Won't happen -- he's got 'em snowed somehow. He snowed Mike the same way, before the acquisition or whatever went on. Even when presented with server logs showing SEQUENTIAL IP'S, 95% non-javascript clients, and a freaking ICQ log of someone ratting him out, the little worm still denied sending fraudulent traffic, then did what any scammer would do -- locked my account and kept some of my money.

*golfclap*

Agreed, but this was pretty blatant. The story I heard was that they couldn't fill my order, and panicked. We'd still be doing business if they had just been A) honest about it, and B) didn't try to be sleazebags in the threads (see the links I posted).

LOL, I was just reading through those threads, and I noticed some stuff rToine had said ... he was calling everyone who got scammed with the fraudulent clicks "complainers," putting them on ignore on ICQ, then said:

Haha ... Joe from JoesTraffic let him have it:

Then, amusingly, the guy who originally told me about the fraud (a guy who works for AskJolene) came into the thread, trying to mediate. Immediately, other peopl who got scammed posted THEIR results:

And then a few GFY threads:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=465353

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=473701

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=477038

Then more people chimed in:

Amusingly, this was for all "new" business -- they couldn't handle it, so (as the source inside the company told me), they just used hitbots and other crap to fabricate the clicks, eating through the budgets like crazy.

Glad to see it isn't happening "now," but shit -- what would stop them? They BANNED the IP's of people who were complaining -- in my case, they KEPT some of my money, too.

It's funny to go back and look at this .. and see how many people didn't do business with them, or stopped doing business with them, because of it.

Pierre -- I'm sure you've gone in there and cleaned shit up! Do you have any feedback on how the riff-raff have been cleaned out of AJ, and you're all on the up-and-up now? ICQ me so we can talk, or post here.

Edgepro,

I understand you have issues with Askjolene for various reasons. I don't agree with you and I don't intend to go into a discussion on this board for the same reason as with Geeezer, it doesn't improve the situation.
Sofar you have told your side of the story quite extensively. It started when Toine made a post at another board (which could be interpreted as not so customer friendly, I admit that, but he already stated before that email was the way to go in case of problems). In this post he stated that he didn't want to give support over a board (which totally makes sense), but preferred to do that over email.
The problem was that our traffic didn't convert for you anymore and you claimed we committed click fraud. As everybody knows, we don't fake clicks, we never did, we never will. We have several tools in place to prevent that, e.g.: we count clicks per unique. So if the same person clicks on a gallery link more then once, we only count 1 click.

Conversions can be different for anybody. Askjolene doesn't work for everybody. No site does. (accept worldsex.com of course, people buy more advertising there!!, but that is a totally different story)
After that you started to be very insulting which is not the way we like to do business. We prefer not to insult people, especially on boards. As the situation didn't improve we decided to cancel your account and refund you the money we owed you.

I understand you're not happy with the current situation. I believe we treated you in all fairness though when we cancelled our cooperation. We have the right to do business with who we want and if somebody starts insulting us we see no need to continue it.
We refunded your money and gave you extra traffic to compensate any other losses.
You initially bought $70 worth of clicks, was happy with the results.
Bought $300 worth of clicks, became unhappy with the results.
We refunded you $300,
We gave you 238.000 clicks for free, which was worth about $165

So in the end it didn't cost you anything, but we gave you $90 worth of free traffic. You claimed in the thread you made over $130 with our traffic at one point. So in the end you made a decent profit I gather.
But because you are unhappy with our support and our product (in may 2005) you keep on accusing us of things we don't do and keep making claims about our traffic by giving quotes (often from people who are still customers) which don't say anything and list urls to threads which don't say anything. As you can understand I am not a happy camper about this.
Infact, I believe Askjolene traffic is way better then most traffic out there. We use over 200 different affiliate programs and we convert overall 1:350, which is better then most other sites, including my own.

In order to resolve this situation I would like to propose the following;

A)
We give you $100 of free traffic on Askjolene which gives you the opportunity to test our traffic,

B)
Toine will help you by setting up your account and give you support to help you to convert.

