Good customer relations are as, or more, important that the actual work you are doing for them.
A customer should feel all warm and cozy, taken care of.

Perhaps you take on to much stuff at the same time? :2 cents:

Its never to late.

I will keep this on Page one all day.:thumbsup

It seems to be a business forum or someplace they want to do business.

So...
It will all come out here.

I worked my off ass for these people and I get JimThefiend hawkin around like I am doing them wrong. Well god knows how Jim figured this project out, but since the way I operate as of late has been in question...

I got no choice to assure ya folks. I try and do good work for people and deliver. Maybe its not always on time but then again not all designers produce shit perfectly on time, and I am no exception.

At the end, Clients are happy "Usually". Some are not and thats just how design life is. The really whinny ones run around to other people, or scream about hell and earth falling over some lousy25 dollar thing. The designers are often left doing the work and end up over worked from an over demanding client our of fear of this sort of shit that you are reading now.

I do this for a living and it requires I involve myself with several projects at once, gauge time, clock time, estimate the clients needs at junctures on a project.

In short I create time to make time to create...

Nice Sig!! :winkwink:

Alien, you gave me zip files to download today that I've never been given before. I only had one PSD before today. I needed the rest.

Please just get us the rest of what we paid for.

It doesn't matter that you think we don't "need" the flash and banners right this very moment, but the flash you promised us back on 4/19... and what is it today? 5/24?

Please just get us the rest of what we paid for.

You make insinuations towards a "finally", but YOU were paid back in February... it's now May and we still don't have everything from you that we paid for.

Please just get us the rest of what we paid for.

You have been demanding links to source files and i have given them to you repeatedly.

REPEATEDLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can tear down index pages next so people can view the upload dates of the source files if you like. ALL source files were given to you over a month ago.

They Include, Source PSD Files, The Logo, The logo Stamp ( Of which was never in the deal I di extra ), The font cases.
For both the tour and the AFF program layout.

The two different versions of the members section, even though ya only ordered 1, I built two.

The affilaites program, holy jesus...
I have two compeltely different layouts for that. I basically designed 2 Affiliates programs for ya guys. Sat for over 3 hours just updating one to make sure its what the client wanted.
Cut optimised it and gave ya the download files and the source files.

Not 1 time, not 2 times but 3 fucking times now.

Its my business because she's a friend of mine and MADE it my business. I brought it to the boards because you've had months to complete the work and have already been paid and you've ignored her REPEATED attempts to contact you. You can't ignore this.



Just finish the fucking work. I don't have time to dick with you today.

Nah...
I am not doing shit at this point.

Ya already costed me more than I bargained for and this project has cost me more time than I bargained for.

They got everything they need at this point and have gottin it several times.

Find some outsource flash junkie to do the flash. Maybe 80 bucks will do.

And 10 banners for another 20 bucks.

Hey...

Maybe you should do it Jim...
Thats a little above your current wage!

We paid YOU to do that. Please finish the flash and banners that we paid you for.

So now you're just gonna refuse to finish what you were ALREADY paid for. So predictable. You own yourself every time you open your mouth.

Let's see how much work you get from this point on.

As far as MY finances are concerned, you don't see ME starting threads about how broke I am, do ya?

You're such a fucking tool Alien.

Just so everyone knows, this isn't pennies either. A couple of grand changed hands.


Alien = thief, scammer and liar

:helpme :helpme :helpme

Here's a question from someone who has not been around long enough to see how these thing usually are handled: If hes such a thief, scammer and liar why isnt he banned?

your bot acting up woj?:winkwink:

Anybody can be accused of being a thief, liar, and scammer. It isn't the boards responsibility to ensure that every member is on the "up and up". It wouldn't even be possible.

Yup. A couple grand changed hands a tour design and an affiliates program design, a members section.
Full consultation was givin about the various methods to open a program, what scripts are available estimated costs of those scripts, which included discussions on CCBILL, NATS, MPA, cascade processing.

Over 20 different versions of the aff program alone.

A Members section design, designed twice.
Extensive consultation on members section, security and basic set ups.

A tour design, featuring flash, delivery of source files, font files, and even extra stuff. The tour under went 2 complete revisions and are not template tours. It is unique and will kick ass in the field.

The design for this project was done over 1.5 months ago and I repeatedly provided links to the source files and source PSD's.

I am the one that got ripped off, and this thread once again damages me and my work. Its not worth continuing on this matter.

wow call out!!

JimTheFiend loves the attention.

It must suck to be a no talent sig whore that involves himself in everyones business without having the slightest clue.

This is a text-book "Two sides to every story" thread.

Kind of sad, though.

Jim, you're just making yourself look less and less intelligent by bumping this thread, which you had nothing to do with from the get-go.

Stick to pictures of your pond. I like those.

That sounds really good..... brb

I cant believe anyone would be stupid enough to do buisness wit Alien

I think I explained how I got involved in this and why dude.

