I just want the 50th position here. :)

Heh, I get going on the gun topics, cant stand these pacifist tree hugging pissflaps who think if some guy pulls a knife on ya and demands your wallet, you should give it to them and then thank them for mugging you... fuck that shit.

Man reading this topic with so many different points of view is just amazing. I am just shaking my head at so many of the responses to why it is appropriate or non appropriate to pull a weapon in "self defense".

I can't honestly ever remember one of my friends ever having a situation where one of them has had a gun pulled on them or has even seen a gun in public (other than in an officer's holster).

I also wonder what you guys that have had gun incidents have done to warrant these attacks by other people. I am not pointing fingers here guys but common if someone is blocking in your car and waiving bats at you they can't be doing this out of pure spontanaety. You must have done something to prevoke this? I am not calling you out and asking you to tell us all about your dirty laundry but you are the ones who posted this info in the 1st place.

You guys that have pulled guns talk about it so seriously and then you brag and joke about the size of these monster weapons? You talk about how you would never want to shoot someone but yet you brag about the size of the caliber of the weapon and how big of a hole you can put in someone with it. It is really quite crazy!

Anyways I think we all need to understand is that even though we are neighbours (Canada and US) our cultures and beliefs are still very different. I have been raised in a society where guns are not available and certainly not the norm. As where an US guy has been brought up seeing weapons all his/her life and is quite used to carrying/using weapons.

Very interesting topic this one.

DH

You have valid points and good questions here. Personally, I am not about to mention the specifics of my situations but let me just say that I was not picking fights with people at random. You have been around here long enough to have read a few similar threads that I have participated in and anybody who has read them all should be able to piece it all together.

Peace

Guns are everywhere in the US, it all boils down to population, you pack alot of people into small area's you get crime, you have crime, then u have people who want to defend themselves, thats where guns come in. Canada doesnt have these problems, hell, the entire country is smaller then NYC and LA combined. And the inner city problems migrate all over the fucking place, I live 2 hours from NYC and theres gangs out of NYC up here in mass. Add the gangs out of Boston/Hartford and Local gang's, theres not too many places you really want to be.

But I'd rather carry a pistol around and never use it, then need a gun and not have one.

Well said. And with that I am outta here. I have to be at the airport in 4 hours and I have not even started to pack.

I don't think the high crime rates in the US have much to do with having a big population. Because if that were true, then people in Japan would be getting shot all the time, but they aren't, and Japan has over 125 Million people squashed into a really small country.

The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people.

Japan had a rate of .05 per 100,000.

http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html

I dont think so!

The CDC would not speculate why the death rates varied, but other researchers said easy access to guns and society's acceptance of violence are part of the problem in the United States.

"If you have a country saturated with guns -- available to people when they are intoxicated, angry or depressed -- it's not unusual guns will be used more often,'' said Rebecca Peters, a Johns Hopkins University fellow specializing in gun violence.


That makes sense to me.

In my case, I was driving down the road with my dog in the passenger seat. We were on the way out to the lake. There were 2 guys in a car that were driving WAY too fast. It was a 45 MPH zone and they were doing at least 60. I watched them almost rear end a car behind me. We unfortunately ended up at a stop light next to each other and they tried to get me to race (I had a Z-28 at the time). Not wanting to risk a ticket, I simply shook my head and rolled up the window. They took that to mean I was being a prick and deserved an ass kicking. They motioned for me to roll down my window and when I did, the passenger asked me "what's your problem, faggot". My only reply was "fuck you" and I rolled my window back up. They moved on ahead of me. I figured that was the end of it. No big deal. It's a college town. Some of those 19 year old kids act like that.

