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Old 05-05-2006, 08:40 PM   #1
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:stop Bush says WWIII has begun

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Bush says fight against terror is 'World War III'
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US President George W. Bush said the September 11 revolt of passengers against their hijackers on board Flight 93 had struck the first blow of "World War III."

In an interview with the financial news network CNBC, Bush said he had yet to see the recently released film of the uprising, a dramatic portrayal of events on the United Airlines plane before it crashed in a Pennsylvania field.

But he said he agreed with the description of David Beamer, whose son Todd died in the crash, who in a Wall Street Journal commentary last month called it "our first successful counter-attack in our homeland in this new global war -- World War III".

Bush said: "I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III.

"It was, it was unbelievably heroic of those folks on the airplane to recognize the danger and save lives," he said.

Flight 93 crashed on the morning of September 11, 2001, killing the 33 passengers, seven crew members and four hijackers, after passengers stormed the cockpit and battled the hijackers for control of the aircraft.

The president has repeatedly praised the heroism of the passengers in fighting back and so launching the first blow of what he usually calls the "war on terror".

In 2002, then-White House spokesman Ari Fleischer explicitly declined to call the hunt for Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda group and its followers "World War III."



To make matters worse Cheney went and pissed off the Russians who have now declared a the start of a new cold war. Holy fucking shit

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By Oliver Bullough

MOSCOW (Reuters) - A speech by Vice President Dick Cheney strongly critical of the Kremlin marks the start of a new Cold War that could drive Moscow away from its new-found Western allies, the Russian press said on Friday.

In shocked reaction to the harshest U.S. criticism of Moscow for years, commentators said Washington had created an anti-Russian cordon of Western-aligned states stretching from the Baltic almost to the Caspian Sea.

The Kremlin, in a reaction within hours of Cheney's delivery in Vilnius, said the speech, which was full of accusations that Moscow was limiting human rights and using its energy riches to blackmail the world, was "completely incomprehensible."

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov declined to comment directly on Friday when asked about Cheney, but said the meeting of former communist satellites that the vice president had addressed appeared to be "united against someone."

The Russian press agreed, comparing Cheney's words to a 1946 speech by British statesman Winston Churchill in Fulton, Missouri, when he said Europe was divided by an "Iron Curtain."

"Enemy at the Gates. Dick Cheney made a Fulton speech in Vilnius," said business daily Kommersant's front page headline.

"Vice President Dick Cheney made a keynote speech on relations between the West and Russia in which he practically established the start of the second Cold War ... The Cold War has restarted, only now the front lines have shifted," it said.

Washington and Moscow have largely ignored differences since the hijacked airliner attacks on U.S. buildings in September 11, 2001 and concentrated on joint interests in the fight against international militant groups.

But ties between the former rivals have cooled recently.

Cheney's harsh criticism injected fresh tension that is likely to be still felt when Russian President Vladimir Putin hosts President Bush and other world leaders at a summit of the G8 club of rich nations in St Petersburg in July.

RUSSIAN SELF-CONFIDENCE

Commentators said the speech was an answer to Russia's new self-confidence, which has stemmed from high oil prices and a shortage of energy supplies giving it new influence.

Cheney was addressing a group of former communist and ex-Soviet states including Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova which have infuriated their former master by turning toward the West.

Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP), Russia's top-selling daily, showed what the meeting meant to Moscow by coloring in the states that met in Vilnius to show a purple cordon separating Russia from the rest of Europe.

Reaching for another historical analogy, it compared the meeting to that between the anti-Nazi allies Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Josef Stalin in the Soviet town of Yalta in 1945, at which they divided up the map of Europe.

"Yesterday in the Lithuanian capital of Vilnius, like in Yalta in 1945, the map of Europe was redrawn," KP said, raising the specter of Russia being isolated from the mainstream.

"What can Russia do? It would appear it will have to strengthen ties with Belarus and Central Asia. And get close to China, to balance this Western might."

Commentators said Russia was being expected to knuckle under and follow the U.S. lead.

