X-Men 3 Spoilers and Comments

[Young]

O.K just came back from the movie. I'm not a crazy X-Men comic book fan, I was a huge fan of the cartoon. To tell you the truth the only reason I know of most comic book characters are from cartoon spinoffs. Not a fan of comics....so this is a review from a non comic fan.

For those who haven't seen it then stop reading. For those who have or aren't going to bother here goes...

The movie was sloppy, and had more plot holes then a fucking cemetary. They killed off popular mutants left and right withouth any real purpose. If the death of Cyclops was meant to strike emotion then they completely missed the target on that one. So basically....Cyclops died for the sake of dying....nothing more. I didn't feel bad when he died...I didn't even have a chance to reflect upon it. Add to that the deaths of Soundwave, Jean Grey (why didn't Wolverine just inject her with the cure) and the apparent "death" of Professor Xavier (no he doesn't die, should have stayed for post credits revelation scene!) and you have one big fucking pointless mess.

Cameo's were made by Jubilee for maybe half a second. How did I know it was Jubilee? The fucking credits told me it was Jubilee.....purple hair and asian. I should have put 1 and 1 together. Angel was probaly the most pointless cameo in the whole fucking movie...completely worthless. ESPECIALLY considering that in X-Men 2 the blueprints for Arch-Angel can be seen in the movie...For those that don't know Arch-Angel is the result of Angel dying or something like that.

So they kill of Cyclops, Jean Grey, and about 100 other mutants....maybe this was a lame attempt at assuring there would be no X-Men 4? Or maybe they would like to introduce newer characters in X-Men 4?

For those that did not stay until the end of the movie....Professor Xavier transfers himself into another persons body. Maybe this was a lame attempt by Brett Ratner to assure there would be an X-Men 4 even though Patrick Stewart said no to another sequel.

Next movies up in the franchise is Wolverine: The Prequel and Magneto: The Prequel. Hopefully they don't hire this fucking hackjob to fuck up those two movies.

[wedouglas]

What happened at the end credits? I didnt stay damit. Did Magneto move it or Xavier. It was kind of left open if you didnt see the end i guess.

[Screaming]

still going to see it

[wedouglas]

Well i'm glad I didnt stay for the end. I thought this would end the trilogy and that they would simply pick a different saga of x-men for the next movies.

Also, Angel gets his wings ripped out by Apocolypse. Obviously that is a differnet chapter in the X-men franchise. The thing that makes killing so many characters ok is that it can start over completely. Have you ever read the comics? Characters die and comeback all the time. There are so many different story lines that make it ok.

[Young]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Well i'm glad I didnt stay for the end. I thought this would end the trilogy and that they would simply pick a different saga of x-men for the next movies.

Also, Angel gets his wings ripped out by Apocolypse. Obviously that is a differnet chapter in the X-men franchise. The thing that makes killing so many characters ok is that it can start over completely. Have you ever read the comics? Characters die and comeback all the time. There are so many different story lines that make it ok.

Yup at the very end the Vegetable that Charles shows in the begining of the movie to the kids is shown in a room in vegetative state. The female doctor shown in the video enters the room and says good morning to the apparent vegetable. The veggie responds in Charles' voice and the doctor completely shocked responds with "Charles!?". So one can assume Charles transferred himself to the body.

I doubt that there would be any continuity from this figuring it was put in the last frames of the movie...and only 4 other people stayed behing along with myself to catch it.

And as far as bringing characters back...it works differently when it's a movie.

Oh and just to comment...I can see why the Silver Surfer is in development hell, and why Iceman and Collusus will never get their own movies. The effects look unfinished. Collusus wore a reflective suit so they could fit the scenes in the budget...but Iceman did have about 5 seconds on the screen when he is in full Iceman ice suit thingy and it looks horrible. You figure for 5 seconds they could have made it look some what decent.

I am looking forward to Superman and Spiderman 3.

Oh and did you catch Stan Lee's cameo in the very start of the movie?

[Edman18]

I will see it tomorow night..

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by Young

For those that did not stay until the end of the movie....Professor Xavier transfers himself into another persons body. Maybe this was a lame attempt by Brett Ratner to assure there would be an X-Men 4 even though Patrick Stewart said no to another sequel.

They would still have a hard time bringing him back as a mutant. He transfered his consciousness to another brain in a different body (presumably a body doesn't have the "mutant X gene". His mutant body was destroyed.