I made a right into a gas station for my daily Dr. Pepper fix and to grab the dog and I some beef jerky to split. When I pulled in, I sat in the car for about a minute getting my money straightened out. I have a nasty habit of wadding it up in my pocket. Anyway, the assholes pulled in the drive just as I was getting out and stopped their car directly behind mine. There was no exchange of words except for one of them saying "we got you bitch". I saw a bat and a tire iron and got my gun out of the center console. I stepped out, and ordered them to drop their toys and lie down. They said they just wanted to talk. Once the police got there, the guys were arrested for DUI, terroristic threats and disorderly conduct. One of the guys had been arrested for battery on a law enforcement officer in the past. I am convinced having a gun saved my life or at least kept my head in a nice, regular shape.

I did not provoke the incident in any way.

nobody ever fucks with me

i run with scissors and can poke out your eye with even the dullest stick

and i didn't even mention how fast i can have an army of rabid gophers by my side with a mere wave of the hand

Means nothing, I believe you get your hand hacked off for shoplifting in japan. you probably get hung if you even have a jpg of a gun.

Plus the US has one of those nasty constitution thingamafuckers, the same one that protects the rights of people in here to sell porn on the net. The second they rewrite it, they'll go after the 1st ammendmend next, that what u want?

When the cops stop carry guns, ill stop carrying guns.

Dude, Japan is a civilized country, its not Pakistan!

i only pack when going to a nightclubs....

and always in the car wherever i go.....

yar this is a bit ridiculous.. japan is an incredibly civilised society.. very safe..

"relatively few young criminals in Japan are detained, and they are usually kept not in prisons but in Juvenile Training Schools. I was taken to see the oldest of them, the Tama Juvenile Training School at Hachioji in the suburbs of Tokyo.

Lawyer Kenji Ikegami says punishment can be necessary

There are 200 boys here, who live highly regimented lives, with a busy schedule of classes, exercise, assemblies and group discussions.

Vocational training is also strong, with classes in metalwork, computer skills, construction techniques and - bizarrely - handling of dangerous substances. I was impressed to hear that the training is evidently effective, as 40% of the boys find jobs before they leave. "

just don't fuck with the yakuza :)

Any gun is an inanimate object. The thing that makes it a deadly weapon is the training, maturity, and sanity of the person holding it.

I learned long ago not to get involved in this type of discussion... most of it has been quite interesting though. For some reason I keep thinking of a video clip I saw at www.heavy.com in the 'this is america' section about a blind man with a gun collection...

<A HREF="http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=heavy/heavy/wmdemand/jimmyshow/hi/show_1/part1.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx">hopefully this is a link to the video</A>

cheers

Bad example. The page you refer to has NOTHING to do with purchasing.

:thumbsup

Hmmm, let me clear something for you.....the friend Shan was referring to IS a U.S. citizen and further more she is not making that shit up. Perhaps if you turned a TV on once and while watched a bit of news you would see that they sell shit like that at gun shows ALL the time, where do you think half of these gun wielding punks get their guns from.

Perhaps if you weren't so cocky you would not have to defend yourselves! And you people know who you are.....

Or perhaps if you didn't have such small dicks you wouldn't have to over-compensate with a gun! LOL

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy going to the US and sure you have the right to bare arms but come on.....

Cher~:BangBang: :ak47: :ak47:

Let me start off by saying good fucking morning! I just woke up <yawn>

Ok, gun jargon I know nothing of, sub machine gun or machine gun WHATever. Thanks for jumping on me for that smarty pants Gemini! And yes thank you AronM, I never said my friend was not a US citizen, he lives in Las Vegas. He bought it at the gun show last weekened, the machine gun or sub machine gun and he couldn't believe how easy it was for him to buy it. It is used, I'm unsure if that makes a difference, oh and to top it all off, it has a bayonet on the end of it! NICE! LOL

Evil1, how can a someone selling a gun, tell the difference between a good guy and a bad guy? Bad guys only buy their guns illegally? Wow, that's fucking blind faith isn't it!
And OMG like i would bullshit about this, good gawd! LOL I have better things to do then talk shit on a board, LMFAO
And last time I checked, smokes were just under $5 CAD, which is like $3 USD a far cry from $10. And no one speaks french here in Toronto, and WTF will a can of oven cleaner do?! LOL B and E's from crack heads?! What the hell have you been watching! LMFAO

Oh and i never said bend over and take it, I question WTF you are doing to be in a position to NEED to defend yourself all the time. Sure defend yourself, and thank you for welcoming me to reality! See Alyssa Milano yet tough guy?

