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Brujah 05-23-2006 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by punkworld
No need, it's there. (and, with my opinion of them, I wouldn't say that if it wasn't true)
Does it work? Why do so many people have such a hard time removing it?

Libertine 05-23-2006 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Steve
Poor reply - overused - nobody believes it anymore - and the best thing you could do is let this thread die.

As it is you're standing up at the top of the page wearing a big target and all the guys who have some business ethics are just ripping you to shreds.

But then that seems to fit with your business model
The sad truth is probably that it does work. There are plenty of people with no business ethics whatsoever in this industry.

Rui 05-23-2006 03:35 PM
lol...what a joke...

Libertine 05-23-2006 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah
Does it work? Why do so many people have such a hard time removing it?
Multiple reasons. First and foremost, it does not remove all files. Secondly, by their own admission, there used to be a "bug" which made uninstalling hard/impossible. Third, their software changes very often and takes on many different forms. Even if it works today, this may not have worked a month ago (and didn't, according to many reports), and may not work a month from now.

Dirty F 05-23-2006 03:47 PM
I think it also has to do with the way people get to the site. There is a difference in signup methods for people typing in the domain or getting their through a referral code. And ofcourse a lot could depend on the country the surfer is from.

VicD 05-23-2006 03:51 PM
I do NOT recommend this sponsor....

Libertine 05-23-2006 03:58 PM
Interesting:

Quote:
There is a nifty little scam going on where unsuspecting consumers install MediaPass software on their computer hoping to download music and video files. Except when they agree to install the software, they are also agreeing to allow MoviePass to use their computer's hard drive and internet connection bandwidth for their purposes. Oh, and they also make you agree that they can sell your personal information to their affiliates - of course.

With that aside, when you install the MoviePass software, you are installing a free trial. Again, in that nasty little terms of service agreement you agree that if you do not cancel your trial BEFORE it expires, that you will pay them $29.99 a month for their service. Once the trial expires, a box will start popping up on your screen, increasing in frequency over time, asking you for your billing information.

If you remove the software and just forget about it, you are caught in yet another clause in their TOS that states that if you do not immediately provide your billing information, they will bill you for an entire year of service (a $359.88 tab) and then turn you over to a collection agency.

The only way to stop this cycle (easily) is to cancel your subscription immediately unless you intent to subscribe to their services. To do this you MUST call their toll-free number.

After all of that I have to say it is pretty crappy that this scam is actually working on people. If you have any influence over the general public (or at least your local LAN), let people know about this shady operation.

Most importantly, DO NOT remove the MoviePass software before you call to cancel the account they have open for you (yes, if you have the MoviePass pop-ups, they have an account for you). They will require a number from their software to deactivate your account. Once you have killed your account, you can remove their software to stop those annoying pop-ups. For a free tutorial on removing MoviePass (after you cancel your account) visit http://www.schrockinnovations.com/removemoviepass.php.

We have sent a press release to our local media outlets and made it available on our homepage. If you want more info on MoviePass or the MediaPipe software, visit www.moviepass.tv.
http://thorschrock.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=2

ThumbLord 05-23-2006 04:00 PM
I do NOT recommend this sponsor.... uhmm scammer?

spacedog 05-23-2006 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDjay
when the drama started I felt the same way....till I saw the signups!
truthfully, I was considering, but then I thought about it. Is it really worth the risk.. I mean, I got you who I never heard of til this past week or so saying it's all ok, it's all legit, but on the other hand I see all these negative posts coming from people whom I've gotten familiar with over the last few years, wether it be from affiliate programs, or link partners, trade partners, online collaboration, or plain fucking around, or whatever, but I believe & trust Franck who I never met in person, before I trust a program trying to defend itself without backing up the facts.

All the negatives seem to have been supported with documentaion corroborating the claims, whereas I have seen no such documentation on behalf of webmaster direct refuting such allegations.

Besides, 50cents per install, what a measly toke compared to the upsell of $99!! Shit, If a member spends $99 on membership sites, I'd make at least $44 :thumbsup

Juicy D. Links 05-23-2006 04:02 PM
juicy.dll someone make me that please?

Dirty F 05-23-2006 04:02 PM
Especially the title:

MoviePass Spyware a Major Financial and Security Threat


You know what. I never in this history of gfy seen so much evidence being ignored and denied by either the mods and a few people here defending them (jeesh, they also happen to be pushing them, what a coincidence).

Anyway this is getting ridiculous. Its like discussing if grass is really green.

