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Old 06-10-2006, 12:12 PM   #1
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Three inmates die at Guantanamo

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...and another one bites the dust.
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It is criminal what is happening there.
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It is criminal what is happening there.
I agree, it is criminal to keep those "inmates" alive
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hehe...right. they should've been punished long time ago
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hehe...right. they should've been punished long time ago

.. on what verdict ???

... following what trial ????


- most of the poor fuckers are there because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time ... and because AmeriKa has turned in a racist country ( half of it at least )....

You want guilty ones ??? go to Saudi Arabia, Yemen
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the media doesnt cover everything that happens over there and the US gov certainly contains a lot of incidents that might happen.
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.. on what verdict ???

... following what trial ????


- most of the poor fuckers are there because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time ... and because AmeriKa has turned in a racist country ( half of it at least )....

You want guilty ones ??? go to Saudi Arabia, Yemen
its racist to capture enemies on the battlefield?

or is it racist to suggest that suicide bombers are typically arabs who follow islam?
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its racist to capture enemies on the battlefield?

or is it racist to suggest that suicide bombers are typically arabs who follow islam?

No time to debate for nothing ....

These people were in the vicinity of the so called battlefield ... in Afghanistan, not in NY city ...

But if they are combattants, charge them and proceed with a trial ... After all, you guys are better then Saddam aren't you ?


For race, here is what your good friends did not so long ago :

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Questions are being asked about how the police and intelligence services handled an anti-terror raid in east London after the release of two men.

Brothers Abul Koyair, 20, and Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, who was shot during the raid, were freed without charge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5066846.stm
I'm sure if they would have been Irish name, that raid and shooting would not have happened ... at least now... 10 years ago, sure : Irish were their terrorists ....


Meanwhile, be proud of Guantanamo .. great example
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"Three inmates die at Guantanamo" is an incorrect title. "Three prisoners commit suicide" would be more accurate.
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i love all the "directfiesta against the usa" rhetoric. where would the world be without you alerting them to all thats wrong?

please show us this utopia where you live. please!? we promise we won't kill any puppies there or make any children cry. we just want to see this place where all is perfect and pretty little butterflies live forever. give us hope. show us this place that is above criticism and has no flaws and can do no wrong. show us the light. guide us to being better people.
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"Three inmates die at Guantanamo" is an incorrect title. "Three prisoners commit suicide" would be more accurate.
i am pretty sure the rate of death for a successful suicide hovers around 100%.
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It is criminal what is happening there.
I agree. Execute the terrorists already. They're a waste of space.
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"Three inmates die at Guantanamo" is an incorrect title. "Three prisoners commit suicide" would be more accurate.
You are wrong, as usual ...

You can " commit " suicide, but not die .... not successfull ... I am sure you will have a hard time to grasp this...

You die because of a car accident, an illness, a suicide ...

Dead is dead, tough not that sure in the USA ...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13246132/
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.. on what verdict ???

... following what trial ????


- most of the poor fuckers are there because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time ... and because AmeriKa has turned in a racist country ( half of it at least )....
It's pathetic that liberals have more sympathy for radical Islamic terrorists than they have for their own countrymen.

The prisoners in Guantanamo were captured on the battlefield fighting for Al Qaeda.

You are the equivalent of a Nazi sympathizer, demanding that we treat the guards at Auschwitz with respect.
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The prisoners in Guantanamo were captured on the battlefield fighting for Al Qaeda..
if they were, why not follow the geneva convention and give them a trial?
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if they were, why not follow the geneva convention and give them a trial?
Does the Geneva Convention require immediate trials for each and every enemy soldier captured on the battlefield? I wasn't aware of that. Link?
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if they were, why not follow the geneva convention and give them a trial?

this is GFY... they wont understand ...

On one side they are combattants, on the others terrorists ... while in reality they probably are just plain old folks ... After all, some have been released without charges ...

But " let's talk bout freedom, let's talk bout dmcracy... "
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Does the Geneva Convention require immediate trials for each and every enemy soldier captured on the battlefield? I wasn't aware of that. Link?
You just show how stupid you are ....
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this is GFY... they wont understand ...

