Why don't some sponsors let you see your referring urls? - GoFuckYourself.com

Jace · 06-14-2006, 01:59 AM

I don't understand why some sponsors don't let you see referring urls in stats, this should be a standard feature of any stats interface

and some only let you see the referring url of sales, but not click throughs, that bugs me also

studiocritic · 06-14-2006, 02:21 AM

yep.. very annoying.

in mainstream those programs wouldn't get any traffic.. in adult, most of the affiliates are too clueless to know what to do with that info.

so i guess its a matter of demand..

V_RocKs · 06-14-2006, 02:23 AM

If this is a petition, include me in.

karlm · 06-14-2006, 02:23 AM

"and some only let you see the referring url of sales, but not click throughs, that bugs me also"

Isnt that ccbill

studiocritic · 06-14-2006, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

If this is a petition, include me in.

if we're doing a petition, lets put a whole list of sponsor annoyances together.

what else pisses you guys off about sponsors? lets get a bunch of things together and i'll compile a list

scottybuzz · 06-14-2006, 02:39 AM

yeh more free gifts are needed to smaller affiliates, thats what bugs me.

TheJimmy · 06-14-2006, 02:50 AM

Had this discussion with a dating site affiliate rep just a few months ago, it's maddening to say the least.

Especially when THEY can see it in their panel...it's good info to let your traffic senders see what WORK IS WORKING!!!! Rent a few more boxes to let affiliates see that, it's valuable info and if you don't think so, pass me the pipe, you need to cut down for a few minutes. ;)

flashbang · 06-14-2006, 02:50 AM

some sponsors are so huge and that parsing the logs is the problem...
you may want to look closer, they may log the ones that sell or are deeper down..

PussyTeenies · 06-14-2006, 02:53 AM

it sucks..

busy trying to confince some sponsors that I want it

Jace · 06-14-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by flashbang

some sponsors are so huge and that parsing the logs is the problem...
you may want to look closer, they may log the ones that sell or are deeper down..

if they are that huge they can afford another server or two to handle the load

flashbang · 06-14-2006, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

if they are that huge they can afford another server or two to handle the load

well more comes in to play, do they have a clustered database system,
does the software support it, do they have logs setup right, where they can make a log file for each client.. that would be ideal.... imagine getting
5,000 hits per second from affiliates, thats alot of database activity

flashbang · 06-14-2006, 03:02 AM

also, the sponsors that don't offer this usually have campaign setups, and you must make a campaign to track whats converting... food for thought..

Jace · 06-14-2006, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by flashbang

well more comes in to play, do they have a clustered database system,
does the software support it, do they have logs setup right, where they can make a log file for each client.. that would be ideal.... imagine getting
5,000 hits per second from affiliates, thats alot of database activity

there are a few larger sponsors that use NATS and I can see referring urls, then there are smaller sponsors that use nats and I can't see referring urls

there isn't any rhyme or reason to it all

gooddomains · 06-14-2006, 03:11 AM

depends on the setup they have

venus · 06-14-2006, 03:16 AM

I thought affiliates being able to see their referring url was pretty standard, its hard for them to know what type of advertiseing is working without it. We show affiliates their top 100 referring url's.

Jace · 06-14-2006, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

I thought affiliates being able to see their referring url was pretty standard, its hard for them to know what type of advertiseing is working without it. We show affiliates their top 100 referring url's.

no, it is FAR less standard than I like it to be

in fact, I can count on one hand my active sponsors that show me referring urls...sad to, cause that is a HUGE part in finding out what works and what doesn't

venus · 06-14-2006, 04:08 AM

do they all use the same affiliate software of lots of different software?

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Originally Posted by Jace

no, it is FAR less standard than I like it to be

in fact, I can count on one hand my active sponsors that show me referring urls...sad to, cause that is a HUGE part in finding out what works and what doesn't

Jace · 06-14-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

do they all use the same affiliate software of lots of different software?

there are a wide variety of softwares being used, all have the capability of doing it, and some do and some don't

ElvisManson · 06-14-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

I don't understand why some sponsors don't let you see referring urls in stats, this should be a standard feature of any stats interface

and some only let you see the referring url of sales, but not click throughs, that bugs me also

None of our affiliate programs have referring urls in stas. but if you ask someone here it is not hard to get them to you.

Jace · 06-14-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

None of our affiliate programs have referring urls in stas. but if you ask someone here it is not hard to get them to you.

can I ask why you all don't provide them when they are available?

I am almost getting the point with my work that I NEED them when I evaluating what is going on with my sites, so when I see a program that doesn't have them I almost always pass up promoting them

It really is a necessity these days, how am I supposed to know where everything is coming from and how to work harder at one source of traffic? I know where my heavy traffic comes from, but when I can't see where people are clicking through it sucks and makes my job difficult

p1mpdogg · 06-14-2006, 12:10 PM

EpicCash offers reffering urls in our stats for affiliates. plus we pay $35 per signup!!!!

ElvisManson · 06-14-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

can I ask why you all don't provide them when they are available?

I am almost getting the point with my work that I NEED them when I evaluating what is going on with my sites, so when I see a program that doesn't have them I almost always pass up promoting them

It really is a necessity these days, how am I supposed to know where everything is coming from and how to work harder at one source of traffic? I know where my heavy traffic comes from, but when I can't see where people are clicking through it sucks and makes my job difficult

flashbang was right on the money with his explaination. Both with parsing the logs and clustered db's

Providing the referring urls just for sales would be a HUGE task for us.

