Yeah, I must be stupid.
Missing Varejao is FAR more important than missing Studemire... you know, the system and the likes...
As for the enforcer thing. Yeah, he averages a double double, blocks shots, rebound. He has been doing that his whole career. But bro, to think that Marion can defend Shaq, the Wallaces, Z, or Duncan.... well, do you really believe that??
That Phoenix can win with Marion & Boris Diaw as their bigs figting every night against biggest and strongest players is just a testament of how great that team, players & coaches, are.
They brought Kurt Thomas to do so, to try to defend the premium bigs, to set screens and picks and to let Marion & Studemire operate freely. They don't call Kurt Thomas "Crazy Eyes" for nothing, you know?
But don't worry, I'll keep diging the hole... ;)

Quicksand do you agree that if you take LeBron away from Cleveland and Nash from Phoenix this year, that Phoenix is a better team?

That's a good question for Demon too? Interested in both your answers :pimp

Quicksand you're arguing with moronic fanboys that have no basis for their arguments. And Banner, I'm so glad Pippen's word is canon all of a sudden.. Oh wait.. IF Lebron ever gets on MJ's level let me know, until then continue verbally fellating him.

I'm not saying your stupid and Im not saying Varejao is more important. I'm not comparing them. All I'm saying is Hughes is important to the Cavs just like Kurt Thomas is important to the Suns. Again, this is not a individual comparison. Its just showing Player A is important to Team A just like Player B is important to Team B.

Also Marion is a forward not center and still leads his team in those catagories. His job is not to defend Duncan and the like. But he will shut down any player he is lined up with and still block shots of the centers playing.

That's an interesting question, really.
Now, we should decide what players we include in both rosters. Did we count all the players, including Amare or just the ones that really have played all year?
I would let you decide that. Tell me the players in each roster and I will give you my answer.

Age wise, he's way beyond where Jordan was at his age...do you seriously think that's going to change as LeBron gets older?

This next season coming LeBron is finally going to be the age Jordan was when he entered the NBA.

And if you don't think it means a lot for that to come from Pippen there's something wrong. One of the 50 best players, teammate/friend of Jordan's etc.

Still shooting your mouth off, but not saying anything.

The question is, who's a better team right now, the cavs or the Amare-less Suns.. That's a no brainer even now.

NO MAN...Like I said this year. Everything the same as it was, Hughes out, Amare out. Just no LeBron/no Nash.

Oh really? Beyond Jordan? Oh you forgot to mention Jordan had to go to college, and that in his day and age you can't just jump into the NBA. And I find it humorous that you're trying to quantify Lebron's abilities and potential. Until you back up your nonsense, you can keep on with your fanboy arguments..

are you paying attention to anything that's being said? I think you're arguing with yourself now.

Then we're agreeing on all of this :)
Yeah, Hughes is a pretty important player for the Cavs and Ferry did a great job getting Flip Murray at the deadline to fill in Hughes' shoes.
And you're right. Marion is a forward so is Diaw. Hence the importance of Kurt Thomas, their only true big man. This suns team plus Kurt Thomas & Studemire is a totally different team, much more powerful and dangerous.
And that's all I'm saying, they loose a lot of power but they're still winning! Hats of to them!

As for the Cavs. I have nothing bad to say about them or Lebron (well, besides that flagrant traveling in game 3 :P). In fact, I like the Cavs since the Lenny Wilkens-Mark Price-Ron Harper era. They are a nice team, they have a lot of good weapons and a bright future. They will make noise in the following years, that's for sure!

Answer my question BAnnerless, or are you going to continue to look like an illogical Lebron fanboy?

In his day he could have gone to the NBA at 18...but Jordan wasn't ready for the NBA.

How about this one...it wasn't until Jordan was 26 that he put up an all round season as good as what LeBron did this year.

oh yeah...and LeBron's 21

They said the same thing about chicago...chicago SUCKED

You and I are on the same page now :) I grew up in Cleveland. Man, I loved those days at Richfield watching Hot Rob Williams, Dougerty, Price, Kerr and the rest. Shit, if it wasn't for MJ alwasy beating us in the playoffs we might have gone farther.

Who do you like tonight?
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/606652-suns-vs-lakers-pick-game-7-a.html

There has never been a player to come in the league as great as James...and to have done what he has at his age. Do you think that's going to change as he gets older?

Every other game he's setting records as the youngest to do this or that.

and when he's compared it's only to the likes of Jordan and Roberston (who I have problems with, since when Oscar played it was a totally different game...no 6'3" can get 10+ rebounds a game in today's game for a season...let a lone avg. a triple double for a season.)

Actually he's never compared to Jordan. As I've stated earlier people figured out that James was the next Magic Johnson, because he was the playmaker first, scorer second.

Again you don't know what you're talking about...when it comes to things he's accomplished he's always compared to Jordan.

Ok, let's see: no Hughes (even if he played a third of the regular season and IS playing now in the playoffs) and no Amare. No Nash and No Lebron:

Cavs
Starters:
Eric Snow
Flip Murray
Donyell Marshall
Drew Gooden
Z Ilgauskas

Subs:
Jones
Newble
Varejao

Starting five is not bad. Ilgauskas is an all star and the other players are not that bad. Bench sucks. I don't think they can reach the playoffs

Suns
Starters:
Leandro Barbosa
Raja Bell
James Jones
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw

Subs:
House
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas

Besides Marion no other player in that team has ever been a starter till this year. They have no height at all, their biggest player beeing 6'7" and their center a small forward.
Their bench is a little better with both Thomases.
Suns have the coaching edge in my opinion.