On one side they are combattants, on the others terrorists ... while in reality they probably are just plain old folks ... After all, some have been released without charges ...

But " let's talk bout freedom, let's talk bout dmcracy... "
The Geneva Convention does not require that enemy prisoners of war be put on trial.

Other than that, great point.
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Nazi sympathizer, demanding that we treat the guards at Auschwitz with respect.

Here comes the nazi shit ...

BTW, GUARDS were treated according to the Geneva convention, and most were not charged, because they followed orders ... just like the Americans are never charged in Afghanistan or Iraq .. unless irrefutable proof they acted improperly ...

Now, continue comparing the prisonners in Guantanamo to prison gards ..

Funny, I would have the other way round:

Comparing US troops there to the Nazi guards ... same principle ( race based )...
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The geneva convention only applies to uniformed soldiers fighting for a country under a flag and the boys in Gitmo were fighting without uniforms for the Taliban which is not a country !
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The geneva convention only applies to uniformed soldiers fighting for a country under a flag and the boys in Gitmo were fighting without uniforms for the Taliban which is not a country !
It also applies to militias, not just guys who happen to be wearing a nice uniform.

The Geneva Convention does NOT require that enemy soldiers/militia members be put on trial.

Other than that, great point.
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I agree. Execute the terrorists already. They're a waste of space.
They are innocent untill proven guilty. God you are a grade A retard.
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Does the Geneva Convention require immediate trials for each and every enemy soldier captured on the battlefield? I wasn't aware of that. Link?
yup, they do from article 103:
"Judicial investigations relating to a prisoner of war shall be conducted as rapidly as circumstances permit and so that his trial shall take place as soon as possible."

been a few years hasn't it? http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm < if you want to read more about it..

problem is.. when five US soldiers were paraded in front of the iraqi television cameras for instance, mr Rumsfeld immediately complained that "it is against the geneva convention to show photographs of prisoners of war in a manner that is humiliating for them"...

so atleast he knows about the convention...
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The geneva convention only applies to uniformed soldiers fighting for a country under a flag and the boys in Gitmo were fighting without uniforms for the Taliban which is not a country !
They have not been allowed to have a fair trial. When 9-11 part 2 happens you will all ask "Why did this happen when we are the popular country USA?"
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I agree, it is criminal to keep those "inmates" alive
You have serious emotional problems. Just thought I'd tell you.

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Hawkeye believes the Iraq war was to fight Osama Bin Laden and his buddies. An intelligent dicussion regarding any of these topics can be far easily obtained in the monkey section of a local zoo.
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The Geneva Convention does NOT require that enemy soldiers/militia members be put on trial.
Let me know which school you went, so I don't send my kids there...

You went to school, didn't you ... ????

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Judicial investigations relating to a prisoner of war shall be conducted as rapidly as circumstances permit and so that his trial shall take place as soon as possible. A prisoner of war shall not be confined while awaiting trial unless a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power would be so confined if he were accused of a similar offence, or if it is essential to do so in the interests of national security. In no circumstances shall this confinement exceed three months.

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
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if they were, why not follow the geneva convention and give them a trial?
because they were not fighting for a national army and were classified as "enemy combatants" which does not entitle them to the same protections under the geneva conventions.
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because they were not fighting for a national army and were classified as "enemy combatants" which does not entitle them to the same protections under the geneva conventions.
sure they are, from article 4:

"2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory,"

so they are prisoners of war and protected by the convention..
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.. on what verdict ???

... following what trial ????


- most of the poor fuckers are there because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time ... and because AmeriKa has turned in a racist country ( half of it at least )....

You want guilty ones ??? go to Saudi Arabia, Yemen

I was actully agreeing with what you said and had some repect for you until i got to your last sentence, your just a kid.
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sure they are, from article 4:

"2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory,"

so they are prisoners of war and protected by the convention..
you asked for the answer... i gave you the answer. i did not say it was the right answer in everyones eyes. don't be an idiot thinking that a simple troll on gfy has all the answers to complex legal questions that governments have massive teams of legal people working on.
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i am pretty sure the rate of death for a successful suicide hovers around 100%.
D'uh.

Die = how did they die? Dying is not a deliberate act.

