So I'm doing research and joining sites, guess which processor denied and banned me? - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 05-10-2006, 08:00 AM

I'm doing some research and decided to join a bunch of paysites. My credit card has never been used in adult before. Fresh. Should work everywhere.

I try Dhd Media. Successful
I try Paycom. Successful
I try Netbilling. Successful
I try Ccbill. DENIED! Not only denied i tried entering in my information twice and now it says Banned Ip and Too Many entries today.

ARGH. Figures sales are crap today.

jimthefiend · 05-10-2006, 08:03 AM

Try Ibill.

JD · 05-10-2006, 08:05 AM

did you do all those joins in a few hours?

rip raster · 05-10-2006, 08:05 AM

this explains alot....my sales have been extremly inconsistant over the last few weeks

XxXotic · 05-10-2006, 08:06 AM

yeah, could be a case of 4 processors too fast and your bank declining it because they suspect fraud?

Tom_PM · 05-10-2006, 08:07 AM

Maybe the scrub is high on the site you tried for that one?

Shap · 05-10-2006, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxXotic

yeah, could be a case of 4 processors too fast and your bank declining it because they suspect fraud?

Ccbill was the first i tried and they denied me before i joined any of the others.

sltr · 05-10-2006, 08:09 AM

i'm getting a vivbe that shap does NOT like ccbill.

could be wrong though

JD · 05-10-2006, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Ccbill was the first i tried and they denied me before i joined any of the others.

ew......

karlm · 05-10-2006, 08:12 AM

Shap · 05-10-2006, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sltr

i'm getting a vivbe that shap does NOT like ccbill.

could be wrong though

I use ccbill. I rely on ccbill. I like ccbill. I'm just bummed at what happened today. They know. I've emailed them.

If every other processor blocked me I'd think ok my cc isn't going thru.
Instead ccbill denied me first then the others accepted me. Not one other processor denied me. I joined 4 dhd sites in 10 minutes and they all went thru. It's starting to make me think I'm losing alot of money.

XxXotic · 05-10-2006, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Ccbill was the first i tried and they denied me before i joined any of the others.

so much for that idea

BVF · 05-10-2006, 08:15 AM

I turned off denial emails off awhile ago..I don't even want to know when it happens anymore.

John69 · 05-10-2006, 08:16 AM

try "intellabroke"

Drake · 05-10-2006, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Try Ibill.

DeanCapture · 05-10-2006, 08:30 AM

Sorry to hear about that Shap - scarry shit huh???

justsexxx · 05-10-2006, 08:30 AM

Maybe you didn't have enough funds?

Okay on a serious note. This sucks indeed. I'm curious what the decline reason was/is. A few guesses

1. Still a few active memberships to paysites
2. CC from country A while buying it from country B?

I hope they give you the decline reason. I'm very curious myself

Andre

Chio · 05-10-2006, 08:34 AM

YARGH! It could be possible that a shared db was used, and all the previous charges you did raised some red flags.

__________________

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abadfish · 05-10-2006, 08:37 AM

I hear this from a lot of people, always fun when they are potential customers.

Egomancer · 05-10-2006, 08:42 AM

;)

Interesting stuff...

Egomancer

corvette · 05-10-2006, 08:46 AM

Shap, there is a very good reason that you were denied, and just by knowing a bit about you, i guessed what the reason was before i even checked/confirmed it

natas · 05-10-2006, 08:52 AM

come on then corvette, spill the beans

IWantU_Jeff · 05-10-2006, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Try Ibill.

MarkMan · 05-10-2006, 09:12 AM

hmmm

and i use more ccbill sponcers then anything else

Paul Markham · 05-10-2006, 09:16 AM

I see the denials and CCBILL bounce them to the other billing companies. Chances are if CCBILL turn them down the rest do.

Never worry about the ones that slip pass the net.

Roald · 05-10-2006, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

Shap, there is a very good reason that you were denied, and just by knowing a bit about you, i guessed what the reason was before i even checked/confirmed it

So what was it?

Shap · 05-10-2006, 09:39 AM

Btw i knew making this post wasn't the smartest thing to do. There are always reasons for declines and reasons for sales being off. I think one thing that processors (and their employees and reps) completely fail to realize is the thought process of us Paysite Owners and the affiliates that promote them. The majority of us have never worked for a processor and never had the privilege of seeing exactly how a processor works. That being said a lot of what is said is pure speculation. Without any knowledge of how their backend works and without ever hearing anything but everything is ok all we have to go by is our stats and experiences.

