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Old 04-09-2014, 06:42 AM   #1
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At least 20 stabbed at Pittsburg area school



A student went on a stabbing rampage through the classrooms and halls of a high school outside Pittsburgh on Wednesday morning, authorities said. As many as 20 students were hurt, some with life-threatening injuries.
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20 stabbed?

Those are some pretty decent numbers.
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Why are students becoming homicidal maniacs lately?

Twenty years ago this was not a common occurrence -- what has changed?
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While this is sick and twisted you have to realize the headline there. 20 INJURED vs 20 stabbed is MUCH different. Its the media folks. 1 student stabbed, 19 students who fell and scrapped their knees while trying to run away.
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I think his point is that rushing to ban black knives with a rubber grip, in hopes of stopping this in the
future, is silly and irrational ...just like banning a rifle because of the way it looks. It's empty political rhetoric, used to make it seem as though something is being done.
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Why are students becoming homicidal maniacs lately?

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It is bizarre, isn't it?

Something has happened to the youth of today, something horrible. Probably a mix of things.
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It is bizarre, isn't it?

Something has happened to the youth of today, something horrible. Probably a mix of things.
I hate to say it but I think a lot has to do with the internet and especially Social Media - The kid who did this will be a celebrity and have a million likes and twitter followers within a few hours - The ultimate accolade...
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I thought all these school massacres in the USA is a result of the liberal gun politics there, but seems I was wrong. It's something different
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I thought all these school massacres in the USA is a result of the liberal gun politics there, but seems I was wrong. It's something different
It's going to be interesting to see how this plays - The pro gun groups will say 'look it will happen anyway' and the anti gun groups will say 'Think how much worse it would have been if he had gotten hold of a gun'...

I'm a bleeding heart liberal as you know, I know what argument I will be backing.....
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I hate to say it but I think a lot has to do with the internet and especially Social Media - The kid who did this will be a celebrity and have a million likes and twitter followers within a few hours - The ultimate accolade...
I'd agree that social media and the net plays a role in it. Like you said, it's instant fame to do something insane like that. I can see how kids planning on checking out anyway could see that as a way to go out as a somebody instead of a nobody.

Super violent games probably don't help either. There was a murder case here in Thailand a year or so ago where a kid slaughtered a few people. His reason was, he always killed people in the games he played and he wanted to see what it was like in real life. Obviously, those playing with a full deck wouldn't do something like that, but there are a lot of unstable people out there.
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Fotunately it looks like there were no casualties.
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I'm a bleeding heart liberal as you know, I know what argument I will be backing.....
I'm very liberal too, but I'm still against guns for civilians.
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Why are students becoming homicidal maniacs lately?

Twenty years ago this was not a common occurrence -- what has changed?
If everyone would have denounced the kids participating in the initial instances as being pieces of human garbage and they never made the news... it would likely have not happened again. Instead, they get 3 months of 24/7 news coverage, endless debate and discussion, vigils and memorials etc. Hardly a disincentive to a troubled kid looking to go out with a bang.

All acts of violence typically spike after news coverage of acts of violence. Suicides spike after news coverage of suicides. etc etc etc.
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it happened plenty 20 years ago.

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Super violent games probably don't help either. There was a murder case here in Thailand a year or so ago where a kid slaughtered a few people. His reason was, he always killed people in the games he played and he wanted to see what it was like in real life. Obviously, those playing with a full deck wouldn't do something like that, but there are a lot of unstable people out there.
Can't agree on that. All boys (including me) were playing war games with toy guns pretending killing and being killed by our friends. There was no computers and game consoles in that times. So it was natural for kids to play the war games during the whole existence of humanity.

Those games were much more real than all the modern FPS computer games. Actually they were much closer to the military exercises in the army
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it happened plenty 20 years ago.

I think all that really changed is news coverage. Everything is amplified and distorted by a dozen 24hr news channels talking about every single angle of the same retarded story for weeks or more. 30 years ago, it was just a thing that happened someplace far away and you only saw it at 6pm on the evening news once. Today, you can't escape it for months.
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Super violent games probably don't help either. There was a murder case here in Thailand a year or so ago where a kid slaughtered a few people. His reason was, he always killed people in the games he played and he wanted to see what it was like in real life. Obviously, those playing with a full deck wouldn't do something like that, but there are a lot of unstable people out there.
An unstable and troubled kid did something equally troubling. Does there have to be a "thing" to point at? If he wasn't disturbed, he wouldn't have acted out. If he is that disturbed, then its just a matter of time... no matter what people choose to blame. 25 years ago, it was heavy metal.
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An unstable and troubled kid did something equally troubling. Does there have to be a "thing" to point at? If he wasn't disturbed, he wouldn't have acted out. If he is that disturbed, then its just a matter of time... no matter what people choose to blame. 25 years ago, it was heavy metal.
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Political correctness, no child left behind, not holding students accountable for their actions... take your pick?
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kids being exposed to increasing amounts of toxins then have behavioral problems + doctors pumping the kids up with drugs = kids go nuts and kill other kids.
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If everyone would have denounced the kids participating in the initial instances as being pieces of human garbage and they never made the news... it would likely have not happened again. Instead, they get 3 months of 24/7 news coverage, endless debate and discussion, vigils and memorials etc. Hardly a disincentive to a troubled kid looking to go out with a bang.

All acts of violence typically spike after news coverage of acts of violence. Suicides spike after news coverage of suicides. etc etc etc.
Look up the stats on shark attacks the next time you hear of a shark attack "epidemic."
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Look up the stats on shark attacks the next time you hear of a shark attack "epidemic."
Does anyone remember what the major news story was right before the 911 terrorist attacks?
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it happened plenty 20 years ago.