Suicide = tells us how they died. Suicide is a deliberate act.
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You are wrong, as usual ...

You can " commit " suicide, but not die .... not successfull ... I am sure you will have a hard time to grasp this...

You die because of a car accident, an illness, a suicide ...

Dead is dead, tough not that sure in the USA ...
What absolute crap.

You cannot 'commit' suicide if you are not successful; you can only attempt suicide and survive.

The correct title should be "3 inmates commit suicide" because that's exactly how they died.
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I wonder what hawkspastic is like. I bet it is some high school drop out who still has problems wanking.
Not sure about his wanking abilities Relish - and prefer not to know.

He's the same as the rest of the deviant tribal mob. They were bred to hate everyone, everything outside their own state. Chances are, he could not point to New York on a map (you seen the stats year in year out?).

The tools of the trade are one-liners - along the lines of "nuke them", "Execute the terrorists - they are a waste of space" blah.

The other tools of the trade include no knowledge - a vital qualification. Tho they will attempt to discuss scenarios and laws, but have never read those laws and reached the third sentence before getting bored.

Other tools include .. comes in varying forms.. but includes "righteousness", "religious" fever (cult style) and a need to keep uttering "labelling words" - stuff like "terrorist", "communist", "liberal" blah. It is a learned behavior and the "labelling words" make it simple - basically ya just have to hate them all - and life will be OK.

Having a dialog with any sense is impossible - apart from the one-liners which often have no meaning - logic is severely missing. Favorites are attemting to have a "discussion" when there is nothing to actually "discuss" - it's simply a matter of fact and already available for anyone who cares to read it. But they don't read.

If you care to look at websites of the, allegedly "reorganized", KKK - they are much the same in attitude. Basically deviant total retards with a brain cell malformation which has been used by the purveyors of hate.

Now.. about wanking - na.. I still don't want to know about that
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Why is that? Because I have no sympathy for the enemy? Or because I am not an emotional softy?
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Old 06-10-2006, 03:19 PM   #45
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Why is that? Because I have no sympathy for the enemy? Or because I am not an emotional softy?
HOw did you know they were the enemy when they were never put on trial? Should I have you shot because you live next door to a muslim?
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Old 06-10-2006, 03:22 PM   #46
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As usual, lots of stupid comments in here.
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Old 06-10-2006, 03:24 PM   #47
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HOw did you know they were the enemy when they were never put on trial? Should I have you shot because you live next door to a muslim?
Ok, let's play with your scenario... which inmates, exactly, are we talking about? Since you believe so heavily in their innocence, that means that you know each of their names and the exact circumstances and details of their arrest, correct? Or could it be that you have just heard that they are innocent and were wrongly imprisoned? Obviously, if they are still being detained, they are still being seen as a threat in some way.
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Old 06-10-2006, 03:24 PM   #48
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i love all the "directfiesta against the usa" rhetoric. where would the world be without you alerting them to all thats wrong?

please show us this utopia where you live. please!? we promise we won't kill any puppies there or make any children cry. we just want to see this place where all is perfect and pretty little butterflies live forever. give us hope. show us this place that is above criticism and has no flaws and can do no wrong. show us the light. guide us to being better people.
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Old 06-10-2006, 03:31 PM   #49
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Ok, let's play with your scenario... which inmates, exactly, are we talking about? Since you believe so heavily in their innocence, that means that you know each of their names and the exact circumstances and details of their arrest, correct? Or could it be that you have just heard that they are innocent and were wrongly imprisoned? Obviously, if they are still being detained, they are still being seen as a threat in some way.
Guilty .. until proven innocent ...

Seems to bre the new way of the Freedom USA ...

and this not only for Guantanamo, but also for 7 marines in Camp Pembelton ... They are accused ( at least they are accused, them ) of comitting atrocities in Iraq ... and kept in solitary confinment ...

Again, this is an abuse of powers ... They are not really a risk to society and should be freed until their trial is over ... Why solitary confinment ???? To keep them from talking ????

Your country is going to the shit with these people... too bad.
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Old 06-10-2006, 03:31 PM   #50
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Funny you guys dont make much of a fuss when they do it with explosives. In fact you defend their right to do that it seems.
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