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  • SmokeyTheBear
    ►SouthOfHeaven
    • Jun 2004
    • 28609

    #1

    Sponsors please STOP this THEFT (part#1)

    by now we are all well aware of these toolbars and trojans that rewrite pages with their ref codes..

    If not ill explain a little.. there are many ways to do it , but lets say i hacked into gfy and altered the vbulletin database so when it displayed certain banners for say "TCG" it would add my webmaster ref code onto the end , randomly, only to third world ip's , ok maybe thats atricky example , but if you dont know what im talking about then you prob dont need to worry about it

    Ok so we all know the problem exists , but im suprised more isn't being done to stop it..

    Heres what sponsors can do to help.. and heres why you should be doing this..

    When a good new sponsor comes onto the scene , many people notice better ratio's , some of this is due to the fact that these "trojans" and such havent had the time to signup to that sponsor yet so you arent getting "shaved" on your links to them..

    Older / established sponsors ratios decline as more scammers rip off their affiliates and their affiliates move elsewhere..

    So while you may notice a new "whale" , he might be a wolf in whales clothing

    What can sponsors do about it.. ? look through your top 100 affiliates rferring urls or write a script and if you notice people making sales from other people's urls , you need to look into it..

    Assure us you dont accept these practises , and that you do have security/staff in place to guard against such problems.. and if you dont , make plans to do so or watch as your affiliate base crumbles
    hatisblack at yahoo.com
  • JD
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Sep 2003
    • 22651

    #2
    gay. looks like I'll have to script all my ref codes...

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    • WiredGuy
      Pounding Googlebot
      • Aug 2002
      • 34512

      #3
      I had a long talk with quite a few webmasters in Toronto this weekend about this, and I for one see stuff like this in my ratios. With enormous spikes in my signups with no changes to my traffic base, but yet joins are fluctuating by upwards of 75%. Its insane. I need this to stop asap.
      WG
      I play with Google.

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      • Phoenix
        BACON BACON BACON
        • Nov 2002
        • 35475

        #4
        there are very large people making moves on this now
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        • JD
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Sep 2003
          • 22651

          #5
          Originally posted by Phoenix
          there are very large people making moves on this now
          very large as in fat as shit?

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          • After Shock Media
            It's coming look busy
            • Mar 2001
            • 35299

            #6
            Yet another flaw in an open affiliate program.
            Invite only is so looking that much better.

            [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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            • SmokeyTheBear
              ►SouthOfHeaven
              • Jun 2004
              • 28609

              #7
              Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
              very large as in fat as shit?
              yup , this is the new shave detector, he is paid in mcdonalds certificates for every scamming affiliate he finds, every sponsor needs one..

              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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              • SmokeyTheBear
                ►SouthOfHeaven
                • Jun 2004
                • 28609

                #8
                Originally posted by After Shock Media
                Yet another flaw in an open affiliate program.
                Invite only is so looking that much better.
                these guys are smarter than that lots of money to throw around to fake a name for themselves , im sure a few of them are reading this thread as wee speak and have several "sonofsam" style friends to back them up , it just takes a few sneaky people working behind the scenes at different sponsors, and some guts..

                I think many sponsors are afraid to disturb the whales even when they do look suspicious because all they see is an immediate drop in sales , but they dont see the whole picture..

                Like if i had a whale who was stealing 10% of all my affiliates sales but i didnt realise that , all i would see is 400 sales going bye bye, when in reality they would just be credited to the real affiliates , and not vanish at all .
                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                • Manowar
                  jellyfish  
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 71528

                  #9
                  Yep, the toolbars are so common now. Affiliates must be loosing millions every month to ref code stealers

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                  • JD
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 22651

                    #10
                    I'll pay 2k to anyone that can write me a toolbar like this.

























                    j/k

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                    • Juilan
                      Sultan of Swing
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 15141

                      #11
                      Truly believe that stealware/scumware is a growing problem. It seems the integrity of the sponsor is what is being tested.
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                      • After Shock Media
                        It's coming look busy
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 35299

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                        these guys are smarter than that lots of money to throw around to fake a name for themselves , im sure a few of them are reading this thread as wee speak and have several "sonofsam" style friends to back them up , it just takes a few sneaky people working behind the scenes at different sponsors, and some guts..

                        I think many sponsors are afraid to disturb the whales even when they do look suspicious because all they see is an immediate drop in sales , but they dont see the whole picture..

