Who Killed The Electric Car...Movie exposes the truth

[Greg B]

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

[Screaming]

cool site layout.

[MikeVega]

Greg .. you ever get in touch with Pete about the toons .. I really needed those? if you can't do that that's cool just let me know.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by MikeVega

Greg .. you ever get in touch with Pete about the toons .. I really needed those? if you can't do that that's cool just let me know.

Maybe you oughtah pay em before asking that question?

Just a suggestion.

[Basic_man]

This will be one interresting movie. There's one about pollution and natural disaster too..

[MikeVega]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Maybe you oughtah pay em before asking that question?

Just a suggestion.

I'll pay him whenever he wants ... some guys want Half upfront ..some want it all when they are done ... I'm not going anywhere .... I'll never pay in full I need to see that the guy is at least going to start the work ..

Not sure why the fuck you care so much I don't recall you being his broker ... He said send over the pics and I'll get started ..i'll have them in a week ...(he spoke to Pete) he's done work for me in the past and it's his responsibility to say I need full payment or i need half up front ...I'm giving him biz ... If someone asks me to do work for them I tell them what the terms are.

I Kinda wanted you to do some some work for me but you've been a bit of a dick lately .. do you really expect me to pay you in full before seeing the work started ..

[MaddCaz]

wow hmmm

[tony286]

its not surprising at all

[booker]

We live in a country full of lies and corruption, it's quite apparent. Between energy crisis, pollution & the environment, national insecurity, the economy and a host of other issues, the decisions from our leaders and policy makers have run completely amok.

Some might argue with me, that our economy is better than 8 years ago. With the latest bout of creative accounting and corporate fraud, including Fannie Mae, it's clearly not any better and might even be worse.

Just look at the way police departments spend valueable resources (officers, vehicles, equipment) these days.. giving out a multitude of speeding tickets and other bullshit tickets to generate revenue for the local government. I've been pulled over 2 times in the last 2 years between 11pm and 3am where I live, none of those times had I been drinking. The pretext? An "unsafe lane change" when the cop was tailgating me so close I couldn't see his headlamps, and not using my turn signal. Completely out of control, as a country we have lost focus on what is important and what moves us forward.

[Juggernaut]

I'm convinced they design them ugly on purpose.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by MikeVega

I'll pay him whenever he wants ... some guys want Half upfront ..some want it all when they are done ... I'm not going anywhere .... I'll never pay in full I need to see that the guy is at least going to start the work ..

Not sure why the fuck you care so much I don't recall you being his broker ... He said send over the pics and I'll get started ..i'll have them in a week ...(he spoke to Pete) he's done work for me in the past and it's his responsibility to say I need full payment or i need half up front ...I'm giving him biz ... If someone asks me to do work for them I tell them what the terms are.

I Kinda wanted you to do some some work for me but you've been a bit of a dick lately .. do you really expect me to pay you in full before seeing the work started ..

One thing is certain, Mike always does pay.

On another side note, he doesnt chat with me anymore.

[Xplicit]

One thing that hasnt been explained - has there been a study to show the effects of everyone needing to recharge their car regularly??

What would that do to energy/electricy demand?

Would the current electrical grid structure hold up?

Can power companies even supply enough electricity to the public to replace gas?

How would they generate that electricity, and what would the extra demand mean for the environment?

I'm not against it, just some major unanswered questions.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Xplicit

One thing that hasnt been explained - has there been a study to show the effects of everyone needing to recharge their car regularly??

Does not really matter that much. That is like doing a study to see what would happen if everyone got an electric space heater.

Originally Posted by Xplicit

What would that do to energy/electricy demand?

Naturally it would increase it a bit.

Originally Posted by Xplicit

Would the current electrical grid structure hold up?

Grids can be added to.

Originally Posted by Xplicit

Can power companies even supply enough electricity to the public to replace gas?

Yes, from generated with natural gas, solar, hydro electric, more efficient wind turbines, or nuclear.

Originally Posted by Xplicit

How would they generate that electricity, and what would the extra demand mean for the environment?

Natural gas is ok, solar is fine, more efficient wind turbines, hydro electric though that one is touchy, and nuclear of course.

[sweetgirl2006]

thats going to be a good movie to go see.

[booker]

Good questions Xplicit.. some of the general answers I've heard include:

The effect of everyone needing to recharge wouldn't be that great. The charging process doesn't require a lot of current, because it is merely reversing the chemical process that took place within the battery. The alternator on your IC engine car does the same thing now.

The average demand would go up. However, there wouldn't be a spike. The reason for this is that most people will recharge at night, when many other demands for electricity aren't being used (lights, washer/dryer, etc.)

Hence, the delivery structure (grid) would be able to handle the increased average demand, because there are no major spike periods.

I don't know whether they can supply enough to replace gas right away, but I don't think anyone is saying we should transition right away. It's a phased approach, reducing the number of new fossil fuel cars and increasing the alternatives. Personally I'm a fan of laws mandating that manufacturers produce a certain number of hybrid/electric/alternative vehicles before they are able to produce limited numbers of SUVs and sports cars that are relatively fuel inefficient. Likewise, provide tax benefits to those manufacturers for doing so, to offset the costs of redesign and retooling to get their alternative fuel production lines up to speed.

