If I had known that Fleshlight used this type of locked cookie, I would have never joined.
There are very few programs that do this, and for good reasons(as posted above).

Traffic is worth too much and quite costly if PPC, to waste on a program where chances of getting a sale are limited in this way. Works for your big affiliates though :(

Soccer analogy......team of 11 players.....a goal is scored...who gets credit for the goal.....not the fuckin full back that is for sure....

the last man to touch the ball does.....:thumbsup

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed I think last touch should get the sale, but additional purchases down the road from the same customer (when he comes back as a typein) should be credited to the affiliate that sent the first sale as well. That is ultimately FAIR, and exactly how the Lightspeed4 system works for our affiliates.

Not to kiss ass, but Steve's solution is very rational. Steve, where's that thread when you announced that?

2hp

we are addressing each issue one by one, we find more blunders everyday.

We are Highly understaffed, basically it is myself and my traffic manager (which I will announce tomorrow), CS manager and one programmer, the last 2 are very unfamiliar with the adult market.

We are doing the best we can...Have been since day 1...

We are making leaps and bounds, bringing Fleshlight into adult was a big step, that they were not ready for, which is the main reason I am here.

just my :2 cents: back to work

Funny, we are talking on icq now :pimp

ramos can u hit me up plz

Yes, I will :winkwink:

um...just where exactly was fleshlight before adult

I hate to think you were advertising in religious magazines

the adult affiliate world ...

I def. think the last affiliate sending the customer, should get credit. They were the affiliate's whose site cast the final knock over vote to convince the customer to become more than a prospect.

Any other industry... if you as a sales rep can't close the deal, and you bring in an associate or close... they would either take, or split the commision..

If you can't figure out a multi-tiered commission system... (eyebrows rising a bit at the concept of programming this) stick to a last click gets it scenario.

50.......... :glugglug

The site that closes the sale should win. Not that the sites before didn't help with brand recognition! I have major concerns about trojans and other methods of hijacking my affiliate ID. Also worry about just plain traffic leak as the surfer gets to the site. If my affiliate ID isn't on the order page, I lose. A cookie killer program is a typical loss of credit for a sale.

I don't have major answers to resolve the issue though. Session tracking sounds promising. Must admit I don't know exactly how that works.

Night Crew Bump

Poll is Close as ever atm anyway:winkwink:

um...no offense, but basing a company decision on a GFY is the most idiotic move I have seen from a program in a LONG LONG time

send out an affiliate email and ask for a response

put a poll in the affiliate section of fleshlight

but jesus, don't base business decisions on the views of a forum that has the intelligence level of a parrot

you all need to hire 1. a marketing manager and 2. ANYONE who graduated from ANY business school in the world

we arent basing it, but the feedback is important

:)

Should Fleshlight use locked cookies? Not really a good way of asking . . . besides, I think I have clearly stated my position in this thread and others.

Thank you for your input :)

Vote BD :)

Like was mentioned on page one, you have people voting one way and posting another.

I think that is indicative of a poorly worded survey.

He did send out a lengthy newsletter and invited feed back.

The thing about a board is that you can see different points of view and develop an idea or grow from your own original thought. It's more of a group conversation or meeting. I think the thread is positive and useful. That doesn't mean that FL will take the result that wins by a vote.

More people will respond her than in reply emails I think. The thoughts express no doubt will influence a decision and it should. If the voting would be very one sided, that would send a message, esp if many known affiliates spoke up.

Remember that many of the affiliates come from the GFY universe.

good point :) solid info

Can't say I do everthing perfect myself. At least it started a dialog.

I respect your opinions Baddog. How would you have worded it? It appears like we the affiliates my influence the decisions being made on this program, so lets get all we can out of it.

Is there really any direct competition to the product? Not really, so there is an opportunity to log some bucks here.

Well, I think that you need to go into with the idea that cookies of some type will/should/must be used, so the question should probably be something along the lines of a multiple choice:

1. Do we continue with the lifetime cookies?
2. 6 month cookie
3. 3 month cookie
4. 1 month cookie
5. last site gets the cookie

Obviously, it should probably be tweaked a little more than that, but as I am not a paid consultant, that is close enough for government work.

