U.S. Used Chemical Weapons In Iraq

[The Duck]

White phosphorous used on the civilian populace: This is how the US "took" Fallujah. New napalm formula also used.

11/07/05 "La Repubblica" -- -- ROME. In soldier slang they call it Whiskey Pete. The technical name is white phosphorus. In theory its purpose is to illumine enemy positions in the dark. In practice, it was used as a chemical weapon in the rebel stronghold of Fallujah. And it was used not only against enemy combatants and guerrillas, but again innocent civilians. The Americans are responsible for a massacre using unconventional weapons, the identical charge for which Saddam Hussein stands accused. An investigation by RAI News 24, the all-news Italian satellite television channel, has pulled the veil from one of the most carefully concealed mysteries from the front in the entire US military campaign in Iraq.

A US veteran of the Iraq war told RAI New correspondent Sigfrido Ranucci this: I received the order use caution because we had used white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military slag it is called 'Willy Pete'. Phosphorus burns the human body on contact--it even melts it right down to the bone.

RAI News 24's investigative story, Fallujah, The Concealed Massacre, will be broadcast tomorrow on RAI-3 and will contain not only eye-witness accounts by US military personnel but those from Fallujah residents. A rain of fire descended on the city. People who were exposed to those multicolored substance began to burn. We found people with bizarre wounds-their bodies burned but their clothes intact, relates Mohamad Tareq al-Deraji, a biologist and Fallujah resident.

I gathered accounts of the use of phosphorus and napalm from a few Fallujah refugees whom I met before being kidnapped, says Manifesto reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who was kidnapped in Fallujah last February, in a recorded interview. I wanted to get the story out, but my kidnappers would not permit it.

RAI News 24 will broadcast video and photographs taken in the Iraqi city during and after the November 2004 bombardment which prove that the US military, contrary to statements in a December 9 communiqué from the US Department of State, did not use phosphorus to illuminate enemy positions (which would have been legitimate) but instend dropped white phosphorus indiscriminately and in massive quantities on the city's neighborhoods.

In the investigative story, produced by Maurizio Torrealta, dramatic footage is shown revealing the effects of the bombardment on civilians, women and children, some of whom were surprised in their sleep.

The investigation will also broadcast documentary proof of the use in Iraq of a new napalm formula called MK77. The use of the incendiary substance on civilians is forbidden by a 1980 UN treaty. The use of chemical weapons is forbidden by a treaty which the US signed in 1997.

You want proof?

Go to http://www.fuckbush.eu and view the video Hidden massacre in Fallujah.

[aico]

Not that I care cuz I hate Bush with a fucking passion, but you really want us to get our proof from a website called Fuck Bush? LOL, seems a little biased. Give me a CNN link and then I'll believe it more.

Ignoring treaties is what makes this country so great, just ask the indians.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by aico

Not that I care cuz I hate Bush with a fucking passion, but you really want us to get our proof from a website called Fuck Bush? LOL, seems a little biased. Give me a CNN link and then I'll believe it more.

Ignoring treaties is what makes this country so great, just ask the indians.

This was debated in 2005... Plenty of sites plus a film ... Search... I maybe even did start that thread... donèt remember ...

No interest to post shitty stuff the US does because there is way too much ... Today was over 1000 CIA "secret" flights over Europe to kidnap and bring foreign citizens to tortureCIA prisons .. ( the one that didnèt exist, but that caused the firing of a CIA official for leaking the info ..).

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by aico

Not that I care cuz I hate Bush with a fucking passion, but you really want us to get our proof from a website called Fuck Bush? LOL, seems a little biased. Give me a CNN link and then I'll believe it more.

Ignoring treaties is what makes this country so great, just ask the indians.

Well, the video is not exactly made by amateurs, just provided on fuckbush.eu. So you think CNN would ever air that kind of stuff? Dream on.

[aico]

Originally Posted by kandah

Well, the video is not exactly made by amateurs, just provided on fuckbush.eu. So you think CNN would ever air that kind of stuff? Dream on.

The first 4 words in my post pretty much say how I feel, the rest was just filler for my own enjoyment.

[GlydeGirl]

You know what they say.... "All's fair in love and war!"
The also say... "It isn't a crime if you don't get caught!"

