HELL no - Circle K all the way!
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You miss the condition.

I myself have had plenty of opportunity to make "It Big", just never been willing to cash in on those around me.

I do not cash out friends. Thats bad Business. To much Risk for me.

And MelisaMidwest, 18yearsold.com is hardly a pock mark in the real world.

No, nice try to skew it though. What I'm saying is... Hard work, knowledge, and dedication are more important than money to become successful in this biz.

I thought so to...

LOL, what an idiot I was.

Sorry, but it's not stupid. The whole ideology you have just seems like an easy way for you to blame someone or something else for your own pitfalls. Just to make an example of a fairly "cheap" way to make something of yourself in the biz. By becoming a tgp/blog webmaster ~

It costs roughly $5-10 for a domain. And then $10-20 for decent hosting with a couple hundred gigs a month transfer. So your total cost is mere pocket change. With knowledge and dedication it is easy to turn that $20~ a month into a decent profit. With this profit your site is now self sustaining, meaning it no longer costs you anything for upkeep (it pays for itself). Once you have a decent profit you can then purchase benefits such as a dedicated server, traffic, scripts, design, or content. Which will increase profits - giving you even more revenue to spend on more benefits. So on and so on. Now, even though that sounds easy. It is a very in-depth and daunting task. You have to be very knowledgeable in the biz and know what does what and where (how to convert, how to maintain & grow traffic, who to trade with, where to submit, seo, what affiliate programs to use, etc etc etc). As well as be dedicated and spend your time making it work. You can't just put up a web page and expect it to run itself.

So like I said. Money to start with just makes it easier & a bit faster to become successful. It's hard work, dedication, and your knowledge of the field that are what really counts. :thumbsup

I don't think I'm an exception but here's my short story... started off in debt, I was a full time double major student. Started by doing freelance consulting for small companies, then re-investing that money into small scale media buys and grew from there. While it may take a large amount of money to scale an operation quickly, if you do use the money you earn wisely, it can payoff. I did end up graduation debt free and with a solid business model to grow from there so it did work for me and it can work for you. Really, it can.
WG

Have to agree with 2HP on this :pimp

that is right/ You have to have money and then you have to be smart too.
And you have to be not lazy.

And you're still young. :winkwink:

And that hasnt changed one iota...

50 broke ass idiots with delusions of granduer named "AlienQ".

Im sorry. Idiot with delusions of GRANDEUR. My bad.

Unfortunately Alien, you have a very bad attitude about it, and until you realize the opportinities that are out there to make your own way in life without having to have something to start with, you probably won't change your position one little bit. I know a lot of people in this industry that started out with no money (and not just in the good old days, I know lots like this NOW) and have made huge successes of themselves primarily from hard work. You get out of anything what you put into it. If you sit around and wait for life to drop the opportunities in your lap, you will actually be sitting and watching life (and opportunity) pass you by.

You're a talented guy, Alien, but you choose not to be a big success. If you can't make it in this industry, you have no excuse and nobody to blame but yourself. I see people with half your talent and three times your motivation outdoing you every day, not neccessarily in their end product, but in their work ETHIC. If you would stop for long enough to treat it like a business instead of like everyone should be obliged to give you money because you're so fucking skilled, you might realize the difference. I know your pocketbook would. (A few lessons in tact, business etiquette and learning when to keep your big mouth shut wouldn't hurt either.)

I am nowhere near half the designer you are, but I am NEVER without work. Why do you think that is, Alien? And don't tell me it's because I'm a girl.. you know that on this end of the business, gender matters not much at all. Think about that a minute, and I really and truly hope that you understand the point I'm trying to make. I hope it's not too much to hope that you won't just go off on me in your normal usual trademarked AlienQ way and actually realize I'm being helpful here. If you want suggestions or ideas, I have a million, and I may even have some work to pass your way. You know where to reach me.

