Christianity has gone to shit

[nocostporn]

I was just watching the news and child molesting priest are commiting suicide now...How the fuck can people devote their lives to religion when the people who are supposed to be speaking "Gods words" are commiting sins left and right? No wonder I've been scared to go in churches and get goosebumps when I read the bible (no im not santanic) Just hate bullshit and it seems like Christianity is basically the biggest scam in the history of the universe and the bible is the first volume from DR Suess...

[Fletch XXX]

Youve just realized this?

Id ask myself how can someone put their faith in a Religion that has the track record Christianity has, I mean Catholics are Saints hahaha....

[eRock]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Youve just realized this?

No shit. LOL

[Babaganoosh]

Fuck religion. I try to be a good person anyway. You don't need some make believe God to make you be a good person. Just do it. Religion is for the weak.

[Keev]

Its amazing how the media is coming down on 1 religion so hard when if you play the numbers its less than 1/2 of 1% of the clergy. I am sure u could do a witch hunt in any religions clergy and find those same numbers doing shit....

If they are gonna hunt one, hunt all!

[dipshit moron retard]

you wouldn't find the number of molesting priests as high in other religions because most aren't as stupid as to force an empty vow of chastity on it's clergy. that's really the root of the problem. and the media is making such a big deal about it because of all the coverups associated with it as much as they are the crime itself.

[LiveDose]

The catholic church for one is the most brilliant business scam of all times. No income tax, no real estate tax and they live by their own rule of law. Plus they have convinced millions of people to drop money envelopes into baskets every Sunday. Over 1 billion dollars of this cash has already been paid out as hush money to protect the child molesters who operate within their walls.

Keev I think people are more upset with the fact that many many priests knew what was going on and chose to stay quiet. That is what has caused the media frenzy.

As far as these scumbags committing suicide.... Hopefully more of them will. Just think of the taxpayer dime that will be saved in possible future prosecutions of these sicko child molesters and kiddie fuckers.

It's just sick. And very very sad...

[LiveDose]

dipshit moron retard, dude every time I see your name I crack up... Thanks.

[[Labret]]

Catholics are not christians.

Read for yourself

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

You know what chick tracts are. Those little comics you find in laundromats or at the library.

[ezwink]

Originally posted by dipshit moron retard
you wouldn't find the number of molesting priests as high in other religions because most aren't as stupid as to force an empty vow of chastity on it's clergy. that's really the root of the problem. and the media is making such a big deal about it because of all the coverups associated with it as much as they are the crime itself.

It doesn't have anything to do with "vow of chastity". If this is true, why is it that the overwhelming majority of those abused are boys? If I didn't have sex for 10 years, and I loved women, I wouldn't all of sudden want a boy under 18. Not to mention anything the media pegs as being the "cause" you can bet is wrong.

The "root" of the problem is one much deeper and less simple- more related to the Catholic church bureaucracy not screening who they let in. They'll take the 18 year old kid, who sat in the back of the class as the "unpopular weird kid". Now he goes to become a priest, and he's mister popularity. You know the kind -- the guy who everyone thinks might just kill himself one day or everyone else...but he's not quite there yet?

I know this sounds strange, but growing up and being forced to go to Catholic schools, I saw this on more than one occassion.
We had this guy who was like 300 pounds at 13, and very, very shy and aloof. The first bit of praise he got from all the adults was one day when he came in and declared (at 13) he was going to be a priest.

Either way, it can't be denied that the Catholic church covered things up and would'nt listen when people told them not to...that's why their in hot water.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by dipshit moron retard
you wouldn't find the number of molesting priests as high in other religions because most aren't as stupid as to force an empty vow of chastity on it's clergy. that's really the root of the problem. and the media is making such a big deal about it because of all the coverups associated with it as much as they are the crime itself.

It's well established the pedophiles are NOT created through the deprivation of sex with adult partners. Stop passing along that misinformation, please. There are lots of good reasons to let priests have sex, but that is not one of them.

[RaGe]

I saw an infomercial once where they were selling a small vial of "holy water" that would make all your problems go away for $19.99 plus s/h. No shit.

