100......... :arcadefre

Funny, considering i run one actual adult site, and that site you are speaking of is on sedo.

Congrats! You can throw out words like 1u and ARIN, what are you going to do next, start talking about network penetration and NOP slides? Buzz off.

its funny, because the same guys who cry about an extra $20 for something like that are the same guys that hosting companies probably dont want.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yeah, im sure this moos guy knows nothing about hosting and he probably just looked those words up. you have no clue.

Ding Ding Ding We Have a WINNER!!!!!!

I don't require much support at all. I mainly request IP's as needed and run my own dedicated servers. I am in the consulting business and I deal with many people daily, many of which need hosting. I'm not complaining about $20, i'm complaining about hundreds.

You know theres a difference with small and large hosting companies, smaller companies get free IP space from their upstream providers.

However they whistle a different tune when they have to pay 2250 for a /19 or /20

Granted i'm more than happy to give out ip space if they can justify it i'm recooping my costs, however if i have someone that wants a /24 for no real particular reason.. theres going to be a cost somewhere.

Another few weeks and I should have my /19 from arin. :)

side note if your requesting a /24 i'm pretty sure you could afford it.

Kids at Tear2 huh? Resellers huh? Why don't you take your head out of your ass and stop thinking you know what your talking about okay? Before you start bashing, get your facts straight.

Have we ever flamed your company? Please stop smashing our company, its very unprofessional. You have no knowledge of our services, our support, or anything else for that matter.

Have a nice day :)

Jim

That's what I heard from Chio :D

Moose has has forgotten more about hosting than you know. Gratz on your third month in the biz and good luck.

If you pay for somrthing, it´s worth something. If you don´t pay, many think it´s worth nothing. So paying for iP´s is right, I think.

After all, $12 for 12 IP´s is not a big deal. Discussing this already has consumed more time and so was more expensive than to pay for the IP´s.

It was all discussed on page one - next! :thumbsup


If ya can't afford IP's - whether they are a dollar or $10 - get the hell out of this biz or find a host willing to give them for nothing. It's a biz thing - if your biz is worth anything to a host - they will give IP's.

Sorry, I promise to read all next time.:error

:1orglaugh I was not knocking you m4yadult - just picking up from your post and agreeing with what you just said! :thumbsup

You are right - if any webmaster can't afford a $1 for an IP - we might as well go back to sleep :)

It's not $1 that hurts, it's having a network of 500+ sites that kills ya :winkwink:

mrkris - I've paid far more the $500 in IP's to cover 500 sites - and with very good reason. :winkwink:

For ded servers - I'd never put 500 sites on a dedicated box anyway - and very rarely paid for IP's on a dedicated server.

There is a rumor baddog knows something about this :winkwink:

PS.. In the good old days I actually paid over $2K for a Class C for some insane reason :1orglaugh

I don't run 500 sites on one servers. The point I was making is that the cost adds up drastically, and you'd be a fool to pay it if you don't have to. If you are referring to Baddog + rumor is that you need multiple class-c's for SEO, then yes, welcome to SEO 101.

I think I got it right. But I tried to reply with a joke, which obvviously failed. It´s a problem to joke in a language which is not your mother tongue.:thumbsup

Actually from what you have posted thus far you don't really know much about hosting or basic business practices at all.:2 cents: :2 cents: Not to mention people skills..LMAO:1orglaugh

Frankly Kris.. agree.. but got better stuff to do than spend time bothering about $500 over a series of domains and over hell knows how many networks in whatever jurisdictions. There are many other considerations where is it easier and preferably to spend eg a dollar on an IP.

What exactly are you trying to "sell" here? :winkwink: Sounds like free IP's at Tier2 which is fine. Depends what the hosting is needed for and suppose everyone is different to a degree.

Its TEAR2 :) As in Tear2Hosting.com http://www.tear2hosting.com

Jim

Fuck.. it's begining to reduce me to tears the longer this thread goes on :pimp

So the thread title should be "Sign up for a hosting plan at tear2hosting.com"?

I'm not selling Tear2, you should read my post better.

As you can see I was asking a question. As for my people skills, I have great people skills when I am dealing with clients. I'm not dealing with clients here.

If Tear2 pays $1500 for IP's, and I bring them 4 dedicated servers for 1 year, at $100 a month, thats what, $4,800? This is mainly because of their IP promo. Looks like they turned quite a profit. Now how is that bad business? Please explain.

Ahh, the SEO IP myth.

While you wipe tears of laughter.... :1orglaugh

I was wondering why there was a thread instigated over concern for the financial well-being of other webmasters and how silly it is to pay for $1 IP's.

Perhaps they need to have a career change from web hosting to financial advisors.

Next challenge is free domain names - I don't see why anyone should pay for them :winkwink:

Not really knocking ya Tear2 - just knocking the spam. I'm sure you provide decent services.

My original question was wanting to understand the logic.

:1orglaugh

In mainstream hosting, you should see the horror story about domain names...

A lot of host offer them free if you host with them ... Naturally, nothing is free, it is just built in the price ...
When the client wants to migrate to another host to obtain better rate and/or features, he is informed that he doesn't own the domain name.

He has to buy it back at a hefty premium, or abandon it...

And the clients are in general neophytes when it comes to Internet, even more so hosting...