Where was Night Crawler or Gambit?

[Penthouse Tony]

Oh btw I had no sad feelings about Cyclops dieing. He's a tool and I get bored with the whole Cyclops/Wolverine tention thing.

[Young]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

They would still have a hard time bringing him back as a mutant. He transfered his consciousness to another brain in a different body (presumably a body doesn't have the "mutant X gene". His mutant body was destroyed.

Where was Night Crawler or Gambit?

wow i just realized Night Crawler was missing.

Gambit was written out of the movie after "Sawyer" from Lost (Josh Holloway) declined the role.

But Fox has just confirmed there will be more X-Men to come (think 4,5,6) with new characters.

I'm thinking X-Men 4 with a cameo from Storm, the new Professor X, Iceman, Jubilee, Gambit, Angel, Kitty, Collosus and anyone else that I may be forgetting.

What Ratner essentially did was assure that he would not be back. He also killed off or de-mutanized every character who would not be making a return. Cyclops, Jean, The original Professor X, Magneto (his own prequel is coming) and a bunch of others.

[vvq]

i thought it was really sloppy, rushed, and full of plot holes. i don't understand why magneto couldn't stop the needles in the cure dart thingies? also he moved the fucking golden gate bridge. why the fuck didn't he just drop the entire fucking bridge on top of the room where the kid was. i also like how wolverine traveled from new york to california and back insantly. so many little things wrong with this movie made it fucking stupid.

[Penthouse Tony]

Here is another one. How did juggernaut easily breakthrough the several feet of concrete easily but he couldn't get out of the metel shackles that were holding him in the beginning?

[Irrum]

Originally Posted by Young

O.K just came back from the movie. I'm not a crazy X-Men comic book fan, I was a huge fan of the cartoon. To tell you the truth the only reason I know of most comic book characters are from cartoon spinoffs. Not a fan of comics....so this is a review from a non comic fan.

For those who haven't seen it then stop reading. For those who have or aren't going to bother here goes...

The movie was sloppy, and had more plot holes then a fucking cemetary. They killed off popular mutants left and right withouth any real purpose. If the death of Cyclops was meant to strike emotion then they completely missed the target on that one. So basically....Cyclops died for the sake of dying....nothing more. I didn't feel bad when he died...I didn't even have a chance to reflect upon it. Add to that the deaths of Soundwave, Jean Grey (why didn't Wolverine just inject her with the cure) and the apparent "death" of Professor Xavier (no he doesn't die, should have stayed for post credits revelation scene!) and you have one big fucking pointless mess.

Cameo's were made by Jubilee for maybe half a second. How did I know it was Jubilee? The fucking credits told me it was Jubilee.....purple hair and asian. I should have put 1 and 1 together. Angel was probaly the most pointless cameo in the whole fucking movie...completely worthless. ESPECIALLY considering that in X-Men 2 the blueprints for Arch-Angel can be seen in the movie...For those that don't know Arch-Angel is the result of Angel dying or something like that.

So they kill of Cyclops, Jean Grey, and about 100 other mutants....maybe this was a lame attempt at assuring there would be no X-Men 4? Or maybe they would like to introduce newer characters in X-Men 4?

For those that did not stay until the end of the movie....Professor Xavier transfers himself into another persons body. Maybe this was a lame attempt by Brett Ratner to assure there would be an X-Men 4 even though Patrick Stewart said no to another sequel.

Next movies up in the franchise is Wolverine: The Prequel and Magneto: The Prequel. Hopefully they don't hire this fucking hackjob to fuck up those two movies.

I agree 100% I left the movie so upset, Part 2 was kick ass. But this one was so disappointing. You know why didnt wolverine just inject her with a cure?? I hated the fact that they killed off so many mutants and what was up with the scene at the end of the credits with the professor. I was in the theatre with only 10 people left who knew about it, everyone else missed it

[MetaMan]

holy fuck you people are picky. if you sat there and picked at every single art of every movie they would all be shit.

the movie is for entertainment, none of you are professional critics.

i like the movie lots, and i also was a HUGE fan of the comic book AND cartoons.

i liked it lots, there is so many characters in the xmen series that you could have 300 different movies and not properly develop the characters.