Dirty F 05-23-2006 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Adam
And then when you try to access that cancel page in the members area, you are sent here.

http://www.moviepass.tv/reinstall.html
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dirty F 05-23-2006 04:06 PM
Its too funny that this thread is a sticky hahaha.

First time i see scammers getting one so everybody can read how and who they scam. Amazing.

Theo 05-23-2006 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDjay
We want to thank the many people we do business with and promise to keep delivering the worlds best VOD product and the Webmaster payments to match. [/SIZE]

big claim, let's see a preview of your service, i'm sure your affiliates would like that.

afterall all this is the best VOD product in the world.

jayeff 05-23-2006 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by punkworld
There is a nifty little scam going on where unsuspecting consumers install MediaPass software on their computer hoping to download music and video files.
And it gets stickied here. Very sad.

sextoyking 05-23-2006 04:20 PM
sad in so many ways..

Any old timers around - and even up to date webmasters know that this crappola won't stand for too long. Sooner or later all the complaints rack in and then big brother is on the war path..

I'm not one to usually preach but everyone can see this is total BS..

xNetworx 05-23-2006 04:20 PM
http://sorenz.dk/spyhunter%20poster.JPG

sextoyking 05-23-2006 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel
big claim, let's see a preview of your service, i'm sure your affiliates would like that.

afterall all this is the best VOD product in the world.

Hey Soul,

I hear hotmovies is pretty damm big in it's ownright.

WiredGuy 05-23-2006 04:40 PM
I won't promote something I haven't tried and I'll be honest, with all the drama around this product, I'm too afraid to even think of installing it on my system. Sorry...
WG

CDSmith 05-23-2006 04:43 PM
Sorry, but I don't know you, don't know your company, but what I DO know is that your install behaves in a way that I simply do not approve of, period. I don't like the whole ransomeware model it's based around, uninstall available or not. (and many many people seem to be saying NOT)

I won't touch it. Period.

Nor will I touch any other program I find who is sending surfers to it.

And that's the fact, jack.

Matiz 05-23-2006 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by punkworld
Interesting:

Quote:
There is a nifty little scam going on where unsuspecting consumers install MediaPass software on their computer hoping to download music and video files. Except when they agree to install the software, they are also agreeing to allow MoviePass to use their computer's hard drive and internet connection bandwidth for their purposes. Oh, and they also make you agree that they can sell your personal information to their affiliates - of course.

With that aside, when you install the MoviePass software, you are installing a free trial. Again, in that nasty little terms of service agreement you agree that if you do not cancel your trial BEFORE it expires, that you will pay them $29.99 a month for their service. Once the trial expires, a box will start popping up on your screen, increasing in frequency over time, asking you for your billing information.

If you remove the software and just forget about it, you are caught in yet another clause in their TOS that states that if you do not immediately provide your billing information, they will bill you for an entire year of service (a $359.88 tab) and then turn you over to a collection agency.

The only way to stop this cycle (easily) is to cancel your subscription immediately unless you intent to subscribe to their services. To do this you MUST call their toll-free number.

After all of that I have to say it is pretty crappy that this scam is actually working on people. If you have any influence over the general public (or at least your local LAN), let people know about this shady operation.

Most importantly, DO NOT remove the MoviePass software before you call to cancel the account they have open for you (yes, if you have the MoviePass pop-ups, they have an account for you). They will require a number from their software to deactivate your account. Once you have killed your account, you can remove their software to stop those annoying pop-ups. For a free tutorial on removing MoviePass (after you cancel your account) visit http://www.schrockinnovations.com/removemoviepass.php.

We have sent a press release to our local media outlets and made it available on our homepage. If you want more info on MoviePass or the MediaPipe software, visit www.moviepass.tv.
http://thorschrock.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=2
So, when a surfer simply removes the software (like media did) his account is still open.
Now, if they somehow got his address they could still give his information to the collection agency and fuck him over..

EdgeXXX 05-23-2006 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
Line on this thread is over/under 5 pages
Juicy, gimme $3k on OVER :thumbsup

clickclickclick 05-23-2006 04:53 PM
its all about money

fucking over ppl is part of the game son, internet shit aint a crime.

Pure Evil 05-23-2006 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDjay
1. SMOKEY, this is what is left behind after uninstall.
Smokey mentioned that we leave things behind after uninstall and that he would keep you posted. he doesnt need to. Here is what it is.

agent.dll & user ID in the reg

These are necessary because they are what allow our paid members to continue to access the site. Nothing more. Agent.dll reads the reg ID. Thats it. We run a sucessfull legit business and have for a long time. We are not fly by night and plan on continuing to give users a great value and makle our partners huge profits.