                        Like if i had a whale who was stealing 10% of all my affiliates sales but i didnt realise that , all i would see is 400 sales going bye bye, when in reality they would just be credited to the real affiliates , and not vanish at all .
                        I just figure it would be harder to hide in an invite only system. They may be able to get in, though typically with invite only it has a great deal less affiliates and you should be able to notice things faster and easier.

                        [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                        • WiredGuy
                          Pounding Googlebot
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 34512

                          #13
                          And unfortunately all my major sponsors are taking an absolute nosedive.
                          WG
                          I play with Google.

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                          • woj
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 47882

                            #14
                            True, and it's not very hard to detect this either, you could find the affiliates who get get signups with "stolen" traffic, with just some creative sql queries or some simple script...
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                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                              best designer on GFY
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 30307

                              #15
                              I been saying this for years. But all the processors and webmasters say its not a problem at all. It is the number one reason why I will not deal in traffic or operate sites on the consumer end.


                              There have been way to many traffic jackings over the years one that comes to mind was Isearch and that whole Fiasco. There are many sublime app's out there just stealing traffic and re-writing affiliates codes.

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                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                best designer on GFY
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 30307

                                #16
                                Whats funny is that some of them that use this scumware are infact GFY advertisers hiding behind a clandestine outfit behind the scenes.

                                Oh noes!

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                                • Theo
                                  HAL 9000
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 34515

                                  #17
                                  Need to check it out,but if you already know some companies/affiliates doign it and you do not want to post their info here you can email me. I would appreciate that.

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                                  • JD
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Sep 2003
                                    • 22651

                                    #18
                                    this might explain my horrid bangbros ratios....

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                                    • ThumbLord

                                      #19
                                      interesting read and .......

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                                      • Quickdraw
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 1717

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                        And unfortunately all my major sponsors are taking an absolute nosedive.
                                        WG
                                        Which is even more reason the sponsors need to get on it ASAP.

                                        They may think it's not their problem, but it boils right down to them.

                                        YOU know how to get traffic.
                                        THEY(scumware) know how to steal traffic.
                                        When you stop sending traffic to the sponsor, the Scumware guys stop making money through you, (for that sponsor anyway). Then the sponsor wonders why all the heavy traffic hitters have moved away.

                                        If the sponsor can stay proactive, they can keep their heavy hitters, and help eliminate the theft.

                                        Unfortunately AlienQ hit it on the head.. Sometimes the sponsor themselves are responsible, but, one step at a time might get things going, and maybe, some of these other 'sponsors' will come out in the wash..

                                        And again from what I have seen on this board, getting a sponsor around here to even think of adding the options that Smokey talks about, would be next to impossible.

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                                        • tradermcduck
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 2362

                                          #21
                                          @SmokeyTheBear

                                          Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

                                          and thanks for an excellent thread

                                          MarkB

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                                          • JD
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Sep 2003
                                            • 22651

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by tradermcduck
                                            @SmokeyTheBear

                                            Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

                                            and thanks for an excellent thread

                                            i think so. fuck. I hope so

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                                            • WiredGuy
                                              Pounding Googlebot
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 34512

                                              #23
                                              btw Smokey, if you know of any installs/spyware/toolbars that are affecting the main sponsor you mentioned in the start of the thread, please let me know. If they're not willing to stop it, I'm willing to go after my lost sales. I can tell you its definitely in the high 5 figures based on my downward trend sales figures.
                                              WG
                                              I play with Google.

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                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                best designer on GFY
                                                • Mar 2003
                                                • 30307

                                                #24
                                                Not just sponsors and Processors.

                                                Host providers to...

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                                                • WiredGuy
                                                  Pounding Googlebot
                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                  • 34512

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by tradermcduck
                                                  @SmokeyTheBear

                                                  Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

                                                  and thanks for an excellent thread


                                                  If these hijackers were good, I'd redirect traffic at the processor (ccbill / paycom) level instead of the affiliate programs. Otherwise, it would be alot easier to see hits being shaved since they'd never be tracked which doesn't seem to be the case.
                                                  WG
                                                  I play with Google.

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                                                  • JD
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                    • 22651

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                    Not just sponsors and Processors.

                                                    Host providers to...

                                                    eh?

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                                                    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                      best designer on GFY
                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                      • 30307

                                                      #27
                                                      WG - I do not even know why you would sit at a table with folks that hosted one of the internet's biggest traffic jacking scams...

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                                                      • WiredGuy
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                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 34512

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                        WG I do not even know why you would sit at a table with folks that hosted one of the internet's biggest traffic jacking scams...
                                                        I don't judge a hosting company based on its clients, but based on its performance and reliability. Now if isearch is jacking my traffic, please do contact me with some info about it (seriously).
                                                        WG
                                                        I play with Google.

