well over $100,000 invested in this and we just can't take any chances, as this is far from over.

Here is what we got instead of the cooperation we were promised:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=621448

Not once was my ID checked. That arguement holds no water.

The thread you just linked is bs. You guys need to step up and accept a bit of responsibility for the debacle. I understand (and agree) that the hotel went overboard but if I have a vendor who interrupts the business of one of my affiliates it is my business to make amends to the affiliate not the vendors.

The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. You should have seen problems on the horizon with that hotel and I certainly see them for future Cybernet "shows".

John

Thee Johnclave · 06-16-2006, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

I'm more pissed that "the squid" flaked out on me saturday night!

bastard!

I love my new Treo 700W btw!

I honestly owe you an apology. I know you went to a lot of trouble leaving the sliding glass door open for me.

You'll have an email today....

Gabriel · 06-17-2006, 01:30 AM

I love calamari.

CuriousToyBoy · 06-17-2006, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

was your one piece too cramped ??

The "rules" did NOT include cross-dressing.

Find me an envelope, I'll push it.

EVERY time.

And great pics as usual Jules !!!

2HousePlague · 06-17-2006, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel

I love calamari.

Me too... light crust.

2hp

Rochard · 06-17-2006, 01:52 AM

We have a habit of bad behavior, trashing rooms, and acting like high school kids in pubilc. Combine this with scanitly clad women and curious looking men in women's bathing suits and it's no wonder hotels aren't excited to have us invade their space.

Want to be treated properly? Get a room at a different hotel.

CuriousToyBoy · 06-17-2006, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

We have a habit of bad behavior, trashing rooms, and acting like high school kids in pubilc. Combine this with scanitly clad women and curious looking men in women's bathing suits and it's no wonder hotels aren't excited to have us invade their space.

Want to be treated properly? Get a room at a different hotel.

I resemble that remark !

J$tyle$ · 06-17-2006, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

So far so good?

How about the phone portion?

I have a slight low audible hiss which is why I'm going to swap the phone out HOWEVER - I love the phone SO FAR!

I have an extended week beyond the 15 day guarantee period so my intention is to abuse and beat the shit out of it as best i can ;)

productivity went up a notch with this purchase ... just hope that once I make the swap it's all good

J$tyle$ · 06-17-2006, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy The Squid

I honestly owe you an apology. I know you went to a lot of trouble leaving the sliding glass door open for me.

You'll have an email today....

blah blah blah

CuriousToyBoy · 06-17-2006, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

blah blah blah

06-15-2006, 06:31 PM	#1
Thee Johnclave The Billz Collectaz Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 632	Cybernet Expo: A differnet view. Forgive me for interrupting the lovefest but I have a few comments on the "show". First, as memory serves the Cybernet Expo was held at the same hotel last year. The same hotel with the same horrific service, separation of attendees across two lodging areas split by a large parking lot and the same facility issues such as faulty plumbing, musty rooms, etc... Why was this location chosen again? Several people made negative comments after the last Cybernet and despite all the assurances given that corrections would be made; the hotel was worse this year. As I see it the sponsors who rallied to make last minute changes in venue and or event deserve major credit in pulling their events off. If I were one of them I'd be demanding a refund on my sponsorship; especially if I were the happy hour sponsor CE, who's yellow paper cutout "drink tickets"; did not even include their program name. Rest assured they had Cybernet Expo on them however. Additionally, the attendee's deserve a few accolades for pulling of this "show". In stead of throwing a fit over the monster which Cybernet themselves created by not changing locations everyone made the best of it by finding other activities away from the "show", as the group I was with did, or just grinning and bearing the ridiculous rules should they decide to stay round the hotel. Cybernet turned out to be a good time but the only credit I can give the organizers is Dave's trickery to get me to pickup my badge. After waiting 10 minutes for the bartender at the sponsored happy hour to calculate the cost of two beers Dave asked me if I was preregistered (which I was) and insinuated that it wouldn't have taken as long if I'd picked up my badge. Wow...how my badge would have helped him calculate the cash I was using to pay is beyond me, but I digress. Strangely enough, the next time the colleague I was with attempted to order from the same bartender he was told they couldn't serve anyone without a badge. Well done, Dave. Those of you who know me know that I'm a very laid back guy who takes all issues in stride and I honestly had a good time at this "show" as long as I was away from the communist rule of the hotel but I think it's completely wrong for the organizers to come out of this smelling like a rose and not making amends for the issues they created. Jay put a nice spin on APN Phil's cancelled thread but it was nothing more than a spin. I'm off my soapbox and for those of you ready to type "if you don't like it, don't go"..you read my mind. John __________________ Seeking large traffic deals. john at pptme dot com

