The irony of this brutality is that scripture-based/law-based religions such as Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all grew out of the historical need to establish a moral system outside of individual power and will. At the time the differing texts that formed the Pentateuch in the bible, world affairs were run by erratic kings and princelings who were constantly at war and arbitrarily killing each other or their own people. By basing ideas of proper behavior on certain "unchangeable" or "principled" commands, Western religion aimed to protect the weak from the whims of the strong. Before "The Law" [the Ten Commandments and related regulations], the only "law" governing human relations were that of laws of men. Since men change their minds and varied their actions accordingly, a purely atheistic moral frame of reference [at least during ancient times] did not work too well. So, scripture-based/law-based religion was born.

The irony here is that supposed believers in scriptures have taken its commands to such extremes that their behavior goes against the conduct that such scriptures were supposed to produce.

Maybe it is time to re examine atheism. Not so much as a reaction to whacked out extremists but because maybe, at least in Western nations, there is a more humanistic rational body of law that can be enforced to regulate conduct--the law of the secular state. Maybe the time has come for secular law to take over the job initially monopolized by religion--behavior regulation. The law sets the minimal threshold for reasonable behavior and the individual is free to explore his/her own morality from that floor.

</okay, enough writing.... I'm turning on my AVS script and will start watching nudies again. Foster's Lager, anyone? >

[Labret]
the only ones I saw cutting off people's heads, hanging their own people without a trial in the city centre, shooting young women and stoning them to death as a show for the crowed, cutting the clitoris (depriving them of all sexual gratification) of young girls as initiation, call upon holy war on every occasion, taking down two towers in the middle of a city full of innocent people and more - are your muslim brothers and sisters.
All religions may be twisted but twisting the words of Muhamad has become a common art.
Funny to hear again and again dumb mofos say "Koraan calls for love and peace (ho - and if you dont like it we will cut your head off).
:321GFY

You cannot be serious.

Do I need to start quoting the Torah again showing all the instances where the God of Israel DEMANDED the extermination of entire cultures.

The Jews have committed more genocide over the centuries than the Nazis could have ever dreamed of. Your opinions have no merit as you belong to a culture who constantly cries about genocide, yet is guilty of the crime.

And people wonder why the Jews have been despised for centuries.

And the christians... just as guilty.

And just for shits and giggles. Why dont you pull some quotes from the Koran demanding the death of entire specific cultures. For every 1 you pull from the Koran, I will post 2 from the Torah.

My guess is you will pull none.

Homo.

Bud Dwyer I believe was a Pennsylvania senator or something back in the mid 80's who committed suicide on live television. The video is a fuckin' trip...

Apparently his office was being investigated for embezzlement and he was facing a trial and possible jail time, even though he may have been innocent. But before any of that could happen he called an emergency press conference, and right there in front of a room full of 100 people and on live local TV he opened a manilla envelope pulled out a gun and blew his fucking brains out.

Tame stuff though in comparison to the Daniel Pearl video.

Bob's video has been around for ages...very funny and fucking rocks..

I've never seen the clip. I could use a good shocking tonight; does anyone have a link to the clip?

Sorry buds video....not bob...do not want to lible the dead..

Ok here's Bud

http://www.buddwyer.com/see_bud.htm

thats fucking sick

pop

he's dead

people are fucked up

selling shirts of it is pretty uncool though...

http://www.buddwyer.com/index-in.php

I saw that bud tape on faces of death.,..

Selling t-shirts is cool...he was a crook, he took the choice to blow his brains out on TV....he now becomes a commercial success..think about how proud his family will be as they see someone walking down the road with a "Bud Brain Blowing" t-shirt...

im all for extremity and offensiveness.. but bud t-shirts are about as cool as selling picture frames with a "symbolic" amount of WTC metal.. it's not the offensiveness... the site "bud fan club" is cool.. he did invite that by doing what he did.. it's benefitting commercially from it that's lame. Then again i don't know whether he was actually found to be a criminal.. if so then yeah it's not benefitting from a tragedy.. just a crooks wish for public immortality..

i can't believe they were going "call a doctor" with half his brains on the ceiling..