[^R3K^]

Since when did Christians become Catholic?
The earliest of the Christians were Roman Catholics, but That Latter changed..

Thats like saying those darn buddhist Jews..



I'm sure these Molesters have nothing to do with Catholicism's Open arms to gays..

[TopTGP]

Christians are supposed to love everybody. If you think about it, a majority of all christians hate gay people, as well as people of different faiths.

[^R3K^]

Originally posted by TopTGP
Christians are supposed to love everybody...

HAHA.. Who told you that?

[chodadog]

I believe in god.. But i am yet to find a religion i don't think is laughable. They have some pretty fucked up views.

To me, it's simple. Live your life in the way you feel is right.

[TheApostate]

true christianity is a wonderful thing.

obviously pedophile priests and an organization that allows them to do what they do have nothing to do with christianity.

true christianity doesn't hate homosexuals or people of other faiths.

just because so-called "christians" behave a certain way is no reason to label an entire belief system.

[TopTGP]

R3K, Jesus said to love everybody.

Jesus is gods son. Thus making him, a christian kinda guy

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld


It's well established the pedophiles are NOT created through the deprivation of sex with adult partners. Stop passing along that misinformation, please. There are lots of good reasons to let priests have sex, but that is not one of them.

I don't think it's so much the lack of sex that the vow of chastity creates that is causing this problem...rather than that this vow of chastity creates a hide out for those in the Catholic Church with sexual issues...whether it just be that they are homosexuals looking to hide out and not come to terms with their sexuality or pedophiles looking for a place to hide out.

I mean who else would want to commit to such a thing?
The vow of chastity goes against all that is natural.

And have you ever considered why they call church and places of worship...."SANCTUARY?".

According to Merriam-Webster:
Sanctuary:
1 : a consecrated place: as a : the ancient Hebrew temple at Jerusalem or its holy of holies
2 : a (1) : a place of refuge and protection b : the immunity from law attached to a sanctuary

Of course most people would say it's becauseof defenition #1, but it's also associated with defenition #2...especially b.

So to sum up what I'm saying...I think the priesthood became a hide out for what the world considered sexual deviants from homosexuals to pedophiles and anything in between.

Now mix that with the power that Catholics give to their priests etc and you've got the right ingredients for the abuse of that power.

[TheApostate]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


I don't think it's so much the lack of sex that the vow of chastity creates that is causing this problem...rather than that this vow of chastity creates a hide out for those in the Catholic Church with sexual issues...whether it just be that they are homosexuals looking to hide out and not come to terms with their sexuality or pedophiles looking for a place to hide out.

I mean who else would want to commit to such a thing?
The vow of chastity goes against all that is natural.

yeah, it's weirdos becoming priests not priests becoming weirdos

[^R3K^]

Originally posted by TopTGP
R3K, Jesus said to love everybody.

Jesus is gods son. Thus making him, a christian kinda guy

All Christians strive to be like christ, in everyway.. but all of them also know that it can not happen.. they cant be sinless.

Also "true christianians" believe that every word in the bible is true, and so homosexuality is an sin in their book. Thus they have a conflict, Love thy neighbor, or hold in content thy neighbor for his sins.. its a conflict that goes on in any christians mind...

[Milton]

what is religion? no religion fits me..no porn god to pray to ..

[eroswebmaster]

Back when I managed for Taco Bell we used to have this Catholic School that was only for unwed mothers put in a phone order on Friday for pick up on Sundays..it would be huge.

I affectionaly called the church school...."Our lady of accidental conception."

[Pathfinder]

There are ciminals within any walk of life.

[dizank]

religion=crap=bullshit=trash=true

plain and simple its all a big fucking joke. how many millions have died in the name of a "god". why would you kill or be killed over something so intangible?(spelling) i belive things when i see things, and i havent ever seen a man split a sea, or anything of that crap, and what did god have imported bottled water brought in from all over the galaxy so it could rain for so long? christians and otherwise religious fanatics need to pull thier heads out of their asses and wake up. the catholic church is one of the worst ideas ever, as if that isnt blaringly apparent anyways. and trying finding an open minded christian to have a religious conversation with, you rip a few holes in thier religion and they freak out and call you names, etc. or they cry!

not to say that i dont believe in a god. just think the bible is a bit over rated.