"At the same time, Moscow's partners are not prepared to sacrifice anything, keeping their "correct" patriotism and their own policies," said official daily Rossiiskaya Gazeta in a lengthy commentary.

(Additional reporting by Guy Faulconbridge)
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Old 05-05-2006, 08:42 PM   #2
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If WWIII has truly started, then I would say Iran is the first to go. Their dumbass president likes to threaten Israel, then us.. That stupid arab must be suicidal.
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If WWIII has truly started, then I would say Iran is the first to go. Their dumbass president likes to threaten Israel, then us.. That stupid arab must be suicidal.
Funny how I see it the other way around ...
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It seems that if we don't bust out the Middle East, a terrorist will eventually get a dirty bomb or biological weapon into the US and we're screwed cause of the following gov't crackdown on our civil liberties will take away all our civil rights. Effectively, destroying our American way of life....terrorist win.

The alternative is rationing, draft, and two million US soldiers in the Middle East doing damage to all opposition. Our politicians don't have the backbone to make it happen cause they feel the American citizens don't want to be inconvenienced; and, if they do, we're screwed and our way of life is lost.

So either way, we're screwed.....just waiting and watching.

Maybe, we will get lucky.....I think it is our best chance.

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I thought it begain a few years ago. We are just in the calm before the storm. Why do you think Busk is trying to bring the troops home from this year? Because next year - will be the start of an all-out war.
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Someone cabable of starting WWIII don't need to hijack planes. They have their own
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If WWIII has truly started, then I would say Iran is the first to go. Their dumbass president likes to threaten Israel, then us.. That stupid arab must be suicidal.
Iran is not an Arab country, and the people are not Arabs.

and as another point of fact for you .....

Not all Arabs are bad people .... just like all dumb ass white hillbillys (from Texas, or Alabama, or Mississippi, for example) are not good people


all races have good and bad apples in them, so try to stick to facts and not to stupid sarcastic racist remarks. then maybe your point you are trying to make ( wich has value ) will be understood .

But all of Iran should not suffer for a bad move or idealistcstance from their president... Just as all of the USA ( or the rest of the world for that matter) should not suffer for the bad move(s) or idealsitic stance of it's leader either.

do you really feel just blow the planet up is the answear to solve things?

Just because the current political climate of leaders are at odds ?

or is it beter to change the current climate of leaders peacefully and create a peaceful world of coexsistance?
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America had the chance to vote Bush out.

They chose to vote him back in.

Shit happens...
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When will there be a revolt to toss the boy out of office before he gets everyone killed?
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Funny how I see it the other way around ...

Yea but we live in reality, not reality according to you. If you think Iran would go up against the United States, youre insane.
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America had the chance to vote Bush out.

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240 million adults over 18 eligble to vote. Bush got 60 million votes. 75% of the country did NOT vote for Bush. Simple math
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Bush says fight against terror is 'World War III'

US President George W. Bush said the September 11 revolt of passengers against their hijackers on board Flight 93 had struck the first blow of "World War III.
That is one insanely evil son of a bitch working to justify an agenda.

His time will come.
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240 million adults over 18 eligble to vote. Bush got 60 million votes. 75% of the country did NOT vote for Bush. Simple math
When you throw in voting machines with no paper trail that math gets a bit fuzzier...
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I don't pay attention to the news, as I only listen to NPR on the ride to and from work, so my view of world events is limited.

Anyone who digs that shit want to help me out?

1. How was Israel formed?
2. Why does Iran hate Israel?
3. How does Iran, apparently having a ton of oil, factor in to how we, in the west, should give a shit?
4. What's Cheney doing in Kazakhstan, a region that apparently has vast oil under its soil?
5. What was the real reason for invading Iraq?
6. Why isn't the US more interested in the disruptions of oil flow from Africa?
7. Why do dandelions exist? As I get to pick the fuckers out of my lawn today.

Fuck questions 1-6. Just help me with #7.