And for you GFY haters out there wondering why I even bothered to post all that, it's because I see enough waste and bullshit in life as it is. We all know what Alien is like.. Hell Alien knows what he can be like, a right dick. But the fact of the matter is he has incredible talent, and to see that talent wasted simply because he may not realize what he's doing wrong is an incredible disservice to him, to myself as a designer, and to the industry as a whole, who need more talented, MOTIVATED people working this end of the game. Anyone has the potential to be a success, sometimes they just need to learn how.

Keep in mind, this is the moron that called ME a sell out for taking a job with Epic.

Theres something fundamentally wrong with your logic and perceptions Alien you fucking douche. No god damned wonder you think that people are better off working at 711.

711 is in YOUR future, not mine.

Like LadyM said, hard work DOES pay off.


Sitting around on GFY complaining about being broke, and laughing at a decent work ethic WONT pay off. imho

I kinda like this thread :thumbsup

That's sooooooooooooooooooo true !!!!

This mentality is not uncommon on GFY, even amongst those who are doing well. Somehow people have associated my having a Saturn with me not having a good life.
The fact that I had a Thunderbird, a Mustang and an SUV means nothing, it's that I drive a Saturn now.

Apparently it's the status symbol value of your vehicle that determines your level of happiness. I save almost $800 in gas each year that I can put towards better investments and to my child's education. That makes me way happier than the mustang ever did.

If the vehicle you drive truly is a sign of happiness, then this guy must be down right miserable: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=607590 :1orglaugh

Don't base your happiness or success level on what you do or don't make, or do or don't have. I used to think I had everything I could ever want when I made way more money working for myself... but I was miserable because I was bored. I make less now, but I have 0 worries, no stress... I laugh with friends every single day and have what I consider to be a perfect family. I've gotten rid of the desires that people told me I should have to be happy... and obtained the needs and wants that are truly what makes me happy.

Find what truly makes you happy... and go with that, no matter what society, gfy jerks or anyone else tells that you are supposed to have.

What it boils down to is... don't worry about what others are doing, or what they say you have to do. Do what you want to do just because it's what you want to do.

I would much rather try and do my own thing and fail, than work at a 7/11 like you say and spend my life telling myself I never would have made it anyway.

I base my happiness on my cars, not because they are posessions BUT because it is my hobby! I know what you are getting at - I just get a little touchy about people "dissing" cars :winkwink:

I all honesty my offer to Alien was meant as a serious, though small, proposal. Board character shouldnt come inbetween business, I think you all agree to that, but alien just is to much. I do believe sometimes he isnt slinging shit for drama, but to feed his own self-pityness. Why would you else burn a bridge every day?

And, hard work does pay, with or without a lot of initial resources. Just keep a humble attitude... :2 cents:

very very good advice, which i am 99.9% sure will go on deaf ears.

that is true, i make more then 95% of the people here (at least) but 95% of the people here drive a better car then me.

I am keeping my 97 eclipse till it dies. 130K miles so it wont be long then maybe i will buy a used nicer car in the 40 - 50 range. :)

i am greatfull for people like him. The more unmotivated idiots out there that will never make anything of their lives the easier it is for me to make money. Thanks to you all for making it easier for me.

I stopped trying to help motivated people, if they are motivated and want it and come to me for help then I don't mind giving out advice. If they dont want it or dont think t hey can get it, or too lazy to put the hard work in then let them be, let them prove themselves right.

Thank you, unfortunately I agree about the deaf ears thing.

Well unfortunately for me I have a soft spot for trying to help the hopeless cases. It's incredible to me how many people can find motivation in the simple act of someone extending their hand to help them a little. You never know. I can't help but have more faith in humanity than I should.

LadyMischief - the sites in your sig are down and have been all morning.

AlienQ, you got it right - get noticed by any means...

Ya I know my server puked and hasn't been fixed yet. Thanks tho :)

I'm getting older every day :(
WG

Which is it? Too lazy or not enough funds?