[eru]

I think the atheist population on the internet outnumbers the religious population by far. I hate religion--it's all a cult. It's a big waste of time!

Oh yea, on a side note. If you want to read a **REALLY GOOD** sci-fi book that involves the ultimate corruptness of the Catholic Church, I suggest you snag a copy of the Hyperion series (Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, Endymion, Rise of Endymion). It is an excellent hard sci-fi.

Anyway, don't forget to promote Jesus Dialer.

-eru

[eru]

This topic can be summed down in one question:

Did man great god or did god create man?

We, humans, always need to know answers. We created god as the ultimate answer to things that still remain unknown to us. As science progresses, religion declines.

-eru

[nocostporn]

There are so many "claimed Gods" who has more knowledge of it then the next person? Not ALL religion is shit,I mean we all believe in something most likely but just more simple without all the restriction...Wanna point out something hypocritical (I'm sure you have noticed) Our countries motto is "in God we Trust" but the country has millions of its OWN peoples blood on its hands,10 commandments don't say "thou shall not kill unless thee neighbor slams planes into thy buildings" The World is shit people... anybody trying to pray to me? I've got beer

btw,If this thread was titled "Jewdism is shit"...who would have went off on me?

[RedShoe]

You guys are all going to hell!!

I don't want to have any part of your anti christian views.
Get educated, go to
http://BornAgain-Christians.com

[Nano]

Hey, don't talk this way about priests, remember they are our main porn customers.

Marx dixit ;-)

[baremuffin]

Originally posted by TheApostate


yeah, it's weirdos becoming priests not priests becoming weirdos

A resounding 'Amen, brother!' on that one. My family is/was Catholic (my Dad was until he visited VietNam in the sixties, lol, now he's a 'recovering Catholic') but I was raised sort of anti-religious. My main curiosities fell upon the priest's role as an advisor, to family, to couple, to everybody. I never quite got how a man who's not allowed to fuck, who's not allowed to even wish for a family, and a man who's very dogma dictates that women are basically shit (ok, maybe that's too harsh, but close!) not holy enough to even BE a spiritual leader could possibly be expected to dish out advice that would accomplish anything except maybe to give Sickie Wifebeater more ammo. A group that condemns abortion for any reason as murder, and somehow manages to include condoms and the bc pill in the same equation, hence those seven and eight kid families that are destitute and yet still scrape up 10% (of what, their oatmeal?) to give their church... yep, the very same one that won't allow poor Mrs. Wifebeater the basic right to survive without being asskicked on a daily basis because she managed to marry some dipshit and now the church says she's stuck with him forever or else she's punted out of her 'God's' fold, while her church provides succor to some non-Catholic woman who's pimp kicked her ass and burned her house down for 'public relations' while telling that woman if she comes home to God none of this horrible stuff would happen to her anymore... as long as she avoided condoms, didn't want a divorce, and didn't mind taking advice from some freaky perv who's probably already thinking about boning her son.

But then, that's just my take on the recent events... with a little personal bitterness thrown in (the divorce thing is a big sore spot for me) for flavor. It's all really silly, and if it weren't for the victimization of these people, it'd be rather laughable. But the Church has a long and illustrious history of injuring, exploiting and even killing it's own congregation; on some level, I guess some people are probably glad they only got raped rather than burned at the stake.

Eeek, sounds so bitter, lol... for some reason, even though I'm not a 'Catholic' per se, maybe because it's my family background, these things with the priests and the church and the refusal of the church to accept any responsibility for their knowledge of and protection of these predators?

Oops, was that too serious for this forum? Heh, I've got a bug about THIS one...