It's no big surprise that the USA uses dirty tactics in war -- everybody does. The country that fights fairly usually loses fast!

Playing by the rules seems to only be applicable to Olympic athletes these days!

[spunkmaster]

It's Willie Pete not whisky pete !

The US Army also uses it all the time to light up an airfield during
training exercises !

It's harmless 100% unless you get some on your skin while it's burning!

[NetRodent]

*** BREAKING NEWS ***

Charles Augustus Lindbergh, Jr., twenty-month-old son of the famous aviator and Anne Morrow Lindbergh, was kidnapped about 9:00 p.m., on March 1, 1932, from the nursery on the second floor of the Lindbergh home near Hopewell, New Jersey. The child's absence was discovered and reported to his parents, who were then at home, at approximately 10:00 p.m. by the child's nurse, Betty Gow. A search of the premises was immediately made and a ransom note demanding $50,000 was found on the nursery window sill. After the Hopewell police were notified, the report was telephoned to the New Jersey State Police, who assumed charge of the investigation.

During the search at the kidnapping scene, traces of mud were found on the floor of the nursery. Footprints, impossible to measure, were found under the nursery window. Two sections of the ladder had been used in reaching the window, one of the two sections was split or broken where it joined the other, indicating that the ladder had broken during the ascent or descent. There were no blood stains in or about the nursery, nor were there any fingerprints.

Household and estate employees were questioned and investigated. Colonel Lindbergh asked friends to communicate with the kidnappers, and they made widespread appeals for the kidnappers to start negotiations. Various underworld characters were dealt with in attempts to contact the kidnappers, and numerous clues were advanced and exhausted.

[King Adam]

I believe it. The US has become an embarrasment to human life.

[directfiesta]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=537648

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=537648

its old I know, some people may not know about it..

[potter]

you're still an idiot, no matter how many new threads you make on the subject

[King Adam]

Originally Posted by potter

you're still an idiot, no matter how many new threads you make on the subject

I disagree. I love his threads. Why do you think he's an idiot? Because he doesn't sound like the average sheep in the US?

The truth hurts doesn't it.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

It's Willie Pete not whisky pete !

The US Army also uses it all the time to light up an airfield during
training exercises !

It's harmless 100% unless you get some on your skin while it's burning!

Actually it is Whiskey Pete. The military phonetic for W is whiskey, not willie.

I've fired alot of WP artillery rounds with a timed fuze to explode just a hundred feet or so above ground to cover the area with burning phosphorous and to provide a dense smoke cover. The illumination rounds are not the same as the WP rounds even though they both use white phosphorous, the illum rounds explode in the air and have a phosphorous flare attached to a parachute, to illuminate the battlefield and it works excellant. The WP rounds are used as incendiaries or to provide smoke cover.

[CyberHustler]

lets not forget about depleted uranium

[Sexxxy Sites]

Originally Posted by MrPheer

Actually it is Whiskey Pete. The military phonetic for W is whiskey, not willie.

I've fired alot of WP artillery rounds with a timed fuze to explode just a hundred feet or so above ground to cover the area with burning phosphorous and to provide a dense smoke cover. The illumination rounds are not the same as the WP rounds even though they both use white phosphorous, the illum rounds explode in the air and have a phosphorous flare attached to a parachute, to illuminate the battlefield and it works excellant. The WP rounds are used as incendiaries or to provide smoke cover.

It may be currently called Whiskey Pete but at one point it was commonly called willie pete and, or willie peter. The rest of your post is correct.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

It may be currently called Whiskey Pete but at one point it was commonly called willie pete and, or willie peter. The rest of your post is correct.

I joined the Army in '90, all I know is what they called it from 1990 thru 1997

[Sexxxy Sites]

Originally Posted by BuySexProducts

lets not forget about depleted uranium

Depleted uranium is used for armor piercing rounds as tank killers, personnel carrier killers etc. and is fired by tanks, armored personnel carriers and "tank buster" aircraft (fixed and rotary wing).

[potter]

Originally Posted by King Adam

I disagree. I love his threads. Why do you think he's an idiot? Because he doesn't sound like the average sheep in the US?

The truth hurts doesn't it.

The truth hurts? Oh please. If you really want to get into a political debate I'm all for it. Military history and weaponry are two subjects I study extensively. These WP threads and facts are totally one sided, misleading, anti-American propaganda.

