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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942
    #1

    Why I love 2257

    Because kids like this are around, have access to the Net and a digital camera.

    http://mycrimespace.thetrenchcoat.co...izabeth+muller

    http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?i...sort=1&start=1

    2257 is also for our protection.



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    • Deej
      I make pixels work
      • Jun 2005
      • 24386
      #2
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        • Jack_Daniels
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2006
          • 161
          #3
          Originally posted by Paul Markham
          Because kids like this are around, have access to the Net and a digital camera.

          http://mycrimespace.thetrenchcoat.co...izabeth+muller

          http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?i...sort=1&start=1

          2257 is also for our protection.
          You know, a case could be made that perhaps the old 2257 was in fact well intentioned........ but not the new 2257.

          Come on man get real.
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            • The Ghost
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              • Oct 2004
              • 12188
              #4
              You do understand that 2257 will never slow down anyone who wants to produce illegal content, right Paul?
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                • The Ghost
                  IslandDollars.com
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 12188
                  #5
                  Also, there is not one mention how 2257 aided in this 'find'. The only info was some police officer was 'monitoring' myspace, so whatever that means.

                  If he's being paid to go on myspace, what a fucking waste of taxpayer (my) dollars that is.

                  I call bullshit on the entire story
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                    • Zuss
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 1187
                      #6
                      16 y olds are not childs. So there has been no child porn case.Period.
                      I like cookies.

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                        • frank7799
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 1974
                          #7
                          Originally posted by The Ghost
                          Also, there is not one mention how 2257 aided in this 'find'. The only info was some police officer was 'monitoring' myspace, so whatever that means.

                          If he's being paid to go on myspace, what a fucking waste of taxpayer (my) dollars that is.

                          I call bullshit on the entire story
                          And it´s not cp at all. Two teenagers experiencing their sexuality - not more. So it sounds like a big joke for me. They should catch those who abuse children, but it seems that isn´t the real reason for surfing myspace for porn...

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                            • BVF
                              Black Vagina Finder
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 13975
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                              Because kids like this are around, have access to the Net and a digital camera.

                              http://mycrimespace.thetrenchcoat.co...izabeth+muller

                              http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?i...sort=1&start=1

                              2257 is also for our protection.
                              What a STUPID example....Some teenage bitches play around with a camera and you spin the story to relate to people in this biz who "have access to the net and a digital camera" bullshit.

                              What is your problem with amateurs shooting content? What does it matter to YOU if other people who haven't been trained in traditional photography uses a digital camera? How can any of this affect YOUR pocket? Seriously........

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                                • MrPinks
                                  Registered User
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 1767
                                  #9
                                  Why isn't MySpace being charged as a "secondary producer" ?

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                                    • CheneyRumsfeld
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Sep 2004
                                      • 1341
                                      #10
                                      the nerve of them bastards!
                                      eveybody knows only Paul knows how to use a camera!

                                      move on old man.
                                      the young blood is coming!

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                                        • CheneyRumsfeld
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Sep 2004
                                          • 1341
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by MrPinks
                                          Why isn't MySpace being charged as a "secondary producer" ?
                                          because the person who posted it is the "secondary producer"

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                                            • Barefootsies
                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 42635
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by The Ghost
                                              You do understand that 2257 will never slow down anyone who wants to produce illegal content, right Paul?
                                              Correct. Much the same as new tougher laws on the books, or longer jail terms will not deter the hardened criminals. But they have to try.

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                                                • MrPinks
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 1767
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by CheneyRumsfeld
                                                  because the person who posted it is the "secondary producer"
                                                  Wouldn't they be the Primary?

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                                                    • CHMOD
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                      • 1697
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Zuss
                                                      16 y olds are not childs. So there has been no child porn case.Period.
                                                      Amen to this.
                                                      American and canadian laws were made by retarded people.
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                                                        • Mr. Romance
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                                                          • Mar 2005
                                                          • 7821
                                                          #15
                                                          2257 is needed...in the right way, but it has to protect the models privacy


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                                                            • Manga1
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                              • 952
                                                              #16
                                                              "The 16-year-old has been charged with child pornography and curfew violation"

                                                              Ok, that's just retarded. They charged the 16 year old with child pornography for that? So now that kid is going to be a sex offender? WTF is wrong with these people??

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                                                                • Matt 26z
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                  • 18481
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Manga1
                                                                  So now that kid is going to be a sex offender? WTF is wrong with these people??
                                                                  They way they abuse the sex offender database these days, it wouldn't surprise me. If the crime involved anything sexual, you become a registered sex offender.

                                                                  The concept was much better in the early days when it was nothing but confirmed molesters and violent rapists.

