Read what I wrote again about the features Tony..

Then feel free to browse through google for a few hours and read up on the camera... CineFrame is a wonderful thing if 24p is really necessary (however realistically it isn't used much for what we do on the web, if at all).

"That said, there are plenty of reasons why even high-end pros might be interested in a closer look at this highly capable hardware. Among its list of new and unique features, perhaps the most interesting concept is the way Sony has tipped its hat to the many shops still using good old standard-definition DV. The HVR-Z1U (heck, let?s just call it the Z1 for brevity?s sake, with apologies to BMW and Minolta) is format agnostic, at least when DV is concerned, because it can record and play back HDV and DVCam in all its flavors including 60i, 50i, 30 frames, 25 or 24 frames. But the most impressive feat of this camcorder is its magnificent HD footage."

Then read on down below that where it references the info for 24p...

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/a...e.jsp?id=29230

"The HVR-Z1 is unique in its ability to record HDV and DVCAM images at 60i, 50i, 30, 25 or 24 frames per second-in either SD or HD. Switchable 60/50 capability is an advantage for anyone who needs to satisfy clients in both 60i/50i and NTSC/PAL HD and SD applications."

http://www.promax.com/Products/Detail/19008

I wonder now why it took almost a month to even find one of these in the US when they were first released. All the camera stores that advertised them could not keep them in stock because studios all over the country had pre-ordered 5 and 10 at a time. Most reality TV series are shot with these cameras, a few motion pictures have also been shot with them. I would motion to say that if it was a shitty camera, and HDV was a crappy format, that a lot of people have blown a lot of money on a lot of new Z1's over the last few months...

I'm too tired tonight to go back and forth, but I will swing back by tomorrow to finish this post up.

Yeah and every article in the mainstream press about any kind of HD camera just happens to use the "HDV" term, because all those articles are aimed right at us porn producers! Same with all those sales ads aimed at camera buyers, I'm sure those are all porn shooters too...lol

Gimmick - :1orglaugh

of you took the time to read one of the articles you posted:
Notice that ithahaha8217;s not actually able to shoot in 24p, but then this is not a bad thing at all.
No matter what bullshit he says after this it doesnt do it.

The z1 doesnt shoot true progessive and the reason there was a rush because there was no competition at the time.
The red chilli peppers video was shot with two hvx200.
Im not going back and forth anymore because I know what Im talking about, the z1 is a good camera but it doesnt compare to the panny.

i don't know much about video, but if it has firewire out why can't you record directly to a big HD in a high end laptop if you want to avoid tape?

i mean, is this possible?

Because there were no true hd camera's under 10 grand now there are. Porn shooters throw out the word HD like oh its special now,thats what I meant. My friend who is a professional tv videographer said many of the stations will not accept hdv tape.When it was used it becuase there was no other low cost option at the time now thats changed. He calls HDV a weak format and he shoots for cnn, espn, nbc, abc, pay per view sports events etc. This is why I will never buy the first gen of anything again I got burnt with e10 and learned my lesson.

yes a few options are coming out

If anyone here wants to ask Me about this cam,...shoot me an e-mail.

One of the issues that I see with some of the new HD cameras is that the cards can not keep up with the storage needed. My 20D shoots in 8.5 mp, and with a 1 gig card it is gone in no time. I had to get a 6 gig card.

Tony404 hit me up on ICQ when you have a minute!

Cincuenta!.........,.

u guys must be skimpin' on the cards.... we have a 3- 60gig cards

enuff for about 12 hours of video in HD (hdv)

The cards are cheap... (in comparison)

Which Sony was that? I've been looking at the FX1 and HVR-Z1U and I thought they both would move back and forth between SD and HD

What did you pay for the 60 gig cards? Are they P2 cards? As far as I knew 8 gig was the biggest they had so far.

dawg, no offense but you have no fucken idea what you´re talking about. how could possibly compare DVCPRO and HDV, and actually conclude that HDV is better? comparing the HVX to the Z1 is like comparing a M3 to a ford escort. 4:2:2 color space alone makes the whole difference. there is absolutely no amount of color correction in the world you can do to HDV footage, to make it remotely look like DVCPRO 50 or 100 footage.
HDV has so much compression artifacts to it, that is pretty much renders it shitty on output. you cannot try to squeeze HD footage on 25mbs DV tape without hella compression. compression simlply equals bad!