And i am so NOT a tree hugging pacifist! Of all the things I've been called that is a FIRST!


:BangBang: :BangBang: :BangBang:

what

All over.
I blame TV and videogames.

Aarons pic scared me :(

and you yankies wonder why it's more likly that you'll be shot than die from pretty much anything else...........................


personally I can see a reason for hunting rifles and shotguns. They are LARGE, clumsy and require some skill to use. Skill requires you to think a bit, and if you're thinking then maybe you won't kill someone without a second thought. They also have a legitimate sporting purpose.
The constitution of the USA allowed people the right to bear arms to be able to resist foreign powers from controlling you. It was not a right given to protect yourself - it was there for political self determination. Rifles and shotguns more than fullfil this purpose.

Handguns on the other hand, belong ONLY in the hands of the police. There is NO legitimate reason for ANY private citizen to own a handgun. NONE - ZERO - ZILCH.

Even medical doctors are calling handguns a helath risk. People who own handguns are 4X as likly to commit suicide and 2X as likey to commit murder (not self defense, and that's LEGAL gun owners)
(re: 60 mins - last show)

Fuck you for making me agree with you for once in your stupid fuckin life.

You guys are morons, If you guys wanna play bad cop, good cop, cowboys and indians, or whatever, go to a fuckin 3rd world country.

And to think, there's probably a million other tards like you guys out there, with guns, and who brag about when and where they pulled it out, what kinda gun they have, etc. etc.

NOONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT YOU PULLING OUT YOUR GUNS AND SHOOTING PEOPLE.

Fuckin dipshits.

you only hate me cause I'm beautiful.

LOL, and next time I need a physical, ill goto a mechanic.

what are you, a fucking idiot?

Medical doctors are the ones who the gunshot victoms goto to after you pull the trigger. They have an idea of when something is casuing a health concern cause they find they are partching up and/or sending to the morgue FAR too many people due to handgun 'incidents'

this is prime example of a TYPICAL handgun loving DUMBASS.

Apparently so, why not go after a larger heath risk then, cars, ban the motherfuckers, they send more people to the hospital then any other thing on the planet

AND, who the fuck do you and your doctor to think you are to decide for people what the fuck they can and cant own?

So you only bring your gun when you go drinking, and are around a couple hundred drunk people...


What a great idea!


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You honestly think because we can't carry guns we don't have the right to deffend ourselves? Let me ask you this: How many people in your country die each day because of guns?

I think it's sad that people die each day for no reason other than an arguement. :(

Dig more into the death per capita on ANY nation... Don't concentrate on only guns, there are close relationships to how many people are murdered by ANY means nation by nation. Just pointiing out death by gunfire is ludicrous.

Personally... is a bullet maybe just an little bit easier to deal with then someone clubbing you to death, poisoning, run over by a car, stabbing repeatedly, etc?

If someone wants to do you harm there is ALWAYS a means for them to do it. And if they are serious, lack of a gun won't stop them.

Amazing what you can learn in a college Geographical Finanace class. :Graucho

There ARE some people that shouldn't have guns true. But until they learn to figure out whom should NOT possess them, it seems some folks want the rest of the population to do without.

Handguns? My hubby hunts with them and never comes home empty. Actually prefers them as a rifle makes it too easy.

Shann... the old man also said your friend bought a SEMI auto version of a weapon that people identify as a sub or full machine gun.