- When stats drops by 30% in one day for no reason logic tells me something is not right.
- When stats drop 30% on the exact same date (not day of the week but actual date of the month) as last month logic tells me something is not right.
- When my credit card that works everywhere else is declined that tells me something is not right.
- When other reputable webmasters complain about unexplainable drops in sales that gets me wondering.
- When other reputable webmasters report their credit card was denied that gets me wondering.

Starting this thread wasn't the smartest thing. However ccbill has to know people are talking and questioning wtf is going on. Last month I got more emails from fellow ccbill paysite owners asking if my sales were down than ever before. I love ccbill. I like their risk averse style. It makes me feel comfortable about their future and the future of my money with them. With our $$$ on the line it sometiems is very frustrating and tough to stay quiet. Especially when you have a mouth like mine.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-10-2006, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

Shap, there is a very good reason that you were denied, and just by knowing a bit about you, i guessed what the reason was before i even checked/confirmed it

care to share the reason with the rest of the class ?

Shap · 05-10-2006, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaShe

So what was it?

Just talked to Corvette. I jumped the gun and messed up on something. Bad sales ratios always mess with my head.

Matt_WildCash · 05-10-2006, 09:44 AM

All processors seem to use different blocked lists. I can't even join my own sites at Wildcash.com via Paycom (blocked Australia) but we cascade to CCbill and CCbill allow Australian credit cards and we can signup no worries.

3xTom · 05-10-2006, 09:47 AM

Shap also my card was declined by ccbill 3 times in the past 2 weeks on my own sites really odd if you ask me...

but happily i have another processor to flip to when this happens and it seems its been happening ALOT with ccbill lately

Shap · 05-10-2006, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

care to share the reason with the rest of the class ?

It had something to do with me more than them, that's why he didn't share the info

munki · 05-10-2006, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Just talked to Corvette. I jumped the gun and messed up on something. Bad sales ratios always mess with my head.

Soooo... porblem solved?

Shap · 05-10-2006, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom

Shap also my card was declined by ccbill 3 times in the past 2 weeks on my own sites really odd if you ask me...

but happily i have another processor to flip to when this happens and it seems its been happening ALOT with ccbill lately

Surprising thing is most sites i tried to join were ccbill only. It screwed my research LOL. I swear if I ever needed a job I'd do paysite consulting. I know about 10 sites (from today's experience) that I could go in and increase their revenue 5 to 10% within 2 weeks LOL.

quantum-x · 05-10-2006, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom

Shap also my card was declined by ccbill 3 times in the past 2 weeks on my own sites really odd if you ask me...

but happily i have another processor to flip to when this happens and it seems its been happening ALOT with ccbill lately

Def NOT the only sponsor that this is happening to.

Shap · 05-10-2006, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikyMunki

Soooo... porblem solved?

Yes

corvette · 05-10-2006, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom

Shap also my card was declined by ccbill 3 times in the past 2 weeks on my own sites really odd if you ask me...

but happily i have another processor to flip to when this happens and it seems its been happening ALOT with ccbill lately

icq me the details and we will check the reason out and get back to you

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RogerV · 05-10-2006, 10:00 AM

Shap i do give you balls for making post like this.. Hopefully you achieve something out of it other then stress..

If you notice a proccessor tightening up the scrub flip over to another. thats the only thing you can really do.

Some tighten up more in the beginning of the month and others at the end of the month

Evil Chris · 05-10-2006, 10:03 AM

Shap, they have pictures of you at most borders.

So it's no surprise to me that CCBill has a picture of you too.

munki · 05-10-2006, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Yes

Good to see some drama handled for once on the boards!!!

Any clues as to what the hold up was in case others are experiencing similar?