Now, to get back to the " supposed " original subject and the "answers" , if we were talking about the restaurant business , it could look like this:

- Why do some restaurant charge per plate ( a la carte ) ?
- While some have a " table d'hote all included "
- When some are buffet style ( all you can eat )
- Or even some give the food no charge ( some titty bars here do that )


I can tell you, by experience, that the quality of food decreases as you go down the above list :2 cents:

That ain't :2 cents: worth DF - it's $10K's worth :thumbsup

Totally agree and would not trust a host with any domain - hell.. ya can barely trust the domain registrar :1orglaugh

So true - I like the titty bar comparison:1orglaugh . So food in stripclubs sucks but the performers don´t.

Of course, everything is calculated and included in the pricing.

Shouldn't it be the other way round :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

That´s why i couldn´t resist quoting it...:winkwink:

Well, I guess they could turn quite a profit as long as they do not need the little things like System Adminstrators, Pencils, Electricity, Cables, Paper Clips, Bandwidth, Business Cards, Routers, Switches, Post It Notes, Servers, Air Conditioning or Chairs. It's the little things that always seem to eat into ones profit margins.

Disclaimer: Yes, I am a competitor. No, I did not add my sig here. No, I have never heard anyone say a bad word about http://www.tear2hosting.com so I am sure that they know what they are doing. I am just pointing out a flaw in Mr Kris' logic that MANY people seem to be under the same dilusions. This is not anything against Mr. Kris and this is in no way a slight against his hosting company...in fact, I may just be jealous that they figured out a way to do it and I cannot seem to.


--T

Wow. I had no idea the company could get away with only paying for the IPs. Holy cow, we are really getting ripped off.

So... what about the price of the servers? And bandwidth? And replacement parts? What about the data center lease fees? What about new and better equipment, like routers? What about office space? What about having competent techs, billing personnel, sales personnel, advertising, and all other employees needed? What about taxes? Insurance? How about office computers and printers?

Like I mentioned earlier in this thread... a $100 monthly server gives a very limited profit. The expenses clients never see are unreal. Companies offer $100 dedicated servers for several reasons, a major reason being its a great way to get you in the door and they hope you grow into a $500 package. Thats when they see profit. Until then, you may be paying for the owners McDonald's cheeseburger once a month.

IP's aren't cheap for hosting companies. It's just like any other feature you want added onto an account. It also takes time to setup the IP and add it to the account.

One thing that surprises me sometimes is how stingy some webmasters are about hosting. I push galleries and run my own TGP, so don't think I am coming off just as a rep for a hosting company.

I don't think you should expect free IP's because it is going to come out of the budget somewhere. I guess every place has their perks, but it shouldn't be expected in my mind. In a business that relies on hosts I've always been big for paying for good service, quality hardware, and support.

Glad you found a company that can afford to do it for free! Hopefully they can afford to stay in business!

You hit the nail on the head right here. There are a lot of people in this business that always want a deal, but then wonder why their $79 a month server is down all the time.

It's just like anything else... where do you see the chance for a higher profit margain; a $100 server or a $1,000? On a $100 server it may be the 2 Free IP's I gave you and the free control panel that eat up the small profit margain on that server.

Sly is right too, you can't just look at the expense of the server. Just like any other business you have to look at what they need to make to stay in business so you don't have to change hosts all of the time.

Well dudes, looks like I am gonna get sucked into this spam thread. Great pub for tear2. Moose, sly and the others who have defended the sale of ip's are right on the money. In adult clients tend to ask for greaat amounts of ip's and often try to keep cycling them for seo purposes and the like. IP's cost money in may ways and it is a huge bitch to try and get them from arin, its easier just to buy a hosting company and take their ip's. Arin is very stingy with them and if someone sells you a 100 dollar server and gives you 64 ip's for free thats bad business. what happens when the guy who wants 500 megs of bandwidth needs the same 64 ip's? No company can just go grab a new /20 from ARIN any more, so we all have to consider how to use our limited resources. ip's are limited, the adult community pays less for hosting then anyone else and the goal of any business is to make money, why is this such a problem? we are not the oil companies, our prices are very low, a dollar per ip is easily justifiable. lets all make money together, the best business relationships are where the customer and vendor realize the relationships value. if tear2 can make money that way then their rates have to be higher in other areas, other wise they will sink. thats a fact, and its a fact for all of us. my bandwidth rates are super low and we offer the largest peering range in adult, others offer services we cannot. hopefully as a prospective hosting client, one would take the time to understand the real costs of doing business. a 99 dollar server does not make on a big client, I try to treat everyone as well as I can and offer the best service I can, I know others who posted in here do the same. I respect them, know them, eat with them and buy em drinks. enough with these fake spam threads, seriously. I have run 3 ISP's, am in the who's who in american business for doing it, I actually know what all this takes, as for OC-3 I personally set that pricing level for ip's for adult purposes. want to know why I did it just contact me. I personally stand behind what we do. I know milan (the owner) does too. Further, I know the other guys who defended this practice, guys, I am with you.

Office Depot gives us all our supplies for free. :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Kids = yes
Resellers = yes
Head up my ass = yes

Feel better?

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Created on: 08-Mar-06
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I say just give it time :1orglaugh

C'mon Moose, just admit you're jealous.
People like you, and Sweet T, and Phil21 just can't compete with the L337 HaX0R who just rented his first colo cage on mommy's AMEX card.

He's in mommy's basement now planning to rule the hosting universe, soon you will all be PWN3D!!
:1orglaugh

:error :error you have no fucking clue do you?

Guess its time for some side drama in this thread.

Just want to say you are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

Hmmm and it keeps getting more amusing

HAHAHAHA :1orglaugh good one ;)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'll bet you mommy's AMEX card they don't even have a cage.:1orglaugh :1orglaugh