Maybe, I was too busy trying to notice or the media is making a bigger drama out of it?

Also, just what is that statistic? School rage killings or gang related shootings on school grounds?
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I think it's funny when people blame violent video games.

Look at New Zealand. It's one of, if not the safest country in the World to live in. What's interesting about it is they speak English, they're a Westernized modern nation and guess what, their children play violent video games and watch violent videos just like North American children. For some reason though, far, far, far fewer of them blow up and commit heinous acts of violence.

The same is true, although to a lesser extent, if you compare The United States with Canada. Similar history, culture, economics, politics, language and entertainment yet Canadian children are less likely to grow up to be psychopaths.

Is it possible that violent stimuli could be a contributing factor? Sure, but there's something else going on as the underlying cause.
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kids being exposed to increasing amounts of toxins then have behavioral problems + doctors pumping the kids up with drugs = kids go nuts and kill other kids.

naw they are just a bunch of pussies now. Afraid to get their asses kicked in a real fight. Now these turdbags need weapons instead of fighting like real men.
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An unstable and troubled kid did something equally troubling. Does there have to be a "thing" to point at? If he wasn't disturbed, he wouldn't have acted out. If he is that disturbed, then its just a matter of time... no matter what people choose to blame. 25 years ago, it was heavy metal.
Very valid point. Some kids are just crazy. However, I still believe in some incidents there are things that can push an unstable person in a direction to make him / her more dangerous. Some people simply can't separate fantasy and reality very well. And like it was mentioned above, social media and mainstream media makes them all instant mini-celebrities.

Whatever the cause, if any, I don't recall incidents like this happening at the rate they do know when I was younger. The news existed them, both TV and print. The only difference was not having the internet.
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Look at New Zealand. It's one of, if not the safest country in the World to live in. What's interesting about it is they speak English, they're a Westernized modern nation and guess what, their children play violent video games and watch violent videos just like North American children. For some reason though, far, far, far fewer of them blow up and commit heinous acts of violence.

The same is true, although to a lesser extent, if you compare The United States with Canada. Similar history, culture, economics, politics, language and entertainment yet Canadian children are less likely to grow up to be psychopaths.

Is it possible that violent stimuli could be a contributing factor? Sure, but there's something else going on as the underlying cause.
Would you say that people in New Zealand have a different type of respect for each other?
Do they basically treat each other better than people do in America?

When I got out in America I hear all kinds of things that people say to each other that
don't make great sense and will do nothing but make someone else pissed.

I think that is why we shoot and stab each other; to make each other shut up.

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I think it's funny when people blame violent video games.

Look at New Zealand. It's one of, if not the safest country in the World to live in. What's interesting about it is they speak English, they're a Westernized modern nation and guess what, their children play violent video games and watch violent videos just like North American children. For some reason though, far, far, far fewer of them blow up and commit heinous acts of violence.

The same is true, although to a lesser extent, if you compare The United States with Canada. Similar history, culture, economics, politics, language and entertainment yet Canadian children are less likely to grow up to be psychopaths.

Is it possible that violent stimuli could be a contributing factor? Sure, but there's something else going on as the underlying cause.
Are the people in New Zealand a different color?
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Got to make these kids understand that even though high school seems like the entire world, they'll see years later that it doesn't mean shit. Maybe they wouldn't stab or shoot a bunch of people. I'm sure as hell going to drill that into my kid's head.
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It is bizarre, isn't it?

Something has happened to the youth of today, something horrible. Probably a mix of things.
Even with these weird going ona they still kill less people per capita then when I was a kid. Crime is way down and murder is down a bit.
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Lately? They have done it in this country since the 1700's. They just have easier access to better weapons today but school shootings and disgruntled youths are far from being anything "new" with this generation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

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how come 20 people were able to get stabbed is my question? after the first one, everyone should have beat his ass. maybe 1-2 more might get a poke or stab, but a crowd would overtake him in seconds.
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Very valid point. Some kids are just crazy. However, I still believe in some incidents there are things that can push an unstable person in a direction to make him / her more dangerous. Some people simply can't separate fantasy and reality very well. And like it was mentioned above, social media and mainstream media makes them all instant mini-celebrities.
This is always true though. I grew up with plenty of kids that were just plain freaky and scary and that you knew were going to end up in jail or worse. It's not an easy issue to tackle for sure. I don't think there is suddenly more of them (apart from the total number rising with population growth)

A first big problem is as i said as well as you did is something that isn't likely to go away. People used to shoot themselves for attention and they were remembered for an afternoon by those that knew them. Now they can go to school and shoot others for global attention and lasting infamy. That in my mind, is the first big problem. The second is parents that do nothing even when they know their child is dangerous and a system that does nothing when they know the child is dangerous.
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Old 04-10-2014, 04:53 PM   #42
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seems to be a lot of blame going on

since this 'attacker' apparently was just peed on by a large number of students, i think it might have something to do with that

oh, and the other kid who had his arm broken in a similar attack

might explain the weekly 'bullying sessions' the school appears to have
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Old 04-10-2014, 05:06 PM   #43
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seems to be a lot of blame going on

since this 'attacker' apparently was just peed on by a large number of students,
wtf ???

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I can't even imagine the amount of rage required to go on a 20 person stabbing spree. Kids today scare the absolute shit out of me. If I see a group of teens approaching me, my guard automatically goes up tenfold. You just have no idea what they're going to do anymore.
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