Even at gun shows you HAVE to possess a VALID 3rd class Federal Firearms License to make such a legal purchase. *I* never used to know the difference in them before until I hooked up with this old man.

If someone was actually selling full autos without the proper papers, then anyone buying such a gun is in a world of hurt when they try and fire it ANYwhere. Just possession of a full auto vrings serious Federal as well as State level felony charges.

AR15 - semi automatic version of the M16, which is FULL auto. There are lots more of that sort of thing out there but I'm not that familiar with all of them.

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i only pack when going to a nightclubs....

and always in the car wherever i go.....
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OK, my question IS, WHAT kind of night clubs are you hanging out at and where the fuck do you drive to that you need to pack a gun?! Please share that with us, I'm sure i'm not the only one who wants to AVOID where ever that is! :thefinger

Yeah, seriously...lol :thumbsup

You are so fucking full of shit that I can smell it here in San Diego. You say we're clueless about Canada, you just proved you don't know fuck about the States.

Please, don't come back.

The ideal situation would be if nobody but the police had guns (as it is mostly the case in Europe). This in mind, the situation in the US is majorly fucked, exactly because everybody has (a) gun(S) and some people a lot of them.

Nobody in their right mind here will tell me they prefer to be in a society where every fucker out there can buy a gun to a society where only the cops have them.

Unfortunately the situation in the States won't change, so I can't judge the people who actually need to carry a gun because of the inherent danger associated with their business (like mobsters for example :winkwink: ) For all others like me, I just prefer to keep out of situations where even a remote possibility of something ivolving guns is present. Again, unfortunately, in the US even this is no guarantee of one's safety, since some fucker can shoot you on the street for the 20 in your wallet.

Again, the gun situation in the US is majorly fucked, and that situation and culture is not going to change, which is pretty bad.

So: :drinkup

Cheers,
The Machine

OOPs my bad, ID was shown yes, so i apologize for that. Gee Sly_RJ thanks for the love! LMAO :thefinger

Sure looks like it. We NEED cars, we really don't need handguns.

Oh my God, you're SOO right. We should all have the right to own antherax, flamethrowers, nukes, biological weapons, devises that allow you to break and enter into homes easily, narcotics, boobytraps, explosives, man eating exotic pets without being caged or on a leash, and numberous other things that are just sooo way cool and HUGLY dangerous to society.

What a dumbass I was for thinking otherwise.

it's easy to change the situation in under two years. Make owning a handgun or being caught with one in your house a life imprisonment term and make knowing about someone who owns a handgun a 5 year jail term if they don't turn them in immediatly. 99.9 percent of all handguns will be gone in 2 years.

Oh, your from Canada, it's all becoming clear now. BTW, the human race survived with just horses and feet, so dont feed me that shit.

I know it's easy to change it if the political will was there, the problem is it isn't - I mean come on, we all know who's in the White house ...

Oh move to fucking China, you would LOVE it.:thefinger

Dude, what the fuck? Have you turned a TV on at all? Do you ever read the papers or watch the news? You ARE clueless about Canada! They do stories all the time about gun shows and how easy it is to get guns! All those kids shooting up schools, nutbar postal workers, psycho employees, gangs, car jackings fuck the list can go on and on!

Just because you don't know shit about your own country doesn't mean the rest of us are clueless!!

Cher~
Hugs n' Kisses

like I said you're an Idiot, I'm canadian and it's almost impossible to get a handgun here.

its killing me to bite my tongue on this thread attacking canadians, but since sleazy is an honarary american4Life.... i will refrain =)))

SD4L

oh, i can say that i got 2 of the montreal expos last night in the bullpen, to simultaneously say something about fucking my mother after i heckled them...... LLoyd was one of them, the other short dumpy guy i dunno..... lloyd had a mullet, so he may have actually been a real canadian, the others were american traitors...... it was fun... big E ensure that Lloyd knew he was too old to pitch MLB.... etc... hahaha

Sweeeeeeeped 'em!