Signin off, end rant, thanks for the space,
Michelle

[Beastiepoo]

Seems many have missed the starting title of this thread ie "Christianity has gone to shit". Christianity or Catholicism haven't gone to shit. They're both very little different than they've always been. The only change is that the churches hold over people has slipped and we now find out about it. This is certainly not something that's suddenly happened.

Many of mans worst attrocities were done on the name of religion. If anything religions probably improved in that sense - if there were any way to prove it I'd bet money that there were as many or more than likely more child molesting priests in times past.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Fuck religion. I try to be a good person anyway. You don't need some make believe God to make you be a good person. Just do it. Religion is for the weak.

My philosophy exactly. I'm "better" than most of the religious people I know. Funny how that works...

[JFK]

"Christianity has gone to shit"


How far is that from here? Does it cost much to get there? Will they except the non ELITE?

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

My philosophy exactly. I'm "better" than most of the religious people I know. Funny how that works...

I'm not religious, but I do believe that ethics makes no sense without at least a belief in absolutes. In other words, you can't build a true ethic around an ethics of relativism ("everyone has their own right and wrong" or "what's right for one person can be wrong for someone else").

Why? Well, pedophilia might feel right to someone who belongs to NAMBLA, whereas to other people it would seem wrong. But to claim it's wrong, you need to refer to something absolute. Otherwise, it's just a vote and pedophilia isn't REALLY wrong, it's just what some people think, and other people think differently.

The absolute doesn't have to be God. It can be a sort of platonic ethical reality existing behind everyday existence.

However, I feel that if you do believe in God, a God who actually cares whether you murder somebody, cheat on your taxes (or your wife), or litter the streets would seem to be better than something more abstract, like Paul Tillich's "Ground of Being."

[ADIDAS]

Buddhism has to be the way to go...

you have never heard that one of the monks abused a child.

no violence, everyone do what you do type of mentality.

tellin ya, this has to be the way to go......

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by ADIDAS
Buddhism has to be the way to go...

you have never heard that one of the monks abused a child.

no violence, everyone do what you do type of mentality.

tellin ya, this has to be the way to go......

I've also never heard of them getting drunk or marrying models. Buddhism is definitely not my bag...

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld


I'm not religious, but I do believe that ethics makes no sense without at least a belief in absolutes. In other words, you can't build a true ethic around an ethics of relativism ("everyone has their own right and wrong" or "what's right for one person can be wrong for someone else").

Why? Well, pedophilia might feel right to someone who belongs to NAMBLA, whereas to other people it would seem wrong. But to claim it's wrong, you need to refer to something absolute. Otherwise, it's just a vote and pedophilia isn't REALLY wrong, it's just what some people think, and other people think differently.

The absolute doesn't have to be God. It can be a sort of platonic ethical reality existing behind everyday existence.

However, I feel that if you do believe in God, a God who actually cares whether you murder somebody, cheat on your taxes (or your wife), or litter the streets would seem to be better than something more abstract, like Paul Tillich's "Ground of Being."

I think I do agree with that. I can't really compare myself though because I have been raised in a Catholic family and I do still hold many of the same morals and ideas as my family, but I choose not to associate those ideas and such with religion for various reasons.

The Golden Rule is good.

[Beastiepoo]

Originally posted by Milton
what is religion? no religion fits me..no porn god to pray to ..

Sure there is!!! Now where did I put my Boneprone statue and my good weed????

[OUOTE]Originally posted by ADIDAS
Buddhism has to be the way to go...

you have never heard that one of the monks abused a child.

no violence, everyone do what you do type of mentality.

tellin ya, this has to be the way to go...... [/QUOTE]
But seriously, I agree with ADIDAS.
I'm not big on religion generally having been brought up a Pentacostal Christian. They tend to dance around and stuff like that. Fanatics. I never had anything against them until the last time I went home to see my Mum. We had a bar-b-que and her church friends tried to convert my hubby. Ever since then I just smile and nod whenever my Mum mentions the whole religion issue.

[Bliz]

Hey Nocostporn, just wondering if any more of these child molesting "holy men" have bit the dust around our way again today? I didn't get to catch the local news today but I'm hopeful!

