the bulldog

http://www.zenra-movie-annex.com/

Where is the legal information for the movies in this archive?

They are stolen = no legal info = illegal unlicensed content.

I just contacted Deluxe Pass about this.

the bulldog

Stolen content is BAD. Who here hates having their content stolen? I do.

It isn't right that I should have to pay at least $500 a month for new and fresh content ---- and I'm sure some people here pay thousands ---- whilst other people can get away with stealing it and profiting from theft.

So I contacted A-Pic about this.

Oh yes... I contacted Deluxe Pass, and I'll be contacting ISPrime later.

Have a nice day.

vidsweb

How do you know its stolen?

Mr.Fiction

Why start a thread like this unless you know for a fact that it's stolen?

the bulldog

It's a fact that they're stolen, because that content -- private parts blurred, some subtitled -- isn't available for licensing. You think its possible to license it and that the content in question is licensed?? I'm sure A-Pic will enjoy seeing that proof........

The only place to get it is to rip it illegally from VCDs or DVDs. Again there is no place to license it

Mr.Fiction

If it truly is stolen, you will probably need to go to the people who own the copyright. I believe, though I could be wrong, that A-Pic only handles cases where one of their clients or members owns the copyright that is being ripped off.

If the copyright owners are outside the country, with no U.S. presence or licensing deal, things may not be so clear cut. For many years gore and horror movie places in the U.S. have sold copies of foreign movies claiming that if the creator doesn't have U.S. distribution, they can sell copies here without permission.

It might be bullshit, but it's been going on as long as I can remember. Here is the relevant text from a horror movie site that has been around for a long time:

The section of American copyright law known as "The Berne Act" clearly states: films unreleased in the United States, including original version of films altered and/or edited for release in the United States, are not protected by American copyright; thus, they are considered public domain. The entire purpose of our company is to provide (otherwise unavailable) films to the serious video collector. We do not offer videos owned by American releasing companies. If a film should become available domestically we immediately stop offering it to our clients.

Any lawyers know if this "Berne Act" bit is true?

LoveAsianChicks

Maybe he bought it at an Asian content provider?

Just because that stuff isn't sold at American content providers, it doesn't mean its stolen.

You don't have enough proof to make this claim. Unless you own the content that you claim is being stolen, then say nothing.

the bulldog

nope.

LoveAsianChicks

I'm just trying to stickup for Eru.
I have no idea where his content is from, but from taking a look at the site I'm unsure how you claim without a doubt the content is stolen.

Did you see the members area as well, or just the preview?

fuel123

Did you email the site's owner and ask him if it's stolen or where he purchased it from? I mean as far as I know this still is the US and your innocent until proven guilty.

And why would you post here untill you had proof of your accusations?

Unless you do have proof?

fuel

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because thats GFY for ya.....

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SirTreX

Eru should be able to buy some content from all the money I sent to him for his designservices...

eru

I actually do buy content from Japanese providers like LoveAsianChicks says.

The private parts are blurred because it is ILLEGAL to show people's sex organs in Japan. I'm also in the process of subbing many of the movies myself.

You guys might want to take a look at Bulldog's previous threads:

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/search...searchid=18262

He seems to be bashing everyone left and right. I think he's pissed off that he can't afford to pay his bandwidth bill this month -- <a href="http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=634094">or maybe he's just spacedog on a new name.</a>

-eru

fiveyes

The text of the treaty of the Berne Convention is available at http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/. It doesn't take long to read through, the articles are quite short and straightforward. I fail to see anything like it within. Anyone else?

Besides which, the concept of "not protected by a country's copyright" = "public domain within that country" is exactly the reason the Berne Convention was formed in the first place!

fuel123

Well he said he did buy the content in question. I don't even know the guy but I think it is just wrong to accuse someone of a crime with no proof.

Now are you man enough to admit you are wrong or are you gonna hide with your tail between your legs?


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Gemini

Pot calling the kettle is more like it...

Whats the matter? Amazon catch your hotlinking them again? Or was it barnesandnoble this time?!