So I guess someone is lying, Alien says the work is done and the client has had access to it. The client says they still haven't received what they paid for, interesting.

I got people that owe me money and work all the time and even now...Its always that way. I can't count the number of times clients never paid me over the years.

It's the nature of things.
Don't see me sniveling about it on the boards, nor putting non educated fucks upto shit they have no clue about...

If you are a designer or developer these days be prepared to deal with very unprofessional people. People that think Boards are the catch all to business.

People will usually over work you and under pay you these days and even if you do a good job and go above means to make a project work they will still push you around.

We've reached the bottom of the barel and its true...

Most folks these days needing work really think you owe them the world and then some when they get you a couple hundred bucks and never rule out character assassination in the public eye when its deemed in the slightest issue.
I wont play this game anymore.


Ya want a good deal in design, and ya always get your money's worth in being a professional with mutual respect at my shop.

Ya fuck me, I will take your money.
I have no qualms about it these days its that simple.

okay i guess i'm curious...it looks like the work was done according to some links alien posted in this thread.

is there a huge gap in this story? we've had work done by Alien and were pleased with the results.

The gap is simple.The clients had no idea what they are doing.

The clients decided to contact JimTheFiend to conduct Character assassination.

When this was created I still had work to do for there order which is like 5 banners and a flash component for the aff program and the aff program script integration is no where nears ready. If I did the flash component they would just have me re do the flash component when the program launches because there would be updates they didnt know about.

Other than that.

EVERYTHING was delivered repeatedly.
Source files and HTML cuts and templates.
Everything.

So they can do the rest of this project at this point, let them find some sucker designer in Europe or Korea to do the lousy 20 bucks in banners and 80 bucks or so flash.

What am I missing, I don't see any links posted by Alienq.

Which can be viewed here:
http://www.ialien.com/roxie/index.html
With flash integrated.

And AFF Program design.
http://www.ialien.com/vialia/

This is on page one of this growing thread.

Ah, thanks, I guess he just doesn't want to complete the work he contracted for. Seems like a huge communication mishap as the client is saying they just now got some of the work today and alien is saying they had it a month ago.

That ?full consultation? consisted of what? One or two short telephone calls? In which you bashed NATS and Albright and pimped MPA.

And now in a more recent post you?re saying that the problem is that the client doesn?t know what they?re doing. Well, if that?s so, it doesn?t bode well for your ?consultation? now does it.

It also speaks volumes that my initial posts to this thread were simply asking you for the rest of what we?re due for what we paid you, and when you show up you?re in full asshole bash hate mode. Way to resolve your paying client?s issues.

Those ?20 different versions? consist of a lot of very minor easy adjustments. Such as just changing fonts to see what looked nice. The whole of the design remained the same.

You gave us an initial design and were asked to change the colors. The COLORS. That?s so minor and small. I admit we were being picky (we told you we were picky from the get-go and you said that was good because we knew what we wanted, and now you use that to bash us), but the adjustments weren?t catastrophic or time consuming.

I just have to LOL at that one. You gave us one teeny tiny page for the member?s area. I had to build all of the other pages and even some of the graphics myself. I?ve never worked on a project before where the client received ONE page for the member?s area with incomplete graphics to boot.

What extra stuff?

Then where is my flash and banners? I don?t have it because it?s not done. Therefore the entirety of the designs for this project were not finished 1.5 months ago since I?m still waiting on things you promised to have finished over a month ago.

No. You damage your own work and reputation with your slow, half-assed delivery, and continuous broken promises. You should never have to chase down and beg a hired designer for what you paid for.

And yeah, this is gonna sound like ?he-said, she-said? to anyone who doesn?t know you for what you really are, but everyone that has been burned by you before is gonna shake their head and pity the people who fell into Alien?s delusional little world.

Prove me wrong and give us our flash and banners.

It's not a communication mishap. We've had *most* of the design work from Alien (I never said we didn't have *any* of it) but I was still missing some PSD's -- which I got today -- and we're still missing some flash and banners. Which Alien is now openly refusing to finish.

I see, is he at least willing to refund you for the part of the work he didn't complete since by his posts he doesn't seem too concerned about finishing the work.

No, he's never offered us a refund.

Lol @ him refunding anything. He's fucking BROKE and this thread is a perfect example of why.


Lets see:

All the work isnt done.
He ignored the customer for months.
He's refusing to complete the job.





I'd be looking into ways of charging back the initial payment at this point. :2 cents:

I mean there's fucking yourself and there's fucking yourself, I think I have to bookmark this thread ^__^

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Watch out for Llama poop

Finally! Thank you. :upsidedow :upsidedow :upsidedow

And you don't have to watch out for llama poop, they are very tidy with their poop and they all poop in the same organized piles.

*knows way too much about llamas*

I thought they were a design company? Is this sub-contract work for a client of theirs? :helpme