Manowar · 05-10-2006, 10:05 AM

This thread isn't fun

seeric · 05-10-2006, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Just talked to Corvette. I jumped the gun and messed up on something. Bad sales ratios always mess with my head.

shap,

i did the exact same thing with paycom the other day. i got to number crunching and nothing was making sense. i called up rand and got all bent out of shape. spent some time on the phone with him, isolated the issue, and felt like a goof. i know you are an o.g. at the processing thing, but it is one of the very few things i haven't had complete learning experience with since i started in 99, so i am a noob at it. in the end, it was the bad ratios that set me off. problem was addressed and things are nice. big thanks to rand for being a great guy and taking the time to show me the things that i was cloudy. i'm sure your experience or issue wasn't what mine was, but this post just made me think of my day yesterday.

airek

3xTom · 05-10-2006, 10:19 AM

well seems whatever the problem was is ok now

Thanks corvett for looking into this for me

andrej_NDC · 05-10-2006, 11:31 AM

different cc address than the location?

WiredGuy · 05-10-2006, 11:57 AM

For some reason I've always had problems ordering via ccbill as well. Like Webmaster Access badge registration is through ccbill and both times I registered, I timed out (didn't get denied, but timed out each time). Its an odd problem but I hope I'm the only one experiencing it.
WG

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-10-2006, 12:07 PM

So whats this "Goof", or "Explaination"?

A little insider secret when the scrub is up and down during the month?
So far thats my best guess.

jesse_adultdatingdollars · 05-10-2006, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I'm doing some research and decided to join a bunch of paysites. My credit card has never been used in adult before. Fresh. Should work everywhere.

I try Dhd Media. Successful
I try Paycom. Successful
I try Netbilling. Successful
I try Ccbill. DENIED! Not only denied i tried entering in my information twice and now it says Banned Ip and Too Many entries today.

ARGH. Figures sales are crap today.

Paycom rules ALL processing, period.

NTSS · 05-10-2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

It had something to do with me more than them, that's why he didn't share the info

You're gay and can only join gay sites?

rowan · 05-10-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt_WildCash

All processors seem to use different blocked lists. I can't even join my own sites at Wildcash.com via Paycom (blocked Australia) but we cascade to CCbill and CCbill allow Australian credit cards and we can signup no worries.

What the... are you saying that Paycom deny all transactions originating from Australia?

bigdog · 05-10-2006, 01:08 PM

Have you looked into your own merchant account? Not like you need certain features to bleed the surfers to death

05-10-2006, 08:00 AM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	So I'm doing research and joining sites, guess which processor denied and banned me? I'm doing some research and decided to join a bunch of paysites. My credit card has never been used in adult before. Fresh. Should work everywhere. I try Dhd Media. Successful I try Paycom. Successful I try Netbilling. Successful I try Ccbill. DENIED! Not only denied i tried entering in my information twice and now it says Banned Ip and Too Many entries today. ARGH. Figures sales are crap today.

05-10-2006, 08:06 AM	#5
XxXotic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Da Swamps Posts: 8,500	yeah, could be a case of 4 processors too fast and your bank declining it because they suspect fraud? __________________ Sponsors.. Tired of people not using your shitty RSS Feeds? Let Us Help You! Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013

05-10-2006, 08:07 AM	#6
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05-10-2006, 08:12 AM	#10
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05-10-2006, 08:15 AM	#13
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	I turned off denial emails off awhile ago..I don't even want to know when it happens anymore. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

05-10-2006, 08:03 AM	#2
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	Try Ibill.

05-10-2006, 08:05 AM	#3
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	did you do all those joins in a few hours?

05-10-2006, 08:05 AM	#4
rip raster Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Everville Posts: 2,851	this explains alot....my sales have been extremly inconsistant over the last few weeks

05-10-2006, 08:09 AM	#8
sltr Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,191	i'm getting a vivbe that shap does NOT like ccbill. could be wrong though

05-10-2006, 08:16 AM	#14
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05-10-2006, 08:30 AM	#16
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Sorry to hear about that Shap - scarry shit huh??? __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

05-10-2006, 08:30 AM	#17
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Maybe you didn't have enough funds? Okay on a serious note. This sucks indeed. I'm curious what the decline reason was/is. A few guesses 1. Still a few active memberships to paysites 2. CC from country A while buying it from country B? I hope they give you the decline reason. I'm very curious myself Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

05-10-2006, 08:34 AM	#18
Chio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ: 39-183769 Posts: 8,002	YARGH! It could be possible that a shared db was used, and all the previous charges you did raised some red flags. __________________ Christopher Walken agrees... my blogs have just the right amount of cowbell.

