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Why does every second designer think they're the best?

05-13-2006, 03:49 AM

Every so often, I see a mediocre designer who thinks he's better than everyone else.. It's hilarious.

I just had this guy hit me up on ICQ (after I put him on ignore, he registered another ICQ just to keep it going ) telling me how he's so much better than wyldestites, webinc, and basically everyone.

What's with the huge egos?

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05-13-2006, 03:54 AM

wow thats over doing it .

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05-13-2006, 04:05 AM

Dunno, but I have often wondered that myself.

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05-13-2006, 04:21 AM

the answere is easy: everyone desighns for his taste, that is why everyone thinks his desighn is the best in the world.

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05-13-2006, 05:20 AM

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05-13-2006, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by EdgeXXX

Dunno, but I have often wondered that myself.

So i'm not the only one..

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05-13-2006, 07:13 AM

There are some pretty average designers out there - no doubt

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05-13-2006, 07:18 AM

i will explain...

design work is basically art , so its the eye of the beholder that makes the difference.

So i have no doubt most deisgners think they do better "art" than others..

But site owners dont buy "art" they buy designs to make them money

If design A) was better "art" than design B) but design B) sold twice as well. what design do you want to buy ??

so undoubtedly quality of design is a rather moot point, there are so many factors that can make a good design.

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05-13-2006, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

i will explain...

design work is basically art , so its the eye of the beholder that makes the difference.

So i have no doubt most deisgners think they do better "art" than others..

But site owners dont buy "art" they buy designs to make them money

If design A) was better "art" than design B) but design B) sold twice as well. what design do you want to buy ??

so undoubtedly quality of design is a rather moot point, there are so many factors that can make a good design.

correct, but there is still crap design ;)

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05-13-2006, 08:28 AM

I think it also has to do with keeping your own self esteem from being crushed under the weight of people having trash to say even when a design is good. It's not just bad designers that get told their shit sucks.
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05-13-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by wdforty

Why does every second designer think they're the best?

Because, "Hi...I'm a mediocre newb designer and can put together a really shitty graphic that doesn't suit your needs," - just isn't a progressive or lucrative catch phrase.
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05-13-2006, 10:10 AM

Always wondered that myself, when I see a designer coming here saying he is the best money can buy blablabla I am always like yeah right.

When people actually want you cause they hear good things about you from various sources than you might be allowed to say you are a good designer. But good only comes down too the conversions anyway imo.

Besides that everybody knows I was the best before I went exclusive lol ;)))

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05-13-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe

Always wondered that myself, when I see a designer coming here saying he is the best money can buy blablabla I am always like yeah right.

When people actually want you cause they hear good things about you from various sources than you might be allowed to say you are a good designer. But good only comes down too the conversions anyway imo.

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05-13-2006, 10:33 AM

After reading most of the replies so far - one thing I noticed is everyone seems to focus on whether a design converts or not. Ya'll seem to be denegrating anything that's "artsy" and doesn't sell.

But...

Although much of what we do IS business and for-profit....along with our commercial paysites, many of us also own/operate free sites too. In which case, a design needn't be judged on whether it converts or not.

People are sometimes too quick to slag a designer or graphic artist based solely on a design's ability (or lack thereof) to convert. Saying a person's design talents or capabilities suck (because they don't convert) denegrates someone who may have taken a lot of formal design training and courses over the years, has a lot of experience and background...and is actually quite talented in many respects.

Recommendations from others are good, of course (if you don't mind sorting through favoritism or fake nicks). But nothing beats a great online portfolio that anyone can easily check out for themselves.
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05-13-2006, 10:58 AM

Because advertising as the "Second Best" doesnt cut it.

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05-13-2006, 11:07 AM

I think it is impossible to even use the word best when it comes to a designer. It is just the wrong damn word and it would be impossible to prove regardless in relation to the design ability. Sure you could prove one person may have the best price per project though of course.

Yet with this or many mediums, the best is impossible to accurately say. Each product is different, each customer is different, each possible person seeing the design and what they think of it is different, and so forth.

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05-13-2006, 11:23 AM

You guys are misunderstanding the entire point behind "design". An 18 year old kid that knows some fancy photoshop techniques is in no way a designer. The guys on GFY, and the vast majority of adult "designers" don't know the first thing about usability or user-centered design. I would suspect that 99% of them could not cut it as a mainstream designer and/or developer, so they stay in Adult. Design is different than "art"; while the outcome may be similar, the two processes are fueled by entirely different cores. Personally I like MikeW and Webinc, the rest are just Photoshop gurus IMO.
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05-13-2006, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by w0rstluk

You guys are misunderstanding the entire point behind "design". An 18 year old kid that knows some fancy photoshop techniques is in no way a designer. The guys on GFY, and the vast majority of adult "designers" don't know the first thing about usability or user-centered design. I would suspect that 99% of them could not cut it as a mainstream designer and/or developer, so they stay in Adult. Design is different than "art"; while the outcome may be similar, the two processes are fueled by entirely different cores. Personally I like MikeW and Webinc, the rest are just Photoshop gurus IMO.

This is what happens when a discussion dissolves into generalities and assumptive conclusions.
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05-13-2006, 04:09 PM

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05-13-2006, 04:10 PM

Photographers too... although there may be a few humble ones.

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05-13-2006, 04:11 PM

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05-13-2006, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Alex

Because advertising as the "Second Best" doesnt cut it.

that's what it all comes down to , its the same on websites " we have the HOTTEST girls on the net"

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05-13-2006, 06:05 PM

there is NO such thing as best designer - there are only two types

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05-13-2006, 06:24 PM

he actually registered a new icq nick to talk to you?

wtf? LOL

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05-13-2006, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by madawgz

he actually registered a new icq nick to talk to you?

wtf? LOL

The guy was pretty delusional and I had work to do, so I put him on ignore. Next thing I know I had him on another UIN talking more shit

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05-13-2006, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by w0rstluk

You guys are misunderstanding the entire point behind "design". An 18 year old kid that knows some fancy photoshop techniques is in no way a designer. The guys on GFY, and the vast majority of adult "designers" don't know the first thing about usability or user-centered design. I would suspect that 99% of them could not cut it as a mainstream designer and/or developer, so they stay in Adult. Design is different than "art"; while the outcome may be similar, the two processes are fueled by entirely different cores. Personally I like MikeW and Webinc, the rest are just Photoshop gurus IMO.

As a designer, I have a lot of respect for MikeW and webinc too.

So when this guy to referred to them as "clip artists" I made this thread

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