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                                                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                          best designer on GFY
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 30307

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                          eh?
                                                          Not an error at all. WebAir proudly hosted Isearch when Porngraph was doing auto install's over night and day with Isearch. It stole millions of webmaster's traffic over night and damaged many webmaster's traffic trust.

                                                          Nope they didnt shut it down, they just let it keep happening...

                                                          Now ya can pin point all those companies and people as being sponsor's of this sort of activity.
                                                          Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-15-2006, 02:30 PM.

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                                                          • JD
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                            • 22651

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                            Not an error at all. WebAir proudly hosted Isearch when Porngraph was doing auto install's over night and day with Porngraph. It stole millions of webmaster's traffic over night and damaged many webmaster's traffic trust.

                                                            Nope they didnt shut it down, they just let it keep happening...
                                                            ah shit...

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                                                            • drama
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                              • 847

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                              I don't judge a hosting company based on its clients, but based on its performance and reliability. Now if isearch is jacking my traffic, please do contact me with some info about it (seriously).
                                                              WG

                                                              Sounds like you've had much better luck than I. I just finished leaving them because of their performance, reliability, and cost.

                                                              I ended up getting twice as much bandwidth which procuded lower latencies, less hops, much quicker download speeds BUT at about 1/2 the price i paid at webair.

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                                                              • Quick Buck
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                • 1026

                                                                #32
                                                                alien, you are like a broken record.

                                                                normally i'd try to damage your reputation in return but you do so well damaging it yourself.
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                                                                • Quick Buck
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                  • 1026

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                  I don't judge a hosting company based on its clients, but based on its performance and reliability. Now if isearch is jacking my traffic, please do contact me with some info about it (seriously).
                                                                  WG
                                                                  I'm 100% certain that no such thing is or has happened.
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                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                    best designer on GFY
                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                    • 30307

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Sperminator...

                                                                    Just do a search here on GFY about Porngraph.
                                                                    Do a little search on Isearch, right here in this very forum.

                                                                    Then you will be shocked.

                                                                    THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.

                                                                    Yo.

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                                                                    • CyberHustler
                                                                      Masterbaiter
                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                      • 28725

                                                                      #35
                                                                      stop this theft!
                                                                      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                      • WiredGuy
                                                                        Pounding Googlebot
                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                        • 34512

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by drama
                                                                        Sounds like you've had much better luck than I. I just finished leaving them because of their performance, reliability, and cost.

                                                                        I ended up getting twice as much bandwidth which procuded lower latencies, less hops, much quicker download speeds BUT at about 1/2 the price i paid at webair.
                                                                        Odd, I'm even growing my operation with webair (2 new servers last week) and everything is stable and doing well. Did you try contacting them about the issues you were having before leaving?
                                                                        WG
                                                                        I play with Google.

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                                                                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                          best designer on GFY
                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                          • 30307

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Quick Buck
                                                                          alien, you are like a broken record.

                                                                          normally i'd try to damage your reputation in return but you do so well damaging it yourself.
                                                                          LOL...

                                                                          Dude go have yer fucking rep's throw more chairs threw windows and almost kill people at webmaster events. Or better yet send another off to take a swing at a processing company owner.

                                                                          We love people that can be trusted to operate good business unfortunatly the bad guys always make it hard, hide and dodge the facts.
                                                                          Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-15-2006, 02:47 PM.

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                                                                          • BlingDaddy
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                                                                            • Apr 2004
                                                                            • 6343

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Smokeys threads are always excellent. WG... if you find solid solutions please hit me up.
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                                                                            • Deraj
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                                                                              • Jun 2005
                                                                              • 2790

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                              yup , this is the new shave detector, he is paid in mcdonalds certificates for every scamming affiliate he finds, every sponsor needs one..

                                                                              This is his gay uncle Pete. He shaves one certificate for every 2 his nephew brings in. He is the McDonalds certificate pimp. Observe how this chain operation works =)

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                                                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                best designer on GFY
                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                • 30307

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I always wondered how Poor old hooper went from rags to riches over night and now has a nice condo penthouse in NY.

                                                                                Or how John Albright magically produced NATS out of his ass...

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                                                                                • Degenerate
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                  • 1294

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Sponsors should have no reason NOT to check this. Their income (unless they were the one putting ref codes in) would not be effected, they would just be paying the same amount, but to different parties..