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                                                                    • american pervert
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                      • 6840
                                                                      #18
                                                                      all these regs help thin out the heard
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                                                                        • andrej_NDC
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                          • 7760
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by The Ghost
                                                                          You do understand that 2257 will never slow down anyone who wants to produce illegal content, right Paul?
                                                                          I'm afraid he doesn't understand that.

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                                                                            • andrej_NDC
                                                                              Registered User
                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                              • 7760
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Mr. Romance
                                                                              2257 is needed...in the right way
                                                                              in the old way...when people could link to primary producers. They should have all the documents anyway. But every adult webmaster beeing a custodian of records is stupid.

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                                                                                • CheneyRumsfeld
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                  • 1341
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  2257 = photoshop
                                                                                  what a pathic joke
                                                                                  you could have a 2257 for a dog for Christ sakes.

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                                                                                    • andrej_NDC
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                      • 7760
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by CheneyRumsfeld
                                                                                      2257 = photoshop
                                                                                      what a pathic joke
                                                                                      you could have a 2257 for a dog for Christ sakes.
                                                                                      Please read the law again.

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                                                                                        • L-Pink
                                                                                          working on my tan
                                                                                          • Mar 2005
                                                                                          • 39151
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by CheneyRumsfeld
                                                                                          2257 = photoshop
                                                                                          what a pathic joke
                                                                                          you could have a 2257 for a dog for Christ sakes.

                                                                                          ???????????

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                                                                                            • GigoloMason
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                                              • 742
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Wow paul just once I wish you'd be able to wrap your head around a concept before making a stupid post like this rather than after.

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                                                                                                • one eight
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                                                  • 1941
                                                                                                  #25
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                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                      • 52942
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      For such bright people you really are a little dim.

                                                                                                      I was not saying 2257 would stop it being produced.

                                                                                                      I AM SAYING 2257 LESSENS THE CHANCE OF WEBMASTERS GOING TO PRISON FOR PUBLISHING IT.

                                                                                                      If you go by the old rules of secondary producers not requiring documents there is nothing to stop these kids, remember one was under a curfew order so no angel, producing porn and selling it to webmasters.

                                                                                                      By making it law that secondary producers have the documents you are less likely to make that mistake.

                                                                                                      The one thing that kept a lot of people out of prison for publishing, selling and acting with Traci Lords was that they had her FORGED documents. The old 2257 would of meant webmasters do not require them.

                                                                                                      2257 is not about protecting 16-18 from me, it's about protecting me from them. It stops me buying content from people I do not know, in another country and I have no reason to trust.

                                                                                                      Now do you get it?



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                                                                                                        • The Ghost
                                                                                                          IslandDollars.com
                                                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                                                          • 12188
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                          For such bright people you really are a little dim.

                                                                                                          I was not saying 2257 would stop it being produced.

                                                                                                          I AM SAYING 2257 LESSENS THE CHANCE OF WEBMASTERS GOING TO PRISON FOR PUBLISHING IT.

                                                                                                          If you go by the old rules of secondary producers not requiring documents there is nothing to stop these kids, remember one was under a curfew order so no angel, producing porn and selling it to webmasters.

                                                                                                          By making it law that secondary producers have the documents you are less likely to make that mistake.

                                                                                                          The one thing that kept a lot of people out of prison for publishing, selling and acting with Traci Lords was that they had her FORGED documents. The old 2257 would of meant webmasters do not require them.

                                                                                                          2257 is not about protecting 16-18 from me, it's about protecting me from them. It stops me buying content from people I do not know, in another country and I have no reason to trust.

                                                                                                          Now do you get it?

                                                                                                          In a backwards, round about way I see the point you are trying to make Paul, but you are still off track. You have to consider there are parts of the world where the content they produced is COMPLETELY legal if they were over the age of 16. Not the United States mind you, though the new international proposal drafted clearly states that countries can set the minimum age to anything over 16 years of age.

                                                                                                          The reason the producers of the Traci Lords products had a pass was her identification was so good the U.S. GOVERMENT accepted it. After that was known there was no case.

                                                                                                          A quick tutorial in photoshop would make those underage performers documents appear to be legal, rendering 2257 useless to secondary producers. Secondary producers have never seen the ACTUAL documents. Do you mail the actual IDs of your performers to each client for inspection? No.

                                                                                                          Don't make the mistake of taking a single isolated instance and turning it into the poster child for change, especially for your own benefit. Look at the bigger picture. This is why things are a fucked up as they are now
                                                                                                          Last edited by The Ghost; 08-09-2006, 10:33 PM.
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