Here's a solution that might be fair to all parties involved, though I don't know how easy it would be to implement:

The direct referrer gets his standard cut and if there was a different initial referrer, that affiliate gets a smaller percent (such as is done with webmaster referalls, 5 or 10%).

Thanks BD!
Lifetime - noway.

From your list, the obvious for me is the close gets the sale (lastsite) and the cookie. Plus sales to follow from that person.

he sent out a newsletter tell us how shit was going to be, and then at the end of the letter said "Finally, we want to stress that our staff is available for your questions and we love to get feedback from you"...LOL...that is hardly asking for feedback about new policies

fact is, fleshlight is a poorly run company, with a terrible back end, and a gfy celebrity trying to head up something that is insanely over his skill level

I have been watching other threads on other boards, and more than one person/affiliate has stated how terrible fleshlight has become since Ron left, and that it just keeps getting worse and worse

it is my hope that fleshlight does become a great program for everyone, and that they do get their issues sorted out, but as it stands right now they are like the retard on the first seat of the bus that everyone makes fun of behind his back

The way I see it, if the surfer didn't buy from the first affiliate, that first affiliate didn't do a good enough job of selling the product.

That being said, you should ban fleshlight affiliate sigs in the fleshlight forum, one of your employees told me that was one of the reasons for the locked cookie in the first place so that should just be done away with completely.

it will :pimp

that's a guarantee

do you see the forum link on the main page anymore?

Last one to send the sale....

Just my vote :)

and your vote counts! :pimp

Can I have my cookies set to chocolate chip?

http://www.sugoodsweets.com/blog/hel...4/DSCF2300.jpg

omg those would be so good right now

actually... its in the footer now at the bottom of the page.

:thumbsup

Only one side is saying anything publicly... They're saying overwrite the cookie or I won't promote fleshlight.. Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen anyone say anything constructive about a locked cookie and I haven't seen anyone say they'd stop promoting fleshlight if they didn't lock the cookie.. If I've missed that info then someone please point it out to me.

I did my rant about Ramos too. Don't know him, not even very well from the boards. Therefore, I'm not gonna take shots at him for the sport of it like I would Trey or some of the other characters of GFY.

Don't see any useful purpose in constantly slapping them down now. Appears to be a new staff in place to serve the web and affiliates. Correcting all the issues is not going to happen overnight.

Have a strong suspect that there is some stuff going on behind the scenes that most of us are not aware of. Maybe you have the inside track?

I'm in no position to judge any of the staff except by results from this point forward. I'm looking forward to making some real cash with the product. Seems to me, calling the Affiliate Manager a retard as he begins the real work is not the smartest for me. Think it's time to move forward on the whole thing.

Don't want to diss ya dial. We're just looking at this differently

Think this was more of a discussion on what is preferred rather that do it this way or I quit. I'm aginst locking the cookie as stated before. If they decide to lock it, I'm not going away. I would bitch loudly if they locked for a year or six months. For me if the decision is to lock it, then only for a month is my vote.

A side point - How many webmasters know how each of your sponsors handle cookies? Do you take the time to look or ask?

Actually, for a lot of us it is a promote them or not decision because of all the cheaters/scammers out there that will do all they can to lock the cookie and prevent others from getting sales.

There was a very big discussion about cookies a few weeks ago and what sponsors set for cookies was listed for a lot of them in one of the threads.

From that previous discussion, I don't remember any revshare sponsor that locked a cookie. The issue was more on how long some revshare sponsors set the cookie, but I'm pretty sure all of them did last gets sale.

I can't even remember any PPS ones that did either although most PPS programs don't set long term cookies (topbucks locks it for a few minutes for some sort of fraud prevention). However, most PPS programs track the affiliate ID thru the site and it's generally acepted that they take some/most of the typin sales for themselves in order to pay out the high PPS.