This shit is ridiculous.....Wednesday I turn on the news to see that an Ex-Priest had been gunned down in the middle of the street. The guy that did the shooting had been molested by this Priest as a child. Supposedly this victim's family had went to the police and the church many times for help, but received little more than nothing. Seeing all the recent events in the news brought this guy to his breaking point so he grabbed a .357 and took the law into him own hands. Can we blame the guy??? The Priest survived only because several shots missed and hit his SUV. Too bad he wasn't a better shot. You all may have caught that story nationally....

The next night I probably saw the same news report as Nocostporn there. A Priest in his 60's hung himself at a some center for "Priest with problems" where he was being treated for pedophilia. WTF???!!!!!!!

Just thought I'd quickly recap for those who may not have caught these stories of the past few days.


If you really need something to believe in....BELIEVE IN YOURSELF!!!

[TopCashQ]

I might be straying a bit "off thread" here, but what the hell....

To me, the central problem with most deity-centered faiths is the proscribing of human traits, preconceptions and attitudes onto "God". It makes absolutely zero sense that anything purported to be infinite and all-encompassing would be petty, jealous, vain, cruel and often downright sick in the head.

There's a phrase that a professor of mine used to make use of all the time; "That which is beyond words and forms" - if there is a God, I think that phrase pretty much sums it up.

[nocostporn]

Bliz...Only one suicide so far... But Yeah there was a guy that shot a preist for molesting him 15 years ago...
I don't think this molesting shit has ANYTHING to do with having a life of celibacy... Like somebody said,if I hadn't got any for awhile I'm going to get a whore or some shit...These boys are being prayed on...


To continue the subject of religion as a whole...what does everybody believe in exactly? Not a specified religion but what you think actually created us and what not....

[ADIDAS]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I've also never heard of them getting drunk or marrying models. Buddhism is definitely not my bag...

Well bhuddists do marry...and models as well.

But Sly I dont think you COULD marry a model even if you weren't bhuddist!

[DexterD]

The thing that's really sick in all this is that the "church" is sueing the parents of the kids who were molested by these so-called priests.

But there is new hope! Check out the latest at:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/17/pri....ap/index.html

hehehe. Now we are talkin'!

Dexter.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by ADIDAS


Well bhuddists do marry...and models as well.

But Sly I dont think you COULD marry a model even if you weren't bhuddist!

Burn baby, burn! Now get back to work and quit playing with your Luke Skywalker doll.

[ADIDAS]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Burn baby, burn! Now get back to work and quit playing with your Luke Skywalker doll.

Not Luke, its Anakin now!

Get with the fuckin program you shit!

LOL

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by ADIDAS
Buddhism has to be the way to go...

you have never heard that one of the monks abused a child.

no violence, everyone do what you do type of mentality.

tellin ya, this has to be the way to go......

I don't think you understand Buddhism very well. Buddhist monks are just as human as Christian monks. No violence? Ever heard of Shaolin? (Sure, they don't instigate violence, but are well prepared to become the winner...they are NOT total pacifists!) "Everyone do what you you do type of mentality"? No, they believe in vegetarianism, so doing what you want to do won't include hamburgers and fried chicken. Also, their monks (in most sects I'm aware of) take a chastity vow as well.

Some interesting differences between classic Buddhism and Christianity: Buddhism is an atheistic religion (no personal deity like Yahweh/Jehovah). Buddhism aims not at the preservation of the individual soul, but its extinction (release from birth and death and absorption into the primordial oneness of everything).

Whereas Christianity has an ethic of righteousness, the Buddhist ethic is concerned with ending man's craving...which would include a craving for sex and sexual release.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I think I do agree with that. I can't really compare myself though because I have been raised in a Catholic family and I do still hold many of the same morals and ideas as my family, but I choose not to associate those ideas and such with religion for various reasons.

The Golden Rule is good.

But if someone asks "WHY is the Golden Rule good?" it's hard to reply without reference to an absolute. If you want to refer to the fact that most people agree with it, well most people are religious, too.

[Satan]

I just can't help but like this entire thread