C)
If you cant prove the clickfraud during this setup, you have to apologize to Toine and me.

best regards
Pierre

Never found it out...

geeezer has gone

To worldsex,

why would you through such length to please the guy. You already gave him free traffic, he made a profit. Move on and f**k the cry baby.


BTW Great traffic and no complaints, only one remark. I liked the old layout of Askjolene better.


:thumbsup

Well much of what needs to be said has already.

Let me add my rant anyway.

Looks like a gallery, albeit an ugly one. All pics lead to toplist sites with exits out the ass. Now everyone knows it is risky to link to anything with a toplist or sexsearch (exceptions of course) links. If not day one, at some point they are liable to pickup some malware. So it is risky business to link to anyone with them. Again there are some rare excptions.

I think surfer accepts redirects on clicks to a gallery from a TGP, but not from a thumb in a gallery or a place like AskJolene. So most of us would just ban ya for that submisssion. I guess that includes AskJolene.

Yes, Baddog is an exception, I link to him.

I'm not accusing AJ of anything untoward but this is surely not going to prove anything. A lot could have changed since a year ago.

Baddog,
it was a pleasure meeting you as well!

Grumpy,
because we do anything for a happy face ;-)
and we forgot to do our yearly donation for the red cross, so we have some budget left for other maketheworldabetterplace projects...

Pierre,

You're a totally stand-up guy, from this post. You have given me a new outlook on AskJolene, and it looks like you are serious about making up for some of the problems people have had in the past. I'll mention, for clarity, that: #1, everything converted great before the fraud, and #2, a bunch of Moderators on Xbiz were given free campaigns to test productivity, and everyone convert ... for the first day. Then, two of us got ICQ's saying that AJ couldn't deliver the bigger campaigns some of us bought, and that fraud was about to happen. From there, the click-throughs (almost 20% in the beginning) went to 2%, and 1% in some cases. It's a pretty clear-cut thing, but I understand if Toine is going to spin it for you, since you weren't there at the time.

I am sorry you have been fed some of this from Toine, as some of the facts are crooked. When my PC gets back from Falcon next week, I will send you privately the emails and (if I still have them) the ICQ logs of not only Toine refusing support, but also of the person (who I hope you will not repremand, he was just being a good person) who discovered and reported the click-fraud.

What we got was sequential clicks, one IP after the other, almost as if from a "list." These clients didn't support JavaScript (as a normal surfer would), and never clicked second pages. We wouldn't have even THOUGHT to look, without being tipped off by an employee on AskJolene's side -- would have just thought it non-productive traffic, and moved on. I'll contact our old ISP and see if they can deliver an IP-based log for us to privately look at.

To further clarify, this wasn't on the $70 campaign, and wasn't on the $300 campaign -- it was on the $4,700 campaign right after. I got refunded for a campaign, but certainly not for the "right" campaign. I'll be contacting you privately with the details as soon as I get my PC back, just so that you can have the "full" story -- because you were such a stand-up guy here, and admitted some of what went on (you weren't there, so I realize you can't know), it ends here. I consider it "resolved."

I will honor my original commitment with Mike of $10,000 per month with you guys. It's unfortunate he isn't there anymore, and I can forward you some other inside information as to why that is. I would appreciate if Toine wasn't given access to any part of the account, and if you have another rep, I'd like to work with them directly.

Thanks again. Looking forward to seeing you at a show in the near future.

Hmm... Who started what again?

I see you having a very negative tone right off the bat...

Ohh, and Auto Blogger Pro officially "RocKs"...

Yeah, when he and I talked on ICQ and in email, then he tried to deny it on the boards? That cracked me up, too. I was tempted to post the logs, but I always feel that ICQ logs are private unless otherwise agreed by both parties.

It's buried, as far as I am concerned -- Pierre is burying the hatchet, he wasn't there when it happened, so it's at fault, and he's being a stand-up guy.

I'm putting it to bed. No need to keep bumping. Pierre will ICQ me when he's ready.

Yeah, what he said!!!

Anyone have Pierre's ICQ? I don't.

No one has his ICQ? I have no way of contacting him without it.

Bump for Pierre's ICQ number (or he can ICQ me directly)