If you want to preach anti-American war time tactics, feel free. It doesn't bother me. But this WP propaganda is laughable to anyone who is somewhat informed. So go ahead and continue feeding the sheep the bullshit.

[u-Bob]

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[Linkster]

Why is this posted as new news - this came out over a year ago in the mainstream news - and it just continues the tradition that Churchill started in the 1920s of using chemical weapons in Iraq - he was a huge advocate of the gassing of tribes when they became "unruly". Seems it was the same tribes that Saddam gassed as well as they always have fought against whatever government was running Iraq at the time as it didnt match their religion beliefs.

[Linkster]

BTW - heres the link from a reliable news source - I guess the BBC is about as reliable as you can get these days
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm

The state department at the time denied allof it but I guess the documentary actually had the evidence so its kind of a mute point

I sure dont know why people get all kicked up over this kinda stuff - its a fact that the stuff Saddam used was US provided gas and we used similar stuff in Viet Nam many times - it was supposed to have been destroyed by the US some time ago but its obvious that we dont always get rid of things that work

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by potter

The truth hurts? Oh please. If you really want to get into a political debate I'm all for it. Military history and weaponry are two subjects I study extensively. These WP threads and facts are totally one sided, misleading, anti-American propaganda.

If you want to preach anti-American war time tactics, feel free. It doesn't bother me. But this WP propaganda is laughable to anyone who is somewhat informed. So go ahead and continue feeding the sheep the bullshit.

Im all for a private discussion as well.

[Sexxxy Sites]

Originally Posted by Linkster

BTW - heres the link from a reliable news source - I guess the BBC is about as reliable as you can get these days
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm

The BBC is reporting a report made by Italian state TV.

The state department at the time denied allof it but I guess the documentary actually had the evidence so its kind of a mute point.

The evidence is arguable. I watched the video when it first came out.

- its a fact that the stuff Saddam used was US provided gas

No it is not fact.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

The BBC is reporting a report made by Italian state TV.

So ?

I know of some countries that invaded others on ' ... evidence supplied by the Btritish Gov ... ' ....

[Webby]

Oh Gawd... another boring old thread about how one side needs sainthood bestowed on em and how the rest are all lies and could never be possible.

There are more authoratitive sources re chemical usage and this is nothing new - but it's all lies.

It would be nice to see some members of the human race realise there are more important things than the actions of the US or anyone in Iraq. The payback time for that will come in one form or another and sure as hell, I got nada sympathy for anyone other than those who stayed out of the swamp since day one of this crap. All others encouraged, aided and became cheerleaders in frilly panties.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

No it is not fact.

Actually it is - this came out during the congresional hearings when people found out that D. Rumsfeld had spent some time in Iraq in 1984 with Saddam as the US envoy - I only provided a little snippet of some of the testimony and records from congress - this was just one of the US companies providing biological and poison components at the time in our support to Iraq against Iran - we also brokered deals where we provided helicopters that were used in the Kurd attack that everybody is up in arms about - and Saddam is on trial for:
"From the From U.S. Senate Hearing Report 103-900


u.s. exports of biological materials to iraq

The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs has
oversight responsibility for the Export Administration Act. Pursuant to
the Act, Committee staff contacted the U.S. Department of Commerce and
requested information on the export of biological materials during the
years prior to the Gulf War. After receiving this information, we
contacted a principal supplier of these materials to determine what, if
any, materials were exported to Iraq which might have contributed to an
offensive or defensive biological warfare program. Records available
from the supplier for the period from 1985 until the present show that
during this time, pathogenic (meaning "disease producing"), toxigenic
(meaning "poisonous"), and other biological research materials were
exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S.
Department of Commerce. Records prior to 1985 were not available,
according to the supplier. These exported biological materials were not
attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction. According to
the Department of Defense's own Report to Congress on the Conduct of
the Persian Gulf War, released in April 1992"


If you would like to study some more of our history in Iraq - you might get a better understanding of what is really wrong with what we are doing now - and why the US has already lost to the terrorists - a great man once said that "fear of terrorism is the indication you have lost to them" - I totally agree and we have just played right into the hands of what every jihaadist ever wanted