The govt is in the business of providing incentives, a glance at our tax code, particularily for real estate, is evidence of this. The govt wants people to invest in real estate because the govt. is so bad at providing housing on its own. Therefore, they provide huge tax "loopholes" for real estate investors.

Generation of electricity, even if nothing changed, would of course produce more CO2. However, that CO2 is produced at the power plant, where it is treated all together. It isn't a huge difference, but it is a difference, opposed to a billion cars all putting out a little CO2. If piss poor decisions hadn't been made over the last 20 years, perhaps we would have safe, reliable nuclear power across the nation providing gobs of electricity.

As a side note.. with all the nuclear plants we do have, isn't it odd that "terrorists" decide to wage their Jihad attack against... the world trade center?? Meanwhile, a major argument against new nuclear plants is vulnerability to terrorist attack? Something isn't right.

I don't know all the answers, but that's some of what I've heard and read.

[MikeVega]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

One thing is certain, Mike always does pay.

On another side note, he doesn't chat with me anymore.

I'm sorry bro ... just have a lot going on ..i'll be in the office tomorrow ...hit me up ..we'll Cyber ..

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by MikeVega

I'm sorry bro ... just have a lot going on ..i'll be in the office tomorrow ...hit me up ..we'll Cyber ..

Ill bring the lube, you bring the beta usb user controled fleshlight.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by MikeVega

Greg .. you ever get in touch with Pete about the toons .. I really needed those? if you can't do that that's cool just let me know.

Why didn't you just email me instead of using a thread?

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Xplicit

One thing that hasnt been explained - has there been a study to show the effects of everyone needing to recharge their car regularly??

What would that do to energy/electricy demand?

Would the current electrical grid structure hold up?

Can power companies even supply enough electricity to the public to replace gas?

How would they generate that electricity, and what would the extra demand mean for the environment?

I'm not against it, just some major unanswered questions.

The thing with electric is it doesn't take that much to generate electricity. It's our prehistoric approach that makes it look difficult. I've worked for years trying to get funding and representation for alternate energy researchers and inventors and I'll tell you up front it's the dirtiest, scummiest, most ruthless business you could imagine. Worst of all half of the inventors are either geniuses with no fucking clue how to market their stuff or they're scumbag marketers with a half assed invention. I dropped out of it totally after 2 guys died mysteriously and one just turned into a freakin' shivering coward after he got a 'visit' one night. Oh, and another is so goshdanged crazy he thinks angels are beating him up. Fucking totally psychotic business. I'll sit back and wait for the existing technologies that have been around for decades to come to light. That'll really piss you guys off that for decades there shouldn't have been an oil crisis.

What's worse is if you look at the cost of a gallon of gas and look at how much of that is taxes you'll see that the cost of gasoline isn't shit. It's the taxes that fuck you.

[Penthouse Tony]

These guys keep down the electric car.

[Pete-KT]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Why didn't you just email me instead of using a thread?

Ive been contacting you for over a week now on AIM, but you always ignore it, So the last thing to do was call you out on GFY and you still ignored it, Here is a link if you want.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=greg

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

These guys keep down the electric car.

was thinking the same thing

[Tom_PM]

It's a really sad state of affairs that we allow people like this to force us to consume energy that we dont need, or want to. I've posted many times that my new vehicle from 1996 gets 40 MPG highway. You cant find a gasoline engine in a 2006 car that gets 40 MPG. Why?

[Hollywood376]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

It's a really sad state of affairs that we allow people like this to force us to consume energy that we dont need, or want to. I've posted many times that my new vehicle from 1996 gets 40 MPG highway. You cant find a gasoline engine in a 2006 car that gets 40 MPG. Why?

in 1985 the government removed the regulations that made auto manufactures increase mileage on their cars. Since then, the avg horsepower has increaed as well as average weight (SUV's) and the average mileage has remained constant.

[Tom_PM]

Sure, but in 1985 there were no cars getting 40MPG, but some manufacturers still made improvements. But they just quit and degraded. That should be intolerable to us..
I just rememeber all the stations being out of gas, and MILES long lines at gas stations waiting for a delivery when I was a kid during the 70's. So when I needed a new car 10 yrs ago, I shopped purely on MPG. It's just sad that you can't get an all gas engine these days anywhere near that. Maybe GM should retool all of their 4 cylinder engines back to the 1996 saturn sl2 engine.
Those idiots go bigger and more wasteful, but if they'd just use their heads for once, they'd make a fortune that lasts longer than a few years.

[GatorB]

Show me a guy that actualy invents an affordable reliable car that uses no gas or other petroleum based fuel and I'll show you a guy who comes up misssing very shortly thereafter.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Show me a guy that actualy invents an affordable reliable car that uses no gas or other petroleum based fuel and I'll show you a guy who comes up misssing very shortly thereafter.

Happens too frequently. If you think the casualty rate is high amongst alternate energy researchers you should see the microbiologists death rate. Higher percentage than guys in gangs.

It's a fucking shame we've gotten to the point where with all the miraculous technologies out here we have global organized crime cabals fucking us silly six ways to Sunday and the people won't stand up. Maybe this new SONY flick will break through.

If Oil were to collapse in value the loss in tax revenue is the big thing. They'd have to find something else to tax highly like water or air.