06-15-2006, 06:50 PM	#2
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06-15-2006, 06:56 PM	#3
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	C'mon, man. All I saw was Dave, Fay amd LAJ running around trying to hold it all together. It's obvious they were blindsided by the hotel bullshit and did everything in their power to hold it together and give everybody a good time and their money's worth. That could happen to anybody. I commend them for how well things went off in spite of it all. It ain't right you should bash them. -- You don't run something like that for 8 years without knowing what you're doing and being loved by all. I give you, it was a downer to have all that shit to worry about. But those who were there last year know we almost had a storm hit while we were there. They had us ready to evacuate and shit, no joke. My point is you can't blame hard-working people for acts of God. 2hp __________________ tada!

06-15-2006, 07:20 PM	#4
Jason Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,287	John, Thank you for bringing up the point that our drink tickets did not have any branding on them and that they were "cut outs" The story has it.. PornDollar and MeatCash had the bar. MeatCash backed out for their personal reasons and was left with Porndollar getting the bar to itself. At the last minute, I was told as I am sure the rest of the sponsors were, that we could not have anything adult related in our banners.. Nudity, wording.. even our name couldn't adult related. So, since PornDollar was the bar sponsor and I have the word "Porn" in my name.. I was told I could not have my banner hung.. But was "OhMobile" was ok.. Well.. Mobile wasnt what I wanted to promote. Since I have involvement with Cybererotica, CECash and URentDVDs being non adult names.. That was my only option. PornDollar was sent to the seminar room. To be honest.. Deep down I am pissed that my baby, the last few years of my life did not get the exposure that I wanted. But.. Since my life now involves CECash.. It didnt get to me that much. Think of it as a 3 birds with one stone. Jay and Fay made do with what they had to work with. I got 3 companies exposure, and overall.. I hope everyone remembers who bought them drinks I will sponsor this even again. This was my 2nd year in a row, but only if the rules apply like other shows we have. -jason __________________ I stay busy. Last edited by Jason; 06-15-2006 at 07:21 PM..

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	someone with my cell give me a call and break it down for me. i wanna know the lowdown. damn search feature is messed up again. as an event planner i'd like to know the details. so far to me it sounds like the hotel may be in breech. sounds like gestapo. that blows.

06-16-2006, 08:29 AM	#23
Sharpie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 438	For those of you who missed the things that went down previous to the show: We returned because we were promised all the rooms, banners in the courtyard, complete cooperation, and more staff, to solve any problems from the year before. We even had sponsored carts for transporation between the buildings - (great idea that was also sabatoged) It was court ordered that we closely check ages, have wristbands, and not allow anyone who didn't have a wristband to be served or participate any any of our activities. Very sorry if we offended anyone, but we could not give the hotel any reason to come back on us. We have well over $100,000 invested in this and we just can't take any chances, as this is far from over. Here is what we got instead of the cooperation we were promised: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=621448

06-16-2006, 08:42 AM	#24
JimmiDean Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Margarittaville Posts: 3,433	As far as I know Jay has announced there will be legal action againt the hotel. The hotel changed ownership since the contract was originally signed and tried to get out of the event. Since that was not possible it appears they made it as hard as they could on the adult industry. __________________ My God there's Porn on here! Still on the Beach !!!

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 75,080	We have a habit of bad behavior, trashing rooms, and acting like high school kids in pubilc. Combine this with scanitly clad women and curious looking men in women's bathing suits and it's no wonder hotels aren't excited to have us invade their space. Want to be treated properly? Get a room at a different hotel. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders