Another why sponsors don't convert - GoFuckYourself.com

Tipsy · 05-22-2002, 01:44 PM

There's forever posts appear about shit conversions these days and people bitching about all the free porn ruining it (they always seem to ignore the fact that a GOOD sponsor can give far more than it is possible to get for free anywhere). I've just spent 20 mins looking for a good preggo sponsor and there seems to me an obvious reasons why so many conversions are shit....

Go to almost any large (and many smaller) sponsor's sites and tell me that every tour isn't the same. Sure the colours change a little and the girls/guys in the pics may change but fuck - you seen one you seen them all. Why on earth would anyone join a site that they've already seen duplicated a 1000 times elsewhere when they do the customary casual glance before hitting close/back.

This guy http://www.picsofme.com/partners/index.html posted his new program recently and the tour's actually a little different and I bet has far better conversion ratios. Why don't some of the bigger sites actually try the same?

That's my rant for the year.

ztik · 05-22-2002, 01:52 PM

check out my tours, I think they are pretty damn unique
www.verywetsluts.com

Fletch XXX · 05-22-2002, 01:54 PM

I forgot the term for is, but science has labeled the "thing" that tells a humans brain to scan over pages as it loads, and after doing tests, found that the human brain and eyes begin to form patterns and "target areas" such as banner placement, and after repetition, they scan over that target area thus negating the banners effectiveness... this is much to say about the traditional, "interface" - "members - join - tour" layout, ive never really used this layout on my sites so I dont know if it works, but I know its getting a bit tired, and as soon as most surfers see the "3 button nav" they know its gonna be 3 pages of "tour" with jack shit for free, so... the click the X... ctrl>w

Tipsy · 05-22-2002, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I forgot the term for is, but science has labeled the "thing" that tells a humans brain to scan over pages as it loads, and after doing tests, found that the human brain and eyes begin to form patterns and "target areas" such as banner placement, and after repitition, they scan over that target area thus negating the banners effectiveness... this is much to say about the traditional, "interface" - "members - join - tour" layout, ive never really used this layout on my sites so I dont know if it works, but I know its getting a bit tired, and as soon as most surfers see the "3 button nav" they know its gonna be 3 pages of "tour" with jack shit for free, so... the click the X... ctrl>w

Exactly my point and I can't for the life of me figure out why so many sites can't see beyond this. I build the odd AC gold site amongst other things and they're the most frustrating of all. If you don't make it look like just about every other gold/pay site out there the fuckers wont even accept it. Is there an adult WM shop somewhere selling all these blinkers?

TheFLY · 05-22-2002, 02:06 PM

I wish more sites would sell the girls... the girls sell the sites -- 95% of the tours I see don't even mention the name of the girl in the tour -- or even promise the surfer that more pics of her are inside the site... Promote the individual models and you will make a lot more money -- just watch guys surf -- it's so obvious...

Amateur Pages is light-years ahead of most sponsors in that respect...

Kimmykim · 05-22-2002, 02:13 PM

Funny you'd post this today Tips -- I just had an icq rant with someone regarding the fact that there's nothing much original out there any more, and surfers have to be tired of same old same old shit.

I see a couple of people doing well with novel ideas, but sooner rather than later they will be copied to death and worn out too.

Worse than the tours are the member areas --- most of them are a step above pathetic, and it makes me wonder how anyone keeps a member at the prices they charge. Of course it also explains how most members don't say past the trial.

It's pretty sad the state of things any more. People want to blame billing companies, reseller traffic, you name it, and YES, those are part of the issues. Billing companies are more regulated almost daily any more by the cc's and we do what we can but we're very limited in alot of things. Resellers have never had traffic that was well targeted in 99% of their cases, and no they don't convert as well as some sponsors own traffic...

Payouts are too high, it was stupid to ever get to the point where fiddling with the numbers and making people think they were really getting 50, 60, 70 bucks a join when we all know that is not the case, since anyone who could actually pay 50 bucks on a 3 dollar trial and make money wouldn't be paying that much anyway, they'd be too smart.

Argh, well there's my little piece of pie for this one...

TDF · 05-22-2002, 02:18 PM

So i guess the question is do you want to make more money than you are now or will you complain about it and watch money pass you by?? Why not make your own paysite with your own ideas and make money off of them?? Get out your thinking cap and stop depending on sponsors to be your cashflow

Tipsy · 05-22-2002, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Worse than the tours are the member areas --- most of them are a step above pathetic, and it makes me wonder how anyone keeps a member at the prices they charge. Of course it also explains how most members don't say past the trial.

I tend to agree with you there. I don't bother checking out inside many of the per signup sponsors I use as it matters little. Only recuring matters in that area. However so many of them are awful. A really badly designed page with obscure links to obvious plugin content and very little original stuff to keep them coming back. It's be so easy to have little things inside of sites that aren't just more of the same pics and better design to retain punters but few bother.

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Payouts are too high, it was stupid to ever get to the point where fiddling with the numbers and making people think they were really getting 50, 60, 70 bucks a join when we all know that is not the case, since anyone who could actually pay 50 bucks on a 3 dollar trial and make money wouldn't be paying that much anyway, they'd be too smart.

Yep - and then you'll get yet another thread moaning about shaving, exit traffic being stolen and bad stats tracking but if you launch anything that doesn't pay $35-$50 a trial no fucker wants to know. People just gotta be a bit more realistic.

Tipsy · 05-22-2002, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
So i guess the question is do you want to make more money than you are now or will you complain about it and watch money pass you by?? Why not make your own paysite with your own ideas and make money off of them?? Get out your thinking cap and stop depending on sponsors to be your cashflow

I'm re-launching an old paysite of mine soon. However that can be a little catch22 as you need a decent reserve in the bank to fund the content etc but need the content etc to get the money in the 1st place.''' I have a very bad habit of earning decent amounts but spending the whole lot

. Niche especially is hard to launch successfully without a decent budget. Gotta practice more self control in that area

It's a little beside the point though as the main gripe wasn't that it isn't possible to do what you suggested but more that few people build decent/unique(ish) tours. Promoting other sites can be VERY lucrative and far easier than running your own I just can't figure out for the life of me why so many feel the same tired format will actually work. You can take the tried and tested thing too far...

Pipecrew · 05-22-2002, 02:29 PM

I ranted about this long ago so I will keep this short and simple

Cookie Cutter Tours + Plugin Members Areas = Future of the internet Unfortunately

They keep making them, because everyone assumes they work for everyone else, its one large misconception

Amputate Your Head · 05-22-2002, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
I wish more sites would sell the girls... the girls sell the sites -- 95% of the tours I see don't even mention the name of the girl in the tour -- or even promise the surfer that more pics of her are inside the site... Promote the individual models and you will make a lot more money -- just watch guys surf -- it's so obvious...

Amateur Pages is light-years ahead of most sponsors in that respect...

although it pains me greatly to admit publicly that I'm agreeing with TheFLY, I think this statement carries alot more weight than most people realize.

quiet · 05-22-2002, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

This guy http://www.picsofme.com/partners/index.html posted his new program recently and the tour's actually a little different and I bet has far better conversion ratios.

the person who owns that site is female.

Tipsy · 05-22-2002, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

the person who owns that site is female.

You're 100% right as I remember the thread now. Oops - sorry girly. That'll teach me to asume.

And yes thfeFly has a very good point.

05-22-2002, 02:42 PM

I totally agree with Fly ~ that's probably why Tawnee sells/sold very well ... just cuz you sell the girl.

05-22-2002, 01:44 PM	#1
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Another why sponsors don't convert There's forever posts appear about shit conversions these days and people bitching about all the free porn ruining it (they always seem to ignore the fact that a GOOD sponsor can give far more than it is possible to get for free anywhere). I've just spent 20 mins looking for a good preggo sponsor and there seems to me an obvious reasons why so many conversions are shit.... Go to almost any large (and many smaller) sponsor's sites and tell me that every tour isn't the same. Sure the colours change a little and the girls/guys in the pics may change but fuck - you seen one you seen them all. Why on earth would anyone join a site that they've already seen duplicated a 1000 times elsewhere when they do the customary casual glance before hitting close/back. This guy http://www.picsofme.com/partners/index.html posted his new program recently and the tour's actually a little different and I bet has far better conversion ratios. Why don't some of the bigger sites actually try the same? That's my rant for the year. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

05-22-2002, 01:54 PM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I forgot the term for is, but science has labeled the "thing" that tells a humans brain to scan over pages as it loads, and after doing tests, found that the human brain and eyes begin to form patterns and "target areas" such as banner placement, and after repetition, they scan over that target area thus negating the banners effectiveness... this is much to say about the traditional, "interface" - "members - join - tour" layout, ive never really used this layout on my sites so I dont know if it works, but I know its getting a bit tired, and as soon as most surfers see the "3 button nav" they know its gonna be 3 pages of "tour" with jack shit for free, so... the click the X... ctrl>w __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me Last edited by Fletch XXX; 05-22-2002 at 01:55 PM..

05-22-2002, 02:18 PM	#7
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	So i guess the question is do you want to make more money than you are now or will you complain about it and watch money pass you by?? Why not make your own paysite with your own ideas and make money off of them?? Get out your thinking cap and stop depending on sponsors to be your cashflow __________________ Sig heil

05-22-2002, 01:52 PM	#2
ztik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Nomad Posts: 5,196	check out my tours, I think they are pretty damn unique www.verywetsluts.com

05-22-2002, 02:06 PM	#5
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I wish more sites would sell the girls... the girls sell the sites -- 95% of the tours I see don't even mention the name of the girl in the tour -- or even promise the surfer that more pics of her are inside the site... Promote the individual models and you will make a lot more money -- just watch guys surf -- it's so obvious... Amateur Pages is light-years ahead of most sponsors in that respect...

05-22-2002, 02:13 PM	#6
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Funny you'd post this today Tips -- I just had an icq rant with someone regarding the fact that there's nothing much original out there any more, and surfers have to be tired of same old same old shit. I see a couple of people doing well with novel ideas, but sooner rather than later they will be copied to death and worn out too. Worse than the tours are the member areas --- most of them are a step above pathetic, and it makes me wonder how anyone keeps a member at the prices they charge. Of course it also explains how most members don't say past the trial. It's pretty sad the state of things any more. People want to blame billing companies, reseller traffic, you name it, and YES, those are part of the issues. Billing companies are more regulated almost daily any more by the cc's and we do what we can but we're very limited in alot of things. Resellers have never had traffic that was well targeted in 99% of their cases, and no they don't convert as well as some sponsors own traffic... Payouts are too high, it was stupid to ever get to the point where fiddling with the numbers and making people think they were really getting 50, 60, 70 bucks a join when we all know that is not the case, since anyone who could actually pay 50 bucks on a 3 dollar trial and make money wouldn't be paying that much anyway, they'd be too smart. Argh, well there's my little piece of pie for this one...

05-22-2002, 02:29 PM	#10
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	I ranted about this long ago so I will keep this short and simple Cookie Cutter Tours + Plugin Members Areas = Future of the internet Unfortunately They keep making them, because everyone assumes they work for everyone else, its one large misconception

05-22-2002, 02:42 PM	#14
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	I totally agree with Fly ~ that's probably why Tawnee sells/sold very well ... just cuz you sell the girl.