[Sexxxy Sites]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Actually it is - this came out during the congresional hearings when people found out that D. Rumsfeld had spent some time in Iraq in 1984 with Saddam as the US envoy - I only provided a little snippet of some of the testimony and records from congress - this was just one of the US companies providing biological and poison components at the time in our support to Iraq against Iran - we also brokered deals where we provided helicopters that were used in the Kurd attack that everybody is up in arms about - and Saddam is on trial for:
"From the From U.S. Senate Hearing Report 103-900


u.s. exports of biological materials to iraq

The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs has
oversight responsibility for the Export Administration Act. Pursuant to
the Act, Committee staff contacted the U.S. Department of Commerce and
requested information on the export of biological materials during the
years prior to the Gulf War. After receiving this information, we
contacted a principal supplier of these materials to determine what, if
any, materials were exported to Iraq which might have contributed to an
offensive or defensive biological warfare program. Records available
from the supplier for the period from 1985 until the present show that
during this time, pathogenic (meaning "disease producing"), toxigenic
(meaning "poisonous"), and other biological research materials were
exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S.
Department of Commerce. Records prior to 1985 were not available,
according to the supplier. These exported biological materials were not
attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction. According to
the Department of Defense's own Report to Congress on the Conduct of
the Persian Gulf War, released in April 1992"


If you would like to study some more of our history in Iraq - you might get a better understanding of what is really wrong with what we are doing now - and why the US has already lost to the terrorists - a great man once said that "fear of terrorism is the indication you have lost to them" - I totally agree and we have just played right into the hands of what every jihaadist ever wanted

Quote:
- its a fact that the stuff Saddam used was US provided gas



No it is not fact. And the article you posted does not mention gas. I have studied our entire history in Iraq and I am more that familiar with what US companies provided to Iraq and did not provide as well as what the government provided Iraq and did not provide.

I am not aware of anyone that fears terrorism. I am aware that the government as well as the citizens have a concern about being attacked by enemies and that is as it should be. Have you ever considered that it is the "ihaadists" that "have just played right into the hands" of the US and the West in general.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

I am not aware of anyone that fears terrorism. I am aware that the government as well as the citizens have a concern about being attacked by enemies and that is as it should be. Have you ever considered that it is the "ihaadists" that "have just played right into the hands" of the US and the West in general.

Don't you get the point in that quote?? Whether the word used was "fear" or a totally frenzy matters little.

The fact that the current admin have used "fear" as a manipulative device and spent billions of dollars pretending they can protect folks from terrorism boil down to the same thing - namely playing right into the hands of what are described as "terrorists".

Has any other country who have been the victims of terrorism in the western world ever got so paranoid? Nope. It's getting boring hearing about this shit time and time again with all the pathetic excuses and crazy naivety.

[Sexxxy Sites]

Originally Posted by Webby

Don't you get the point in that quote?? Whether the word used was "fear" or a totally frenzy matters little.

The fact that the current admin have used "fear" as a manipulative device and spent billions of dollars pretending they can protect folks from terrorism boil down to the same thing - namely playing right into the hands of what are described as "terrorists".

Has any other country who have been the victims of terrorism in the western world ever got so paranoid? Nope. It's getting boring hearing about this shit time and time again with all the pathetic excuses and crazy naivety.

I am not aware of what you are referring to when you say a "manipulative device" or what has been manipulated.

I am not aware of anyone in government or any "experts" pretending that they can "protect folks from terrorism". I am aware that they are spending in areas to "HELP" in preventing attacks and this is as it should be. I am aware of everyone in government, "experts" and the citizentry saying that either assets or the US proper will be hit again. In this I believe that they are correct and that this will be correct for generations to come.

par·a·noid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-noid)
adj.
Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others: a paranoid suspicion that the phone might be bugged.

Since US assets (as well as the US proper has been attacked twice) for the past two decades I do not think that paranoid is the applicable word.

[mattz]

I hate Bush and yes the US is embarrasing

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

I am not aware of what you are referring to when you say a "manipulative device" or what has been manipulated. ................

Sheesh.. Na... I really can't be bothered answering - no disrespect mean't.

It's just getting embarassing listening to bullshit from the US and kinda sad for many folks there - it was never their "fault".

PS.. Don't really need an summary of the meaning of paranoid either