05-10-2006, 08:37 AM	#19
abadfish Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA Posts: 1,482	I hear this from a lot of people, always fun when they are potential customers.

05-10-2006, 08:42 AM	#20
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05-10-2006, 08:46 AM	#21
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	Shap, there is a very good reason that you were denied, and just by knowing a bit about you, i guessed what the reason was before i even checked/confirmed it __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

05-10-2006, 08:52 AM	#22
natas Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: : unknown Posts: 3,377	come on then corvette, spill the beans

05-10-2006, 09:12 AM	#24
MarkMan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Money Land Posts: 1,370	hmmm and i use more ccbill sponcers then anything else

05-10-2006, 09:16 AM	#25
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I see the denials and CCBILL bounce them to the other billing companies. Chances are if CCBILL turn them down the rest do. Never worry about the ones that slip pass the net. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-10-2006, 09:39 AM	#27
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Btw i knew making this post wasn't the smartest thing to do. There are always reasons for declines and reasons for sales being off. I think one thing that processors (and their employees and reps) completely fail to realize is the thought process of us Paysite Owners and the affiliates that promote them. The majority of us have never worked for a processor and never had the privilege of seeing exactly how a processor works. That being said a lot of what is said is pure speculation. Without any knowledge of how their backend works and without ever hearing anything but everything is ok all we have to go by is our stats and experiences. - When stats drops by 30% in one day for no reason logic tells me something is not right. - When stats drop 30% on the exact same date (not day of the week but actual date of the month) as last month logic tells me something is not right. - When my credit card that works everywhere else is declined that tells me something is not right. - When other reputable webmasters complain about unexplainable drops in sales that gets me wondering. - When other reputable webmasters report their credit card was denied that gets me wondering. Starting this thread wasn't the smartest thing. However ccbill has to know people are talking and questioning wtf is going on. Last month I got more emails from fellow ccbill paysite owners asking if my sales were down than ever before. I love ccbill. I like their risk averse style. It makes me feel comfortable about their future and the future of my money with them. With our $$$ on the line it sometiems is very frustrating and tough to stay quiet. Especially when you have a mouth like mine. Last edited by Shap; 05-10-2006 at 09:42 AM..

05-10-2006, 09:44 AM	#30
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	All processors seem to use different blocked lists. I can't even join my own sites at Wildcash.com via Paycom (blocked Australia) but we cascade to CCbill and CCbill allow Australian credit cards and we can signup no worries. __________________ Try the New XMovies.com and make more $$$ with your Traffic

05-10-2006, 09:47 AM	#31
3xTom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,610	Shap also my card was declined by ccbill 3 times in the past 2 weeks on my own sites really odd if you ask me... but happily i have another processor to flip to when this happens and it seems its been happening ALOT with ccbill lately

05-10-2006, 10:00 AM	#38
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Shap i do give you balls for making post like this.. Hopefully you achieve something out of it other then stress.. If you notice a proccessor tightening up the scrub flip over to another. thats the only thing you can really do. Some tighten up more in the beginning of the month and others at the end of the month

05-10-2006, 10:03 AM	#39
Evil Chris OG Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3rd from the Sun Posts: 13,235	Shap, they have pictures of you at most borders. So it's no surprise to me that CCBill has a picture of you too. __________________ It PAYZE to post on GFY chris at payze.com \| Skype chriswrp

05-10-2006, 10:05 AM	#41
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	This thread isn't fun

05-10-2006, 10:19 AM	#43
3xTom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,610	well seems whatever the problem was is ok now Thanks corvett for looking into this for me

05-10-2006, 11:31 AM	#44
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	different cc address than the location?

05-10-2006, 11:57 AM	#45
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	For some reason I've always had problems ordering via ccbill as well. Like Webmaster Access badge registration is through ccbill and both times I registered, I timed out (didn't get denied, but timed out each time). Its an odd problem but I hope I'm the only one experiencing it. WG __________________ I play with Google.

05-10-2006, 12:07 PM	#46
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	So whats this "Goof", or "Explaination"? A little insider secret when the scrub is up and down during the month? So far thats my best guess. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-10-2006, 01:08 PM	#50
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Have you looked into your own merchant account? Not like you need certain features to bleed the surfers to death