I really do not think Bud is anywhere near what the WTC is..The WTC centre wasa terrorist act against innocent people..Bud on the other hand is a tosser who rung up the press, got them down with their cameras and then blew his brains out himself...I think it is great that people are making money by selling t-shirts. Anyone stupid enough to do what he did deserves to be ridiculed in death as he most probably was in life...I am now going to buy a t-shirt and pop round his house as I bet his wife is gagging for a bit...

i never said it was.. it's obvious - an old likely corrupt pollie vs 3000 innocent people.. merely pointing out the crass commerciality of it..

at any rate it's helping him get what he wanted by calling the press down there.. a place in history.. so i guess at least they're helping him out :)

these tapes r beyond sick

i dont know what posses people to do this, allah, go figure lol

These tapes are not sick...Bud Dwyer died for our entertainment..I am going to personally send a bunch of flowers to his widow, plus an offer of a shag, in thanks for her husband dying so that we can have a laugh...Thanks Bud..this Bud I am drinking is for you Bud...

plenty fucked up

just takes a gun out of the paper bag, dosen't even think about it really, just pulls the trigger

hes mental :)

I agree, his performance could have been better...maybe a few more lines...more camera action, better director etc..but he did the job..his brief - one gun, one bullet, brains on wall..he suceeded..OK make up and lighting could have been better, they all knew it was a one take shot (shot being the right word) but his performance in general was faultless...

My gf had nightmares last night of the daniel pearl video i showed her

So does anyone have the full video? If so, send me the link. I'll toss it on my server. All I have seen is the short version where they are cutting his head off after he is alread dead. The world needs to see that. There is no reason for the FBI to try to intimidate people.

everybody i have showed the video to hate arabas etc. even more now

i could see why the fbi wouldn't want the video out

Labret:
How many times, exactely, do you need to be attacked by a group of people before you realize they are an enemy?

Dude this is not about the FBI censoring it that you want to post it...it is due to us being slighty sick..like most people that out of curiousity want to see the whole graphic video..Be honest like me.." I want to see the Daniel Pearl full length feature video because I like feeling a bit scared"....I just like watching people die...fuck it someone ICQ me the bugger and I will let everyone hotlink it from my server...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahhaah

atleast you are to the point ;)

Actually, that's not quite right. I run a little hobby site that specializes in things that are graphic. But those things really happen in the world. It pisses me off when ANYONE tells me that I can't post that stuff. There is nothing illegal about it and it infringes on my right to free speech and freedom of the press (since the site does have a small, but loyal following it is considered press). yes, I like to shock people. I like to show people what this world is REALLY about. Videos like that don't shock me in the least anymore. But I want everyone to see Daniel Pearl getting killed. If nothing else, that might help stifle some of the sympathy some of these bleeding heart Americans are pouring all over the "poor misunderstood people of middle eastern heritage".

Sorry...I do apologise for associating you with people of my mould who just want to see some real death for once as opposed to feature films..I will call my nurse, get medicated and go back to my ward....

Haha, my medication is starting to kick in too so would you turn on your ICQ and hook me up with the video? I have a few thousand folks I would like to show the video to.

I have been in more fights with ******s than Arabs. I been in more fights with white christian men than Arab extremists. I have been in more fist fights with women than Muslim.

What should I do now?

And since XXXManager seems unable to answer my question, perhaps you would like to.

tame stuff nothing... i remember seeing that on faces of death back in high school... I've never seen so much blood run so fast..

bleh... it was nasty... :throwup

I thought they shot him... Goddam fucking cocksuckers. I say anyone that kills someone like that deserves to have their balls cut off and stuffed down their throat.

Harumph. What is it with humans fascination with death?

Why why why did I watch that video??? I'm going to be having nightmares for weeks now...ugh, that was just plain wrong.

it is wrong

i hope these fucks get punished for this, but i bet they won't because they can't find half of the people in the middle east who comit crimes anyways

I NEVER question it.

There are two only ways to go: complete freedom of speech or government mind control: you either have complete freeedom of speech or nothing.

Yes you are right. I just thought it was ironic that this came from the king of absurd blanket statements.