i would write more but i´m in brazil havin a good time. don´t be silly man. the Panny blows the fuckin Z1 no doubt. 4:2:2 vs 4:1:1 nothing to compare :)

i own both cams by the way. the Panny will change the way people shoot and think. want a tipo? don´t buy 8 gig cards. buy 4 gig cards, shot in 720pN (native) to get more footage on the cards. burn your 4 gig cards onto a single 4.5 gig DVD for backups/archive. works beatiful.

oh and yes, i am shooting with the HVX down here in brazil. shot with it in LA (3 day short) before i left to get a hang of it, as far as work flow (dumping P2 cards to my powerbook and stuff). if you´re using PC laptop, you can actually view the footage right away with the P2 Viewer from panasonic.

this cam is the bomb man.
- no more tape capture.
- review clips through thumbs on camera (no more rewind, forward shit).
- 4:2:2 color sampling.
- your CPU does not choke when editing (compared to HDV). nobody shoots 1080 anyways. it´s all about 720p. and 720p DVCPRO footage just looks so fucking good, even projected.
- too many too list. but you have to actually work with the cam to realize the fundamental shift.

aight man. let me stop jackin off with the panny. i´m out :)

One thing that people seem to be missing is the quality of lens. You can pick up a HDV cam for around $1000-$2000 but you lack the 3ccd lenses. That's where a lot of people go wrong. You sacrifice the quality. Sony's HDR-FX1 has both, and it will shoot HD or DV. You can shoot either or, depending on your consumer/client. I'm having to sell my GL2 so that I can pick up the extra work, and I'm ok with that.

And there is such thing as over doing it, if you got the $8,000 or so to pick up the Pani, then great, but most producers in "pornland" don't have that budget, at least not this guy. $3,500 is much easier to come up with than $7-$8 grand. That extra $$ can be put to locations, backdrops, better quality talent, accessories, etc.

Just my little input....

One thing that people seem to be missing is the quality of lens. You can pick up a HDV cam for around $1000-$2000 but you lack the 3ccd lenses. That's where a lot of people go wrong. You sacrifice the quality. Sony's HDR-FX1 has both, and it will shoot HD or DV. You can shoot either or, depending on your consumer/client. I'm having to sell my GL2 so that I can pick up the extra work, and I'm ok with that.

And there is such thing as over doing it, if you got the $8,000 or so to pick up the Pani, then great, but most producers in "pornland" don't have that budget, at least not this guy. $3,500 is much easier to come up with than $7-$8 grand. That extra $$ can be put to locations, backdrops, better quality talent, accessories, etc.

Just my little input....

Maybe I should mention that I not just shoot adult, I do some mainstream video work as well. Not as often as I would like but enough to consider this camera and offer clients every option possible.

What did you pay for the 60 gig cards? Are they P2 cards? As far as I knew 8 gig was the biggest they had so far.
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Cool cam!!! :thumbsup

It just got delivered. The battery is charging right now. Can't wait to start shooting with it. :thumbsup

I shoot well over 300 minutes each day. Yes the process of putting it from DV to PC pisses me off, but fuck having to keep changing cards.

That's top notch

I have the dvx100B, 24p is good for film quality look, but not for porn.

I'd say it could be the best HD camera out there because it actually has 24p HD, can't get any better.

Dude if you seriously shoot that much then you can simply get the external 100 gig drive you can put on your belt. Great solution. I think it will all go tapeless in the future, I do like the fact I can still shoot Mini DV as well:thumbsup

Sebastian

I always believe more is better. Yes it is a bitch to edit down but I would rather have something I dont need than not having something I need. I agree with you that tape will be dead very soon.

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/hvxbook/
he wrote the bible for the dvx100

Nice video cam! :)

Backups!

Mini-dv gives you a real life back-up once you have downloaded your footage.

Also how reliable are those discs? The ones for my Nikon fuckup all the time.