Wrong. According to the installer's coding it renames and moves a few files and leaves more than just those 2 on the system. Just how well do you know the person(s) that wrote this?

Internet Guy 05-23-2006 04:54 PM
The people who created WebmasterDirect, and anybody promoting it - have thought about how they are going to make money, and have decided they are OK with making some people very unhappy, essentially stealing from those people.

I worry about those people.

In an industry where you can earn a very good profit by providing a product people are happy to pay for, they have decided they would rather cut corners and simply steal from consumers.

If a WebmasterDirect supporter was honest with himself, his thoughts may go like this: "Creating value isn't for me. I am not creative or motivated enough to make money in a legitimate way. I will extort money from anyone I can."

Question : If WebmasterDirect are cool with extorting money from surfers, what is going to stop them from screwing affiliates too?

Internet Guy

InnocentBystander 05-23-2006 04:55 PM
webmastersdirect = LifetimeBucks = Babenet = PROMOTE AT YOUR OWN RISK!

InnocentBystander 05-23-2006 04:58 PM
You screwed me when you were Babenet and there is no way I would fall for your crap again.....Beware of these guys as they are the same guys who did LifeTimeBucks when they were known as Babenet.com

OldSchoolJim 05-23-2006 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franck
And 10 pages if i open a book about epiccash and spammers :1orglaugh
ahaha...maybe so...but at least i am not being the hypocrit.....

Murderous 05-23-2006 05:09 PM
3K!!!
and a huge
FUCK YOU!!!

clickclickclick 05-23-2006 05:11 PM
the question is:

would u subject urself to ur own product?

coz this product might be bad, but with alil luck, i can be certain i can find worse ones out there.

J.R. 05-23-2006 05:12 PM
Any kind of spyware sucks ass. they are all about impossible
to remove.. I have had to buy new desktops because if this
kind of shit.

Apparently moviepass has some ethics issues according
to the threads I have read. If your in the mainstream.. then
its bigger then just adult.

Rui 05-23-2006 05:20 PM
Bunch of sellouts I tell you...and then you wonder why we got VISA after us...pffff

Herb Kornfield 05-23-2006 05:40 PM
Interesting Thread

dave_w 05-23-2006 05:44 PM
signature insert here.

Dave

CaptainHowdy 05-23-2006 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
true true memorial day is coming up , i will have to adjust the line on this
Ill call vegas see what the bookmakers are suggesting
I'm late :( !

How much for this sig spot, Juicy :winkwink: ??

VOD-Dave 05-23-2006 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDjay
3,000 movies, stream or download, nothin' generic. Check it out
I believe I use every major VOD player such as A1, AEBN, XonAir, ect. and not one of them feel it necessary to use the ransomeware model to make a profit.

Why is that you do?

pocketkangaroo 05-23-2006 06:06 PM
Quote:
These are necessary because they are what allow our paid members to continue to access the site. Nothing more. Agent.dll reads the reg ID. Thats it. We run a sucessfull legit business and have for a long time. We are not fly by night and plan on continuing to give users a great value and makle our partners huge profits.
When you uninstall something, it should be uninstalled. If I'm correct, don't you also leave two executables on the computer, itbill.exe and mpp2pl.exe? I apologize if this has been changed in the last month.

Quote:
We spent months going throught the process of becoming Norton trusted software (adware/spyware free-complete discloser). We HAVE been running as trusted software for many months. About two weeks ago Norton began MISflagging us. We are in contact with them and the issue is being resolved as quickly as possible.
I think Norton is the least of your worries. Every major Spyware/Adware/Virus remover flags your software. As for MISflagging, I have a feeling you are going to have a tough time getting off their list. Besides matching their criteria for malware, MediaPipe has also been listed as one of the 4 worst offenders on the web by StopBadware.org. I can't imagine everyone is MISflagging you.

Quote:
As a few have pointed out, complaints can be found about ALL companies with a user base as large os ours. AOL, VISA, DISNEY etc. Gfyers are posting what amounts very few complaints in relation to our user base. Well under 0.01%.
I'm not going to begin to compare you to AOL, Visa, and Disney. They do have complaints, but they also have millions of happy customers. I'd argue that you have more complaints on the web than they do, and they've been in business longer and have exponentially more customers. Also, for a company with so many happy customers, why are you not advertising for your own name in the search engines? Seems silly considering how many people must be searching you to download your software.