[Young]

Originally Posted by Irrum

I agree 100% I left the movie so upset, Part 2 was kick ass. But this one was so disappointing. You know why didnt wolverine just inject her with a cure?? I hated the fact that they killed off so many mutants and what was up with the scene at the end of the credits with the professor. I was in the theatre with only 10 people left who knew about it, everyone else missed it

My belief is that Brett Ratner went into this movie assured that it would be the last one. Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, and Halle Berry all confirmed this to be true. It was made aware to them that Fox Movies was going to go ahead with plans to develop both a Wolverine prequel, and a seperate Magneto prequel. Both would turn into their own seperate Franchises.

So Fox in order to captalize on the "last one" rushed X-Men 3 into the movie theaters to beat out Superman. When in actuality if it was given the amount of production time it deserved it would have been in a race with Spiderman 3 to the box office.

So Ratner did what he thought would be a service to "Fan Boys". He squeezed 90 different plots, and all the characters into one movie. He killed off a bunch of the main characters, and rendered a couple of others powerless since this definately would be the last one. So he thought...

A week before X-Men 3 opened they announced the possibility that there would be more. Now after the record opening it is confirmed...there will be more X-Men.

[Young]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

holy fuck you people are picky. if you sat there and picked at every single art of every movie they would all be shit.

the movie is for entertainment, none of you are professional critics.

i like the movie lots, and i also was a HUGE fan of the comic book AND cartoons.

i liked it lots, there is so many characters in the xmen series that you could have 300 different movies and not properly develop the characters.

So you have to be a professional critic in order to have an opinion on a movie?

[Irrum]

Originally Posted by Young

My belief is that Brett Ratner went into this movie assured that it would be the last one. Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, and Halle Berry all confirmed this to be true. It was made aware to them that Fox Movies was going to go ahead with plans to develop both a Wolverine prequel, and a seperate Magneto prequel. Both would turn into their own seperate Franchises.

So Fox in order to captalize on the "last one" rushed X-Men 3 into the movie theaters to beat out Superman. When in actuality if it was given the amount of production time it deserved it would have been in a race with Spiderman 3 to the box office.

So Ratner did what he thought would be a service to "Fan Boys". He squeezed 90 different plots, and all the characters into one movie. He killed off a bunch of the main characters, and rendered a couple of others powerless since this definately would be the last one. So he thought...

A week before X-Men 3 opened they announced the possibility that there would be more. Now after the record opening it is confirmed...there will be more X-Men.

.



You know what would have been cool if that angel dude joined the XMen, when he was watching them leave to go to Alcatrez. I thought that was goin to happen when Iceman was saying there is only 6 of them. Cause besides flying he is supposed to be really strong.

Also, I thought at the end with magneto in the park playing chess, I thought mystiq would show up now being human to seek revenge, since he just left her hanging. Hey if they were on a roll with killing everyone they should have added him.

I was surprised Rogue dropped her powers.

Just my thoughts

[vvq]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

holy fuck you people are picky. if you sat there and picked at every single art of every movie they would all be shit.

the movie is for entertainment, none of you are professional critics.

i'm sorry but most movies don't have huge inconsistencies that you have to ignore for the movie to make sense. this guy can control metal and move the fucking golden gate bridge, but he can't stop the needles in some darts?

[Michaelious]

I want to hunt down the director, that's how much i hated it

[Ohface]

Originally Posted by Young

O.K just came back from the movie. I'm not a crazy X-Men comic book fan, I was a huge fan of the cartoon. To tell you the truth the only reason I know of most comic book characters are from cartoon spinoffs. Not a fan of comics....so this is a review from a non comic fan.

For those who haven't seen it then stop reading. For those who have or aren't going to bother here goes...

The movie was sloppy, and had more plot holes then a fucking cemetary. They killed off popular mutants left and right withouth any real purpose. If the death of Cyclops was meant to strike emotion then they completely missed the target on that one. So basically....Cyclops died for the sake of dying....nothing more. I didn't feel bad when he died...I didn't even have a chance to reflect upon it. Add to that the deaths of Soundwave, Jean Grey (why didn't Wolverine just inject her with the cure) and the apparent "death" of Professor Xavier (no he doesn't die, should have stayed for post credits revelation scene!) and you have one big fucking pointless mess.

Cameo's were made by Jubilee for maybe half a second. How did I know it was Jubilee? The fucking credits told me it was Jubilee.....purple hair and asian. I should have put 1 and 1 together. Angel was probaly the most pointless cameo in the whole fucking movie...completely worthless. ESPECIALLY considering that in X-Men 2 the blueprints for Arch-Angel can be seen in the movie...For those that don't know Arch-Angel is the result of Angel dying or something like that.

So they kill of Cyclops, Jean Grey, and about 100 other mutants....maybe this was a lame attempt at assuring there would be no X-Men 4? Or maybe they would like to introduce newer characters in X-Men 4?

For those that did not stay until the end of the movie....Professor Xavier transfers himself into another persons body. Maybe this was a lame attempt by Brett Ratner to assure there would be an X-Men 4 even though Patrick Stewart said no to another sequel.

Next movies up in the franchise is Wolverine: The Prequel and Magneto: The Prequel. Hopefully they don't hire this fucking hackjob to fuck up those two movies.

Only want to see it if that Storm Chick gets Nacked!

[Adultrental Steele]

Worst of the 3 movies, I agree with the fact that there was way too many plot holes, and the deaths seemed kinda tacked on. the movie needed like an extra 1/2 hour to fully flesh out all the new characters and twists. I woulda been really pissed if not for the last scene, and the one after the credits. At least we haven't really lost the ones who got the cure.

I knew Prof X wasn't really dead cause he was talking about the ethical implications of transferring his mind to someone in a coma earlier. Moira clones Prof X and they have a kid in the comics, Mutant X, the mutant serial killer, so hopefully they incorporate that in a sequel too. And that Iceman/Torch fight blew...they coulda done so much more with that.

And finally, Magneto seemed really out of character for dropping Mystique like that...they didn't even know that if the cure was permenant or not. you know that'll come back to haunt him if they do X-men 4

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by vvq

i'm sorry but most movies don't have huge inconsistencies that you have to ignore for the movie to make sense. this guy can control metal and move the fucking golden gate bridge, but he can't stop the needles in some darts?

you people do not pay attention, all the guns were switched to plastic based ones, how do you know the needles werent also plastic?

for the first post, cyclops is not dead, there was no cure for jean grey, its in her mind, and the phoenix can come out at anytime, which it does multiple times in the comic.

juggernaut cant break out of the metal because it is specially designed for mutants.

jubilee does not matter, you have 1.5 hours to build up like 2 characters, there is only so much you can do.

none of the mutants will lose their powers, they will spin it off like that the cure doesnt last and the mutants will be back.

[ModelPerfect]

To comment from a comic readers' point of view, there were undeveloped lines that make things look sloppy, because they really couldn't go into it. Here's just a few random comments.
(1) It was never confirmed that Cyclops died. They insinuated the heck out of it, but no mutilated body = not dead in movie world (and even a mutilated body doesn't mean much in some cases)
(2) Xavier does die and get a new body in the comic, and could then walk again. His powers are mental, in his consciousness, and that consciousness was moved into his new body = he still has his powers. In the comic, the new body was with the help of the Shi'ar, I believe.
(3) The phoenix saga is WAAAAAYYYYYYY more complex than in the movie...I won't even get into that.
(4) Juggernaut should have died when Kitty Pryde un-phased him into the floor, because his atoms would have fused with the floor = not good. (as a side note, did anyone catch the reference "Do you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"?)
(5) There are several times in the comics where they use power inhibitors in shackles, so maybe that's what they did which Juggernaut, although that is definitely a stretch (Mystique didn't have the inhibitors, but her powers aren't as dangerous). And why didn't they do anything with the trademarked helmet issue of Juggernaut? It's like the underlining theme of *every* fight with him to remove the helmet.
(6) Rogue and Wolverine both lose their powers at some point in the comic, but of course get them back (as I'm assuming Rogue and Mystique will, since it looked like Magneto was regaining his).
(7) Lots and lots of mutants died in the "mutant massacre" series, so it wasn't necessarily gratuitous what they did in the movie.
(8) Angel was very undeveloped, but probably because they didn't have time, but wanted to use Warren Enterprises and foreshadow for ArchAngel in a sequel...
(9) The needles were all plastic, which means Magneto wouldn't have seen, nor sensed them.

Well, I haven't read the comic in about 12 years, so I'm missing and forgetting a lot, I'm sure, but there's some rardom geek comments.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by ModelPerfect

To comment from a comic readers' point of view, there were undeveloped lines that make things look sloppy, because they really couldn't go into it. Here's just a few random comments.
(1) It was never confirmed that Cyclops died. They insinuated the heck out of it, but no mutilated body = not dead in movie world (and even a mutilated body doesn't mean much in some cases)
(2) Xavier does die and get a new body in the comic, and could then walk again. His powers are mental, in his consciousness, and that consciousness was moved into his new body = he still has his powers. In the comic, the new body was with the help of the Shi'ar, I believe.
(3) The phoenix saga is WAAAAAYYYYYYY more complex than in the movie...I won't even get into that.
(4) Juggernaut should have died when Kitty Pryde un-phased him into the floor, because his atoms would have fused with the floor = not good. (as a side note, did anyone catch the reference "Do you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"?)
(5) There are several times in the comics where they use power inhibitors in shackles, so maybe that's what they did which Juggernaut, although that is definitely a stretch (Mystique didn't have the inhibitors, but her powers aren't as dangerous). And why didn't they do anything with the trademarked helmet issue of Juggernaut? It's like the underlining theme of *every* fight with him to remove the helmet.
(6) Rogue and Wolverine both lose their powers at some point in the comic, but of course get them back (as I'm assuming Rogue and Mystique will, since it looked like Magneto was regaining his).
(7) Lots and lots of mutants died in the "mutant massacre" series, so it wasn't necessarily gratuitous what they did in the movie.
(8) Angel was very undeveloped, but probably because they didn't have time, but wanted to use Warren Enterprises and foreshadow for ArchAngel in a sequel...
(9) The needles were all plastic, which means Magneto wouldn't have seen, nor sensed them.

Well, I haven't read the comic in about 12 years, so I'm missing and forgetting a lot, I'm sure, but there's some rardom geek comments.

you 90% just said the exact same thing as i did in the post above.

[ModelPerfect]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

you 90% just said the exact same thing as i did in the post above.

yeah, well it took me a while to write it, so we passed in cyberspace.

[VicJay]

I saw X-men movie on Thursday night and thought it was brilliant. For me definitely better than both previous parts. There were, however, several confusing moments in the movie, but overall I enjoyed it
Nevertheless, I still think that cartoon is better!

[Greg B]

Oh for cryin' out loud let a veteran comics guy speak up.

If you had been watching, Jean Grey disintigrated all the darts after Magneto got spiked.

Cyclops, Professor X and the others Jean killed disintegrated. She couldn't do it to Wolverine because his powers kept regenerating.

Juggernaut is only dangerous IF he builds up momentum like Magneto said when they read his prisoner manifest. Originally Juggernaut isn't a mutant. He got his powers in a Thor comic book from a goddess or witch from Aesgard.

With the amount of money this movie is making there's definitely going to be many, many more sequels. The stars would have to be insane to turn down that much money. Sure there'll be spinoffs because they have enough momentum to do so. A Wolverine back story spinoff with the Weapon X saga is gonna rock the box office.

It was great to see The Beast. He was always a fun character. The Danger Room was a staple in the X Men books. Angel's storyline was good but wrong place. Magneto using the bridge was spectacular but unnecessary. With all the cars and metal on that bridge he could have altered them into a platform and levitated them to the island. I'm sure there was enough metal in the building to use as weapons to defeat the troops. Also, storm can cause tornadoes and again her power was misused. She coulda wiped out the evil mutants in one stroke. Magneto saw Colossus so why didn't he just ice him right there. Speaking of ice, Bobby the Iceman could have done in 90% of the evil mutants on his own. He should have axed Pyro though. Rogue flies and has super strength in the comics. She shoulda showed up too.

One time Magneto caught Wolverine and sucked all the adamantium out of his body. That shit was ghoulish. Why he didn't do it this time is beyond me.

I don't think the characters Dark Phoenix disintegrated are dead, somehow they'll be revealed to have been absorbed into her power as she can't die. She'll come back.

It would have been cool to have seen a cameo by Spidey. These Marvel movies are making phat loot and should have some cameos now and then. If they keep sticking to the books they'll take over the box office.

Romance and fighting always win at the box office.

[ModelPerfect]

Rogue's mutant powers do not allow her to fly and have super strength. She acquired them from holding onto Ms Marvel too long and permanently absorbing her powers and psyche. I'm assuming they simply wanted to use the original character for Rogue.

As a side note, Before she joined the X-men, Rogue was also one of the brotherhood of evil mutants Mystique was her adopted mom, which is why in #2 their was a subtle insinuation that Mystique and Rogue had a history.

Magneto also led the X-men at one point, appointed by Xavier himself I believe...

Originally Posted by Greg B

Oh for cryin' out loud let a veteran comics guy speak up.

If you had been watching, Jean Grey disintigrated all the darts after Magneto got spiked.

Cyclops, Professor X and the others Jean killed disintegrated. She couldn't do it to Wolverine because his powers kept regenerating.

Juggernaut is only dangerous IF he builds up momentum like Magneto said when they read his prisoner manifest. Originally Juggernaut isn't a mutant. He got his powers in a Thor comic book from a goddess or witch from Aesgard.

With the amount of money this movie is making there's definitely going to be many, many more sequels. The stars would have to be insane to turn down that much money. Sure there'll be spinoffs because they have enough momentum to do so. A Wolverine back story spinoff with the Weapon X saga is gonna rock the box office.

It was great to see The Beast. He was always a fun character. The Danger Room was a staple in the X Men books. Angel's storyline was good but wrong place. Magneto using the bridge was spectacular but unnecessary. With all the cars and metal on that bridge he could have altered them into a platform and levitated them to the island. I'm sure there was enough metal in the building to use as weapons to defeat the troops. Also, storm can cause tornadoes and again her power was misused. She coulda wiped out the evil mutants in one stroke. Magneto saw Colossus so why didn't he just ice him right there. Speaking of ice, Bobby the Iceman could have done in 90% of the evil mutants on his own. He should have axed Pyro though. Rogue flies and has super strength in the comics. She shoulda showed up too.

One time Magneto caught Wolverine and sucked all the adamantium out of his body. That shit was ghoulish. Why he didn't do it this time is beyond me.

I don't think the characters Dark Phoenix disintegrated are dead, somehow they'll be revealed to have been absorbed into her power as she can't die. She'll come back.

It would have been cool to have seen a cameo by Spidey. These Marvel movies are making phat loot and should have some cameos now and then. If they keep sticking to the books they'll take over the box office.

Romance and fighting always win at the box office.

[sweetgirl2006]

thanks for the spoilers lol.. i'll still go see it even tho some people on gfy like to spoils things lol..

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by sweetgirl2006

thanks for the spoilers lol.. i'll still go see it even tho some people on gfy like to spoils things lol..

There is a title to this thread.

[czarina]

I only read up to where you said "the movie is sloppy" and didn't want to keep going because I plan on going to see it soon.
But it's a shame that the reviews haven't been better. I was expecting a great flick

[dissipate]

I love threads like this - I actually end up reading them until the end

[DirtyLion]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

Here is another one. How did juggernaut easily breakthrough the several feet of concrete easily but he couldn't get out of the metel shackles that were holding him in the beginning?

Juggernaut's power is momentum-based, when he's immobilized he cannot generate any momentum and thus is powerless.

[ModelPerfect]

Here's another ubergeek point: Wolverine is 5'3", Rogue is 5'8"...but see how they stack up in the movie.

[Young]

Originally Posted by Ain't It Cool News

This isn?t Brett Ratner?s car wreck? oh sure, he was just the hired hand at the wheel who managed to keep the car basically on the road, but he didn?t pick the car, nor did he fill the tank. No, this car, road and explosions were timed, set and sabotaged by Tom Rothman. I actually believe Brett could have made a pretty decent X-MEN movie had he been given the time to adequately adapt the film.

Now, if you have never read an X-MEN comic, if you know nothing about the PHOENIX saga and if early 1980?s Honk Kong wirework still looks miraculous to your eyes? then you?re gonna love this movie.

If you liked the first two X-MEN films ? and know the comics ? then for the vast majority of the film you?ll notice how clumsy things like deaths are handled, how emotional beats are handled like a disobedient toilet with a plunger in its mouth.

Is there any good here? Absolutely. A shortened schedule couldn?t interfere with the majesty of Ian McKellen?s genius as Magneto, every time he appears on screen it is as if all is great. Also, Patrick Stewart?s Professor X is perfection. When you?re tight on Kelsey Grammer?s Beast ? he works wonders. I continue to be quite fond of Shawn Ashmore?s Bobby Drake ? though I?d kill to see him actually ICEMAN out. Ya know? Icing up to deliver a headbutt is just lame to me. I like the CURE and how it fits into the previous two films as a story device for bringing Magneto and Xavier?s philosophies to a head to head battle.

HOWEVER? The Problems come here?

1) Wolverine. I?m a huge fan of Hugh Jackman and Wolverine in particular? but adding layer upon layer of cuddly cuteness to WOLVERINE is robbing him of his animalistic furor. Admittedly, Wolverine is a terrible PG-13 character. Though his short battle with Limb-Replacement Man is pretty awesome, for it?s basic gag value. But too often, that?s the point with Wolverine in this film. He?s a gag. A joke. The beginning of a scene that has a punch line exit for the character. Too often, it is Logan that is the butt of the joke. For me, Wolverine is best in Boba Fett doses. Flourishes of badassness, not Rhett Butler. Wolverine as a lovesick babysitter just isn?t nearly as cool as he ever was meant to be.

2) Storm. Halle Berry just grates with every line delivered. Her fight with Callisto had all the choreography of headless chickens fighting upon a red hot grill. It really is painful. Her character has, perhaps, more screentime than she?s ever had in the series to date. But lack of screentime was never Storm?s problem? rather, the lady playing her needed better direction. To be clued into who her character was. Her ?street? talk is a sad departure from who she was just in the last film.

3) Cyclops. Anticlimactic doesn?t even begin to cover it. Cyclops always had the thankless task of being the guy who kept it together. He always reminded me of Gregory Peck in THE GUNS OF NAVARONE, a man that got the job done and always knew the danger of unrestrained power. His departure is done off-screen and just flaccid as hell. That they did the great, ?Take off your glasses? scene? the ?Open your eyes? moment? is nice, but that it didn?t have any of the build up or elegance. That they didn?t allow the moment to breathe? to set in. To be relished, before what they did here.

4) Beast. His political monkey side works for me, but I really dislike how all the acrobatics with him are handled. Close-up of his being upside down hanging reading just isn?t the same as pulling that camera back and seeing him enjoy his hanging upside down? rocking back and forth? or if his hair actually reacted to the gravity of his situation.. Or if during his fight scenes you actually saw something of what he was doing instead of it all being hidden in darkness due to the micro-schedule they had to shoot this sucker on.

5) Callisto and the tattoo bunch. LAME. Really is that simple.

The saddest thing to me is how there?s almost zero emotional development for any characters. When Moriarty said he felt it was surprising which characters died and which ones took the cure? Well, as I sat there? they knocked off pretty much exactly as you would figure. We all heard about two of the three major deaths. I hadn?t heard about the third one, but it was the nail in the coffin that fucking pissed me off. That that is the cinematic legacy of that particular character? it just pisses me off. And I know that that being pissed off comes from ?knowing the comic? ? but I honestly felt that if that was all they were going to do with that character, then they should have saved the storyline for the 2nd X-MEN trilogy.

This 1st Trilogy was about Xavier and Magneto and how they each chose to advance the cause of mutants in a human run world. The CURE is a perfect device to further play with that story. And had this third film just explored that storyline ? without dragging in characters like Juggernaut, Phoenix or Callisto into the mix? well I feel the story could have been done wonderfully. Those cutaways to the mined story bits from other issues ? just short changed what the central story for this film was. Making characters like Rogue painfully thin. There was no anguish in the decisions that had to be made. It was night and day.

The only character that I honestly kinda felt for was Rebecca Romijn?s Mystique. Her betrayal was honestly hurtful.

After the film ? I saw Massawyrm tremblingly upset, Robogeek visibly annoyed, Quint yawning, Merrick?s dust. The regular audience? they were entertained.

The question of adaptation always comes up on films like these. The questioning of the adaptation process. You see? I don?t want Sentinels for Sentinels sake. It isn?t that it?s just a giant purple robot that Jack Kirby designed. That isn?t why I wanted to see them in the film. It was more about the idea of characters being hunted, captured. Hiding in shadows, being snatched out of their beds at night through roofs. It was about big things pursuing innocence. They certainly are not things to hide in shadows and never reveal. That?s the lamest way to handle them, and if that?s all your budget will allow? then DON?T SHOW THEM, CUZ THAT?S LAME.