Ignore list this idiot.

And his 12 other nicks.

Milton

ICQ fbi they have a emergency icq number.
i dont know what it is thought

the bulldog

I'd love to see the content provider... you know, the one that doesnt exist..

Hey Gemini, whats up BITCH? You don't sound too pleased today........ maybe your FAT hubby could use a few of my penis enlargement guides

zubr

Bulldog, did you get hit so badly the last time you got busted?

Why the hell do you have to put your anger at other people? Unjust accusations wont get you anywhere, get a life!

Remember what happened to Spacedog & CP thread? There's something common in here!

If he in fact has licensed content - he can sue your ass for defamation, so unless you're really sure what the fuck you're talking about, keep it to yourself!

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Sly_RJ

And yet another pretty boy who didn't receive proper attention as a child. Parents these days...

LoveAsianChicks

Bulldog:
Being insulted on the internet doesn't matter. I for one don't care what anyone says about me & I'm sure most people don't care either.

But this goes beyond insults, you are trying to ruin a persons business.
flames are often times funny, but sending e-mails to someones host and processor is wrong unless you have the proof to back it up.

I just don't understand why you would go out of your way to try and screw someone for no reason at all.
Does this benefit you in any way?

Va2k

IT really amazes me that morons are allowed to even turn on a computer... ARGH maybe its the lack of sleep latley but it really does amaze me that sum people such as the bulldog goes to a public message board tries to start shit then when he gets confronted he starts bad mouthing others. I don't know Thought we all were to network together if we wanted to make real $$

When will kids,morons, the likes of the bulldog ever learn??? You get more honey from being nice and you get ya ass ((0)) open wide when you act like a dork!!!

Ole well Ya kids,morons and the bulldog keep making such phools of ya self's It only will bring me more money in the long run

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I vote to ban bulldog. Who's with me?

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the bulldog

OK. I didn't understand a word of that. Next time try passing 3rd grade English. Fuckin' rednecks.

Trax

eru... please show us a license so bulldog can shut up and this thread can be closed.
what a stupidity.. no proof.. nothing
you got nothing better to do with your time?

Va2k

sticks and stones may break my bones...... LMAO I know my grammer sucks but jezz a retarded person can even understand what I was saying!!! Says alot for you.

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Va2k

eru I wouldnt show none of us shit bro. Don't know much about you but if you have the correct shit then fuck em! If you don't Apic will fuck ya Simple as that. You seem like a honest webmaster so I'm sided with you so far

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the bulldog

Yeah...... retarded people tend to stick together.

Gemini

Ever notice that some of the kiddies only post on certain days and times... like when Mommy is out to get the groceries or something?!

And you are wasting your time young pup to reply to this.

1) you are on ignore

2) if I want a challange I'll slam Amp and have a real arguement, not childish sniveling from a deranged penis envying kid.

3) You show more and more foolishness.... Hmmm maybe I was sent to trap you eh?

Va2k

I bet the little cod bag is going to hide. It's one thing to bullshit on this board but when you go after someones money YOU are a prick in my book I have no respect for you or anyone that does stupid shit. Shit like that can cause him to lose his hosting and everything. WHAT IF HE IS LEGIT you freaking morong.....

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the bulldog

I'm sorry that I can't be here 24 hours a day, but people with small penises really crave my attention.

the bulldog

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Va2k

OH NO YOU HURT MY WITEL FEELINGS IM GOING TO HIDE NOW WHAAAAA LENS HE HURT ME WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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the bulldog

suggests that it wasn't meant as a serious insult, idiot. If it was I'd probably have targetted your inability to write in legible English.

Gemini

There There Va, you are just seeing the results of taking untested herbal mixtures.

Va2k

OH besteal my wittle heart
targetted your inability to write in legible English lmao Like everyone knows here My grammer is worse then the big zit on your forehead. Atleast when you grow balls you can pop that bugger, Me Its going to take along time to learn correct english. BUT there is one thing I got you dont. IT is called RESPECT At least im 100% real and im from the heart. I may not make alot of sence but im a man of my word You on the other hand are just that my hand on my private parts

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Va2k

Yea no shit wish I can go back to the 7th grade and that day I decided to skip skewl for the first time and drop that first hit of acid Maybe I wouldnt be as retarted as I am EH?