We do offer other ways to track sales. Either mulitple campaigns or inserting up to a 64 chracter alpha numeric string after the link code and I am always prepared to send someone a spreadsheet as ofetn as they would like with their referring urls in it.

thaifan99 · 06-14-2006, 12:44 PM

wish friendfinder would show them.

Juilan · 06-14-2006, 01:09 PM

Much ignored are comprehensive stats and campaign tracking.

Jace · 06-14-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Juilan

Much ignored are comprehensive stats and campaign tracking.

you are right, I do not use campaign tracking as much as it could be...but when I have 150 campaigns across one domain it gets a little tedious to go in and have to assign a new campaign to each fucking page....now multiply that across 50 domains that I am actively using right now, and you can see how it is a BIG PAIN IN THE ASS

AmateurFlix · 06-14-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

If this is a petition, include me in.

ditto 78

venus · 06-14-2006, 01:20 PM

referring URL's is not a feature that is built into your affiliate tracking software?

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

Providing the referring urls just for sales would be a HUGE task for us.

We do offer other ways to track sales. Either mulitple campaigns or inserting up to a 64 chracter alpha numeric string after the link code and I am always prepared to send someone a spreadsheet as ofetn as they would like with their referring urls in it.

crockett · 06-14-2006, 01:23 PM

Personally I think it's pretty damn ridiculous that affiliate programs don't let us see referring stats. Umm hello affiliate programs you want us to send you more sales right? Well let us see where the fuck the sales we do send you are coming from.

This is one of my biggest gripes in this industry, so very few programs give you access to the stuff that would actually help you produce more sales.

ElvisManson · 06-14-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

referring URL's is not a feature that is built into your affiliate tracking software?

Our affiliate tracking software was coded in house. When we wrote it referring url's weren't even considered a part of affiliate tracking software.

venus · 06-14-2006, 01:32 PM

wow, thats pretty old software then. The affiliate software I used in 1999 had referring url's so it must predate that.

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

Our affiliate tracking software was coded in house. When we wrote it referring url's weren't even considered a part of affiliate tracking software.

venus · 06-14-2006, 01:32 PM

wow, thats pretty old software then. The affiliate software I used in 1999 had referring url's so it must predate that.

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

Our affiliate tracking software was coded in house. When we wrote it referring url's weren't even considered a part of affiliate tracking software.

venus · 06-14-2006, 01:55 PM

wow, thats pretty old software then. The affiliate software I used in 1999 had referring url's so it must predate that.

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

Our affiliate tracking software was coded in house. When we wrote it referring url's weren't even considered a part of affiliate tracking software.

venus · 06-14-2006, 01:57 PM

damn, must be some kind of gerbal in the system, that was posted 3 times.

Jace · 06-14-2006, 01:57 PM

another thing on the campaing issue, is that I use a central posting script to post to 25-30 sites, and in order for me to use the campaigns and make it work right, I would have to do away with my posting from one single txt file and use a txt file for each site I am posting to......and to be honest, I would rather do away with the sponsor than have to do that much tedious shit

Jace · 06-14-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

damn, must be some kind of gerbal in the system, that was posted 3 times.

i was wondering about that

i was wondering about that

i was wondering about that

pstation · 06-14-2006, 02:01 PM

You can do your own referral tracking, what i care about the most is that affiliate programs have a way of "injecting" a shopper id into the url so i can see what site sales/leads are coming from, since referral url's aren't that reliable.

Jace · 06-14-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pstation

You can do your own referral tracking, what i care about the most is that affiliate programs have a way of "injecting" a shopper id into the url so i can see what site sales/leads are coming from, since referral url's aren't that reliable.

are you talking about campaign tracking? how do you handle it across 40-50 domains and with hundreds of pages on each domain?

ElvisManson · 06-14-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

wow, thats pretty old software then. The affiliate software I used in 1999 had referring url's so it must predate that.

You are correct sir.

Jace · 06-14-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

You are correct sir.

time to update ;)

06-14-2006, 01:59 AM	#1
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	Why don't some sponsors let you see your referring urls? I don't understand why some sponsors don't let you see referring urls in stats, this should be a standard feature of any stats interface and some only let you see the referring url of sales, but not click throughs, that bugs me also

06-14-2006, 02:21 AM	#2
studiocritic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 2,442	yep.. very annoying. in mainstream those programs wouldn't get any traffic.. in adult, most of the affiliates are too clueless to know what to do with that info. so i guess its a matter of demand.. __________________ 254342256

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flashbang Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 767	also, the sponsors that don't offer this usually have campaign setups, and you must make a campaign to track whats converting... food for thought.. __________________ Your TGP traffic belongs to you again \| X Rated Words & Hard Links

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gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	depends on the setup they have

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venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	I thought affiliates being able to see their referring url was pretty standard, its hard for them to know what type of advertiseing is working without it. We show affiliates their top 100 referring url's. __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,818	Personally I think it's pretty damn ridiculous that affiliate programs don't let us see referring stats. Umm hello affiliate programs you want us to send you more sales right? Well let us see where the fuck the sales we do send you are coming from. This is one of my biggest gripes in this industry, so very few programs give you access to the stuff that would actually help you produce more sales. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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pstation Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 1,135	You can do your own referral tracking, what i care about the most is that affiliate programs have a way of "injecting" a shopper id into the url so i can see what site sales/leads are coming from, since referral url's aren't that reliable.