It's hard to tell what's the better team.
Now, let me ask you a question: wich starters from these suns besides Marion would start for these Cavs?

Wrong again, keep embarassing yourself.

Oh man, that team was great. People seems to forget how good they were. Dougherty was an awesome center, great passer. And Price was unbelievable. He never missed a free throw and was one of the better 3 point shooter I have ever seen. It was a shame that team didn't got farther. They knew how to play the right way.
Yeah, Jordan always had your number. I know how it feels... I'm a Knicks fan! :P

Demon - I respect people opinions but you are not giving yours anymore. You are trying to state facts and you have no stats or numbers to back it up.

Can you answer just one question for me ... why haven't you posted any stats or numbers to back up your statements?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

No I'm right. Any big accomplishment is either only compared to Jordan or a select other few. That's a fact idiot. You can't tell me I'm wrong, the only one making a fool of themselves is you. You don't know what you're talking about...and have yet to back one thing you've said up with any fact.

hey Demon, here are a few stats records of LeBron's that should impress you...but obviously won't because of your ignorance.

- Youngest player in NBA history to be named NBA Rookie of the Year
- Youngest player in NBA history to receive Player of the Week honors
- Youngest player in NBA history to receive Player of the Month honors
- Youngest player in NBA history to win an All-Star Game MVP
- 2-time NBA All-Star
- Led the league in three-point plays with 79 in the 2005-06
- Youngest player in NBA history to record a triple-double in his career (also the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th)
- Youngest player in NBA history to score 50 points in one game
- Youngest player in NBA history to score 2000 points in a season
- Youngest player in NBA history to avg. 30+ points in a season
- Youngest player in NBA history to reach:
1,000 points
2,000 points
3,000 points
4,000 points
5,000 points
6,000 points
- One of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season (and was the youngest to do it) 2003-04
- One of only five players in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (and was the youngest to do it) 2004-05
- One of only five players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a season (and was the youngest to do it) 2005-06
- One of only three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in his playoff debut
- The first player to score more than 40 points in his first playoff road game

and for some reason you don't think he's going to keep doing that...again shows how much (or should I say...how little) you know about the league and the type of player he is.

Banner ... that should just about finally shut him up. I'd love to see him post just one stat. He hasn't proven anything but that he needs attention.

I'm out .. gotta get to the bar for the game.

Oh yeah Demon .... look at the poll. Seems that most people think Lebron is the man

I'm out too...GAME TIME! Have a good one :pimp

Cleveland fans are hilarious. Yet you still fail to see that Lebron stopped being compared to MJ this year, and started being compared to Magic Johnson. This is reality, not reality according to Lebron James fans.

And King Adam, I know this is going too far because I believe you lack any knowledge outside of the adult world, but appeal to the majority is a logical fallacy.

You are just real dumb .. thats all that can be said

150..,....... :arcadefre

STFU...you don't have a clue buddy.

The only time they ever compare him to Magic is when it's something to do with his passing ability. You ever watch a fuckin' game on TV? There are few games on TV that before the game/during the game they're not talking about LeBron and the comparison to Jordan. Last night they talked about it for several minutes before the game. That's when Pippen said what he said.

All you do again, is blab, blab, blab...yet don't back anything up with facts...and for the record I'm not a Cleveland fan, I'm a LeBron James fan.

It's kinda fucked that you can't take something from what Pippen said last night...you brush it off like Pippen's clueless. The only one that's clueless is you.

LOL.. Stupid GFYers.. No common sense nor concept of reality.. No wonder you're in the adult industry.

I'm the only one of the two of us that has based anything I said on fact.

So tell me how I have no common sense? or concept of reality?

Well with your logic of appeal to the majority, Kobe Bryant is more of an MVP than Lebron according to NBA.com.. Way to go tiger... Who's more clutch? Kobe. Who you'd want to take your last shot? Kobe. Fanboyism doesn't play into logic. ANd if you want to list Lebron's feats as the "Youngest player", you should be comparing them to MJ's first 3 full years in the NBA, where he was unstoppable. And no, back then you couldn't jump from HS straight into the NBA, so your point is moot. Try again.

Show me where on NBA.com they say Kobe is more of an MVP than LeBron. Stop making shit up man. Is that why LeBron was ahead of Kobe in MVP voting this year?

LeBron's just as clutch as Kobe...did you miss the two game winners he had in the playoffs? and the two game winners and couple game winning assists he had in the final month of the season.

and yes you could jump from high school to the NBA.

Also, LeBron as I said already...at 21 this season had an all round season that Jordan couldn't compare to until he was 26. Keep shooting off about things you don't know about...you're just making yourself look stupider.

Jordan at 22....... 28.2 points a game, 6.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists

James at 21........ 31.4 points a game, 7.0 rebounds, 6.6 assists

next season James will become the first player to ever score 35 points a game, have 7 assists and 7 rebounds a game for the season.

I'd also bet that within the next 5 years we'll see him score 40 PPG for a season, while still being a team player.

Wow, you certainly have an imagination don't you?

Oh here you go..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11866749/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11866251/

By your logic of the majority, Kobe is the better player.. Congratulations.