Thanks. Buhbye.
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Lol.. Jesus Christ.. A fictional crutch that your brain could use as a defense mechanism to combat the inherent fear of death..
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man, Bush is so uneducated... but funny as hell with his statements
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man, Bush is so uneducated... but funny as hell with his statements
Bush may simply be uneducated, despite his alleged education (how often have you seen that before?), - but he also is well-aware of his actions and along with "Dick", Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rice and Rove, had already planned a "way forward" for the US, long before Bush came into power.

All of these individuals have either slanted, decieved or lied consistantly with the object of harming others, both within and outside the US. Rarely, if ever, was there any agenda which would be to the advantage of the US - or the people who elected them.

In no western country - and questionable over almost any country - is there such a collection of nasty fucks supposedly leading it. The fact that they use fear, lies and propaganda to further their ends is not new - Goebbels did a better job at that, - but it is kinda smartass to cloak it with high moral standards, righteousness and smudge it with religon. These people are no better than the purported "enemy" they claim to have a "war" with - they are all evil and the world would be a much more peaceful and safer place without them. They have no cred and are just a cancer on the landscape anyways.


PS No doubts the US would also benefit greatly by their demise - US domestic issues have remained untouched and on a downwards spiral since they were aledgedly voted into power.
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A "World" war???? Are there any Alliances left? Oh wait, there are only 50 states in the wolrd.. my bad. [/sarcasm]
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That's a great post.

In my own opinion, I don't feel so bad about how governments "debate" / "barter" / "war" with other governments for the "betterment" of what they govern.

I do, still, have issues when people are lumped into the group of their government; people in general, I think, want to be just people and live happily, while governments don't dig that shit.

Governments (like ONE individual) inherently seeks power / subservience / equality over another. So, if you take how some individuals in certain groups cause issues and expand that to governing bodies operating as an individual representing groups among others doing the same... well, you arrive at the current state of world affairs.

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Bush may simply be uneducated, despite his alleged education (how often have you seen that before?), - but he also is well-aware of his actions and along with "Dick", Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rice and Rove, had already planned a "way forward" for the US, long before Bush came into power.

All of these individuals have either slanted, decieved or lied consistantly with the object of harming others, both within and outside the US. Rarely, if ever, was there any agenda which would be to the advantage of the US - or the people who elected them.

In no western country - and questionable over almost any country - is there such a collection of nasty fucks supposedly leading it. The fact that they use fear, lies and propaganda to further their ends is not new - Goebbels did a better job at that, - but it is kinda smartass to cloak it with high moral standards, righteousness and smudge it with religon. These people are no better than the purported "enemy" they claim to have a "war" with - they are all evil and the world would be a much more peaceful and safer place without them. They have no cred and are just a cancer on the landscape anyways.


PS No doubts the US would also benefit greatly by their demise - US domestic issues have remained untouched and on a downwards spiral since they were aledgedly voted into power.
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Seems that the current administration is dead set of haveing a true third world war.
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Seems that the current administration is dead set of haveing a true third world war.
Yep.

Despiration with their crash and burn in the popularity poles.

Bush is a moron and we can understand his idiocy.

Cheney has made this planet a much more dangerous place to live. Russia is selling Iran arms to repel a US assult. Thanks to Cheney, we can be sure Iran will get nukes ASAP.

Bush will go against his generals and order a nuclear strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. The retaliation will be a nuclear attack against Isreal from some desert location.

Then all hell breaks lose.

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What I don't understand is why the government is so removed from its people. With modern technologies you'd think we would be able to bring the control back. If millions of people each week can vote for American Idol, why can't people vote on important decisions? Understandbly there'd be technical issues to be worked out, but nearly every household has a computer now and I'm not ever sure why we would need to elect represented officials. Anyone could submit a proposition and everyone could vote on it.

Maybe I'm living in a dream world, but I really hope something like that eventually takes form. I'm sure if you conducted a census the average person would not decide to piss off Russia for no apparent reason, or declare WWIII because of a few crazy terrorists.
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