You see ? it isn?t that I think X-fans are dying to see a character called Phoenix on screen. Her character was perfectly described by Patrick Stewart?s character in his brief analysis of her? sadly ? what he described was never shown. Famke was never asked to do those emotions? that range. The scenes were not there. For comic fans ? Phoenix and the Phoenix saga isn?t just any story. It?s one of THE Marvel stories. This isn?t a plastic gumball ring of a story, this is the Tiffany?s Diamond Engagement ring. A story you either chose to tell in some sort of complete form? or not at all. That I never get to see the Phoenix force. That I never see the tormenting of her character, the confusion and mind-fucking of her. That we never see the scope of her abilities. That we never fully get to see the depth of her love with Cyclops. That all of that isn?t even really touched on. That she goes from resurrection to goon to the end? is just unforgivable. I truly truly truly hate how they treated it.

A friend asked me if I thought it was worth babysitting money for his wife and him to see it this weekend. I asked him if she and he cared about the characters and the story. His wife knew every issue, as did he. I recommended a matinee sometime during the week, next week. To pay to see this ? during prime hours? to inflate Fox?s numbers. Frankly, I wouldn?t recommend it.

This was shoddy work as a whole. HOLLYWOOD REPORTER calls this the RETURN OF THE JEDI of the X-MEN saga. To me ? it?s closer to ALIEN 3, minus that film?s style and ambition. This isn?t SUPERMAN III bad, it?s just a film that never was given the love and nourishment it needed to be complete or whole. It feels like a twitchy abused child of a film.

Brett Ratner could have made a better film had he had better time to acquaint himself with the material, better time to hone the material with the writers and the freedom to actually listen to the writers instead of the knuckleheads in charge of that studio.

That said? Wolverine versus Antler-Knife Throwing Man was kinda cool for a little bit. And Huggy Porcupine Boy is a riot. They came right out of Mighty Marvel's NOT BRAND ECHH ishes... If only waterhose Stan had become FORBUSH MAN this could've been something. If you don?t ask for much from your X-MEN movies and you don?t know the characters? this will serve you well. If you give a shit ? that?s what you?re gonna get? by the double handful.

This article is from Ain't it Cool News. Me and this guy seem to be on the same page.

The "apparent" death of Cyclops was MAJORLY mishandled....I mean....JESUS FUCKING CHRIST...it's Cyclops!

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by ModelPerfect

Here's another ubergeek point: Wolverine is 5'3", Rogue is 5'8"...but see how they stack up in the movie.

I know I know! That's the first thing that hit me when I saw the casting of Wolverine. I made the mistake of thinking that Ray Park who played Toad in the first X Men and also played Darth Maul in Phantom Menace was going to play Wolverine. He would have been awesome! Yet Hugh Jackman is now Wolverine so that's history.

Wolverine's height was always the butt of jokes in the comics too.

I have a feeling the 'Echoes of Future Past' storyline is going to come in some how.

[vvq]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

you people do not pay attention, all the guns were switched to plastic based ones, how do you know the needles werent also plastic?

for the first post, cyclops is not dead, there was no cure for jean grey, its in her mind, and the phoenix can come out at anytime, which it does multiple times in the comic.

juggernaut cant break out of the metal because it is specially designed for mutants.

jubilee does not matter, you have 1.5 hours to build up like 2 characters, there is only so much you can do.

none of the mutants will lose their powers, they will spin it off like that the cure doesnt last and the mutants will be back.

i'm sorry. but you could fucking see metal needles. and if they were plastic magneto should of realized this in the forest when Jean was fucking with him. in which case it shouldn't of been a suprise to them that they had plastic weapons and they would of devised a better scheme. like dropping the bridge on the kid and lighting the whole fucking island on fire.

the problem with the juggernaut was that he was stuck in a concrete floor, had no way to build momentum, yet busted through it. they should of left the whole momentum thing out of it.

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by vvq

the problem with the juggernaut was that he was stuck in a concrete floor, had no way to build momentum, yet busted through it. they should of left the whole momentum thing out of it.

yup that was exactly my point.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by vvq

the problem with the juggernaut was that he was stuck in a concrete floor, had no way to build momentum, yet busted through it. they should of left the whole momentum thing out of it.

WTF dude, don't you know who he is??

HE'S THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH

[PussyTeenies]

i liked it
wasn;t as good as the first 2 but still nice distraction of the real life
and the end with Xavier @ moria was taken from the comics/cartoons

[yummeh]

They still didn't include Gambit!