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the bulldog

Damn rednecks.

When you're done wearing a new pair of socks for the first time, do you eat the fluff from between your toes?

FATPad

So where's the proof that those videos are stolen?

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Va2k

naw I only do that with my undies

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the bulldog

As I've said, subtitled/censored content isn't available for purchase. Innocent until proven guilty blah blah blah. I can't bend the space-time contium to prove that the content is stolen, to make a point with a bunch of message board hicks. The license proves that the content isn't stolen, and so far there isn't one.

For example if I posted a gallery here full of pics and someone questioned whether they were stolen or not. I should produce a license to show that they weren't stolen.

Thats what the license is for. When someone accuses someone of stolen content, they show a license. The license will prove that he owns the content. Don't have one? Then he doesn't own the content.

He'll need to produce it when Deluxe Pass, A-Pic and his host contact him. Nobody is going to shut shit down if the correct documents are produced. Its simply a matter of "yeah i've got them here they are".

If a webmaster doesn't have a license for his content....... is it stolen? YES, it is. You can't PROVE beyond reasonable doubt that content is stolen because there is no documentation to prove so. Its not like there is a "stolen content" license, that people with stolen content use. Duh. But I am 100% sure that the content is unlicensed, hence this posting.

How would you want me to prove that the content is stolen? What should I show?

Also what should eru show to show that his content isn't stolen?

chodadog

Hey bulldog..

the bulldog

Well as I said, I don't have a legal document to show that the content is unlicensed. The NON EXISTANCE of a content agreement is what shows the content is unlicensed.

Content providers will agree with me on this. For example, you open a content site. Later that week you find a webmaster that has your content but no legal documenation for it. The webmaster refuses to / can't produce any legal documents for that content. Is that content stolen? Yes. Its very simple, people.

There is no other way to prove that content is stolen besides the NON existance of a legal document. How else can you tell if content is unlicensed? There is no other way.

As I've said, I am 100% sure that content is unavailable for license. Maybe I'm wrong? Then post the content provider here. Content provider doesn't have an URL? I never heard of an internet content provider that doesn't have a website before. I'd love to see that license and provider, maybe then I'll shut the fuck up and admit that I'm wrong.

chodadog

*points to the picture again*

the bulldog

just be glad its not your content being stolen.

chodadog

chodadog

I report people for using stolen content on a daily basis. I always get at least one shithead that submits a gallery to my TGP that's using stolen content. The difference between you and me is this, i don't try to publically humiliate someone. And if i was, i'd make damn sure i got the "thank you for reporting this asshole" email back from the content provider/sponsors or whoever the hell i report him to.

If he was using stolen content, your stupid ass post just gave him a good chance to get rid of any stolen content. I wouldn't have a clue whether or not the content is stolen, i don't know eru, and i've never been to his site.

But, your post has just made you look like an ass, regardless of whether the content was stolen or not.

UnseenWorld

The way I've heard it from legal types is that there are only three kinds of content you can legally use: 1) content you have explicit permission from the owner to use (e.g., by purchasing it); 2) content that you can document has been put into public domain (the owner explicitly and in writing surrenders copyright to the public domain); and 3) content which is so fuckin' way old that it couldn't possibly be copyrighted any longer. So, which category to these movies fall under? Things don't just fall into PD.

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Gemini

2) content that you can document has been put into public domain (the owner explicitly and in writing surrenders copyright to the public domain);

Actually you are supposed to :

1) have a written permission made out to YOURSELF from the original owner or...

2) Be able to produce a copy of a publically displayed document stating to the effect that it was released to PD AND be able to provide evidence that it WAS the right person that posted it. (THAT could be real hard to prove)

The ONLY legal PD that you can use without license is any photo taken By someone in the employ of the US Govt. Whether military or whatever.

But that I believe is only legal for US citizens to do.