                                                                                  Thus, this could be a case of Webmasters ripping off other webmasters.
                                                                                  .

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                                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                    best designer on GFY
                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                    • 30307

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Degenerate
                                                                                    Sponsors should have no reason NOT to check this. Their income (unless they were the one putting ref codes in) would not be effected, they would just be paying the same amount, but to different parties..

                                                                                    Thus, this could be a case of Webmasters ripping off other webmasters.
                                                                                    Dude.

                                                                                    Sponsors do not give a shit, they still get the sales.

                                                                                    Thats barking up the wrong tree entirely.

                                                                                    Ask some sponsors why they offer the encryption of thier links?
                                                                                    Oh thats right its great for SPAMMERS to hide thier identity!

                                                                                    Ya folks that think this industry is all fun and clean where everyone is "Cool", It still remains the filthiest smelliest pussy ever fucked by mankind.

                                                                                    Ya just goto look at it carefully and hold yer breath for the shock and horror as those around you have done nothing but steal from you in the first place.
                                                                                    Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-15-2006, 02:58 PM.

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                                                                                    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                      best designer on GFY
                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                      • 30307

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I guess ya kid's do not really want to get into it.


                                                                                      Anyways!

                                                                                      Nice read.

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                                                                                      • JD
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Sep 2003
                                                                                        • 22651

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        smokey, is there anyway to hide your ref codes so they don't get over written? Does the header redirect work for this?

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                                                                                        • Pornopat
                                                                                          AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                          • 10598

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                          Not an error at all. WebAir proudly hosted Isearch when Porngraph was doing auto install's over night and day with Isearch. It stole millions of webmaster's traffic over night and damaged many webmaster's traffic trust.

                                                                                          Nope they didnt shut it down, they just let it keep happening...

                                                                                          Now ya can pin point all those companies and people as being sponsor's of this sort of activity.

                                                                                          I hear the guys at Isearch drank Coca Cola. We should kill those motherfuckers at Coca Cola....
                                                                                          At a more serious note...Sponsors need to look for "new whales" and where there traffic is coming from. Its not hard. Dont make this thread into another one of your personal vendetta's.
                                                                                          This thread deserves better.
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                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                            • 28609

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                                                            smokey, is there anyway to hide your ref codes so they don't get over written? Does the header redirect work for this?
                                                                                            hey everyone it was great day at the beach so i had to step out, glad this thread is getting the attention it deserves..

                                                                                            The header redirect will work in some cases , but not the majority , its much easier for sponsors to clean house on their end ..

                                                                                            But i have noticed increases since slowly shifting my traffic over to my own redirects
                                                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                              • 28609

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                              btw Smokey, if you know of any installs/spyware/toolbars that are affecting the main sponsor you mentioned in the start of the thread, please let me know. If they're not willing to stop it, I'm willing to go after my lost sales. I can tell you its definitely in the high 5 figures based on my downward trend sales figures.
                                                                                              WG

                                                                                              thanks for mentioning that i should have been clear because it could cause confusion , just for the record, i have no reason to believe tcg is being affected in any way ( other than the fact they are a big program and would be a likely target ) i dont use tcg so i dont pay too much attention to their ref codes ( although i do notice they seem to be quite notorious for showing up on these types of things , that could be due to many factors including that they are big , or that they look the other way , i dont wanna point any fingers where they dont need to be pointed so i'll leave it at that) I should also add that there are many other factors i think that affect ratio's payouts etc on big sponsors , that they need to pay more care too. I know of a guy who is ripping off tcg left right and center , and reported them for it several times, and tcg account is still open , so either they like being ripped off, they dont care , or they are involved ..
                                                                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                              • quantum-x
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                                                                                                • 6863

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                I always wondered how Poor old hooper went from rags to riches over night and now has a nice condo penthouse in NY.

                                                                                                Or how John Albright magically produced NATS out of his ass...
                                                                                                Yep, extracted it with a team of programmers.
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                                                                                                • woj
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                  • 47882

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by tradermcduck
                                                                                                  @SmokeyTheBear

                                                                                                  Does mysite.com/intheviplink.php instead of http://www.inthevip.com/main.htm?id=myaffid help?

                                                                                                  and thanks for an excellent thread

                                                                                                  not a bad idea, but this won't solve the issue... maybe in some rare cases where the spyware was coded by an amateur it will, but it won't in most cases... Like smokey said sponsors need to step up to the plate and fix it on their end, I don't think there is anything that can be done on the affiliate end to fix this...
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                                                                                                  • MaddCaz
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                                                                                                    #50
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