These threads over the past few days from both sides are just silly. Companies can do what they want and should (as long as it is legal). If you're a webmaster and don't like it, don't support it. Don't send traffic. However, I'm sure their stuff converts, and I'm sure they can make a lot of webmasters money. It's a personal preference and each webmaster should make their own decision. Most webmasters should mind their own business.

However, these kind of threads insult our intelligence. We both know what this software is and does. If you want to argue the definition of malware/ransomware, so be it. But don't try and go around claiming this is some innocent software that hoards of people love. A few Google searches tell a whole other story.

u-Bob 05-23-2006 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TDF
oh yeah, see dogs humping!
and puking...

Malicious Biz 05-23-2006 06:14 PM
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/caer/...ifs/manure.gif

Pure Evil 05-23-2006 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
When you uninstall something, it should be uninstalled. If I'm correct, don't you also leave two executables on the computer, itbill.exe and mpp2pl.exe? I apologize if this has been changed in the last month.


I think Norton is the least of your worries. Every major Spyware/Adware/Virus remover flags your software. As for MISflagging, I have a feeling you are going to have a tough time getting off their list. Besides matching their criteria for malware, MediaPipe has also been listed as one of the 4 worst offenders on the web by StopBadware.org. I can't imagine everyone is MISflagging you.



I'm not going to begin to compare you to AOL, Visa, and Disney. They do have complaints, but they also have millions of happy customers. I'd argue that you have more complaints on the web than they do, and they've been in business longer and have exponentially more customers. Also, for a company with so many happy customers, why are you not advertising for your own name in the search engines? Seems silly considering how many people must be searching you to download your software.


These threads over the past few days from both sides are just silly. Companies can do what they want and should (as long as it is legal). If you're a webmaster and don't like it, don't support it. Don't send traffic. However, I'm sure their stuff converts, and I'm sure they can make a lot of webmasters money. It's a personal preference and each webmaster should make their own decision. Most webmasters should mind their own business.

However, these kind of threads insult our intelligence. We both know what this software is and does. If you want to argue the definition of malware/ransomware, so be it. But don't try and go around claiming this is some innocent software that hoards of people love. A few Google searches tell a whole other story.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Dirty F 05-23-2006 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InnocentBystander
You screwed me when you were Babenet and there is no way I would fall for your crap again.....Beware of these guys as they are the same guys who did LifeTimeBucks when they were known as Babenet.com

And the plot thickens...

Lovely.

Dirty F 05-23-2006 07:29 PM
And still Media is like "there is nothing wrong with WD".

hahah!

Im not sure who is gonna be the biggest joke in the end. WD or Media.

gouldsucks 05-23-2006 07:31 PM
Yet another program that Rob Gould got his grimy fingers into and turned it into a piece of shit like himself.

Pure Evil 05-23-2006 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicious Biz
Bump for the fertilizer

babymaker 05-23-2006 07:49 PM
Shit, i can make money and do the right thing just bought
MOVIEPASS-REMOVE.INFO
after seeing the OVT results :1orglaugh

:pimp

WDjay 05-23-2006 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Internet Guy
The people who created WebmasterDirect, and anybody promoting it - have thought about how they are going to make money, and have decided they are OK with making some people very unhappy, essentially stealing from those people.

I worry about those people.

In an industry where you can earn a very good profit by providing a product people are happy to pay for, they have decided they would rather cut corners and simply steal from consumers.

If a WebmasterDirect supporter was honest with himself, his thoughts may go like this: "Creating value isn't for me. I am not creative or motivated enough to make money in a legitimate way. I will extort money from anyone I can."

Question : If WebmasterDirect are cool with extorting money from surfers, what is going to stop them from screwing affiliates too?

Internet Guy


Prepay? hmmmmm

King Adam 05-23-2006 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDjay
Does Juggcash call its surfers before the 2 day trial is up. Just to let them know the card is going to be charged....


What about the cross sell.....same question
That might be the stupidest comparison I've ever heard. You have just stabbed yourself in the face with a 12" knife.


....


Damn ... I still can't get over that question. Are you insane man.

Corona 05-24-2006 12:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by babymaker
Shit, i can make money and do the right thing just bought
MOVIEPASS-REMOVE.INFO
after seeing the OVT results :1orglaugh
Great idea :thumbsup

venus 05-24-2006 12:20 AM
moviepass used to be babenet?
I wonder what happened to them, I bought their content for years then they suddenly disappeared.

Quote:
Originally Posted by InnocentBystander
You screwed me when you were Babenet and there is no way I would fall for your crap again.....Beware of these guys as they are the same guys who did LifeTimeBucks when they were known as Babenet.com

woj 05-24-2006 12:23 AM
100.........


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