I can't beleive the ignorance of some people. I don't know where your head is but all sorts of religions have committed their fair share of atrocities over the years. It is ignorance that causes all the bad things to happen in this world. Please don't be ignorant and educated yourself before opening your mouth.

You are just adding flame to the fire.

I don't get it. Why in the hell would you want to see this tape? You know he was slaughtered and you know about the statement about being Jewish because that bit of the tape was shown on the news. So, why do you actually have to see a man being murdered. This isn't some lame horror film with fake blood this is real.

What is more, his family doesn't want this shown. So, why do you want to see the slaughter of someone when their family is begging you not to?

You think it gives you nightmares? I would imagine it does much more than that to the people that actually knew and loved him.

Why was here there? He was a journalist..they do things like that so that we can know what is happening in the world. This time he made a bad judgement call. I am happy in a way that my husband no longer does forgien reporting because I dont think i would cope very well with him reporting in a war zone.

Anyway, I find it truly grizzly that people - some of whom at the start of this thread didn't know who he was - want to see a human killed.

well said.

I think showing the tape is a good idea. By all accounts, Daniel Pearl was a decent guy. His death was senseless. By showing the tape, people get an up close look at exactly what kind of fucking animals we are dealing with.

The tape should be seen, not that i enjoy it, but all kinds of evidence that points to a crime should be made available to the public for our own debates.

This is a free country, i would like to see the facts and not what some henchman of george bush says (because they tell more lies than a liar)

There are more sick things out there that people should be trying to stop like child porn and all that bullshit.

You people whack off to murder clips?
:disgust

So, you think its okay to go against the wishes of this decent guys family?

Also, just knowing that he was killed in the manner that we already know about works for me to know that the people that did it were brutal.

Funny how we don't care about other journalists that get killed around the world. He is by far not the first and not even in that part of the world. Yet, there is no morbid desire here to witness their murders.

I am really starting to buy into the desensitsation to violence arguments. I want to live my life without ever seeing a person's throat taken out. I know it happens, I don't want it to happen and I certainly don't want my kids to see it. I want them to know that it happens of course..but I don't want them to get to the point where they have to see something in order to understand it was horrible and a crime against humanity. Part of the shock and hurt of the last year is that we have been smacked in the face at what it is like to witness death. Why would you want to see more death?

I hope that his unborn child gets to atleast be a teenager before he stumbles onto a clip on the internet of his father being murdered.

There is a difference between knowing how someone died and seeing it. Seeing it pissed me off to no end and dramatically changed my perspective on these matters. I say kill them all, kill every last fucking one of them. And yes, this is hypocritical and I don't give a shit. Daniel Pearl was an AMERICAN and as such, he is entitled to vengeance. These savages need to be taught that you don't fuck with our country, you don't fuck with our people. Ever. Do it and you die. Period.

I understand why the family wouldn't want this shown and believe me, I am sympathetic. It is one of the most horrible things I have ever seen in my life. But if there is a better way to fully illustrate exactly what we are dealing with, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Pity there aren't any videos of the crusades.

Also, last year in the UK an American toursit was killed. She was on a bus and some guy jumped on and grabbed her purse. She chased him out (it was the sort of bus where people jump on the back) and fell out of the bus and was killed.

If there was video of her being run over would you demand to see that and then demand vengance? Or it is okay because it was the UK and not Pakistan. Perhaps it matters that she was a tourist? She was still an American killed as a result of an attack in a forgien land.

Well Daniel Pearl was a journalist on a job in a dangerous part of the world reporting on a very dangerous conflict. He did know there was a possibility of being killed. It is very sad and I don't need to see him murdered to know that.

The UK is not a third world shithole that plays host to terrorists. Pakistan is. An American getting killed in the UK was most likely the victim of bad luck - an American getting killed in Pakistan was most likely the victim of terrorism.

Daniel Pearl's real mistake though was being a Jew wandering around a Muslim country. He was our Jew however and we cannot have our citizens being killed for sport.

Sjayne, it's good to have you back in the board :)

Maybe India will nuke Pakistan one of these days.