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bigdog 04-25-2006 06:17 AM

bump for good thread

Brujah 04-25-2006 06:25 AM

How much money are some of you paying to create a new paysite? Are budgets getting bigger to build some impressive sites?

Mr.Right - Banned For Life 04-25-2006 06:27 AM

Sites with exclusive content mainly solo girl sites like lightspeed ect, should be charging more, content like that cost big $$$, you have to pay your models, equipment, maintain the site, if you ask me, sites are not charging enough for exclusive content sites.

FuqALot 04-25-2006 06:28 AM

i love adult webmasters.

they always seem to know everythin about the internet and sales, yet theyre adult webmasters. hihi.

Anthony 04-25-2006 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeon
Weren't you getting married?

Off topic - I got an ICQ that you and the spammer got tossed from the nursing home...what happened?

I will say this once, and one time only. You were right. She was a gold digging bitch.

Hit me up in icq ref the nursing home shit 21239908.

Dirty Dane 04-25-2006 06:36 AM

supply/demand/costs et cetera et cetera!

Like covering niches, the paysites should cover type of customers. Like if he does not signup for full period, give him an exit console with trial offer. If it match the overall costs of course :)

bigdog 05-14-2006 07:10 AM

bump for sick webmasters

Barefootsies 05-14-2006 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuqALot
i love adult webmasters.

they always seem to know everythin about the internet and sales, yet theyre adult webmasters. hihi.

Adult webmasters know about THEIR market, niche, sales for their sites on the INTERNET. I do not recall anyone making a remark on the internet as a whole, and I believe we were talking about OUR sites.

What an asshat.

:321GFY

coolegg2 05-14-2006 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck
You, me, the processors and everybody out there knows that MOST rebills happen because people *forget* to cancel. A small percentage rebill purposefully.

That statement is dead wrong. Maybe for your sites it's true, but not for mine.

Broda 05-14-2006 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff
Bullshit. If that were anything but an urban legend for all but a tiny minority, everyone would have great rebill ratios and no-one would need all the rest of the crap. There wouldn't be sites which retain members for months and others which are lucky to get them to stay past a trial.

No-one in their right mind "cares" about surfers beyond giving them reasons to spend and keep spending their money. The difference is between those who act as if they will only get one shot at him (and then do everything to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy) and those who know that our customers are exactly like us, exactly like the customers of any industry. They will willingly spend again and again: if they are not taken for a ride.

I'm sick of the cowboy sponsors who talk as if their approach to business is a reasoned one. When someone puts up a hosted gallery and the thumbs are almost black, or includes a closeup of an empty staircase, or uses pics from a "content club" that went out of business 4 years ago, there is a sponsor who, sure as eggs are eggs, will be using cross-sells to screw his customers and xboxes to pull affiliates.

Such sponsors aren't smart. If they were smart, they would make more effort to get as many customers as possible to the door to be fleeced. But their operations are shoddy from end to end because that's how they work and they are stuck with all the tricks because that's all they have going for them.

He's right on the money on that point, despite you thinking that he isn't. I've had tons of rebills on sites that didn't even exist any more.

seven 05-14-2006 07:38 AM

Quote:

4.95 for 3 days is the monthly equivalent of about 150 dollars a month
Your math is so fucking fucked up damn! 4.95 for 3 days is equivalent of $49.50 per month not 150 dolla brutha! :1orglaugh

seven 05-14-2006 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck
1) Stop the act of rebilling. You, me, the processors and everybody out there knows that MOST rebills happen because people *forget* to cancel. A small percentage rebill purposefully.

This is not true either. According to processors only about 2% of rebills happen because people *forget* to cancel, rest rebill purposefully.. now if your site does that 2% only converting from trial to rebill that would be 100% rebills cause of frogetful people for you otherwise.. Get your facts checked bro before you babble along :winkwink:

Quick Buck 05-14-2006 08:25 AM

hahahahah, bumping an old thread here. lol.

What processor gave you those stats?

bigdog 05-14-2006 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck
hahahahah, bumping an old thread here. lol.

What processor gave you those stats?

It was a good thread deserves a bump

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-14-2006 12:51 PM

We know ya guys do not care about surfers.

http://www.ialien.com/nohost.gif

But then I do not think webmasters care about surfers either, but when surfers are stolen...
Thats a different matter.:1orglaugh

David - PG 05-14-2006 01:05 PM

Ridiculous GFY Myth #738

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC
If you dont offer them trials, most will join anyway.


Socks 05-14-2006 01:11 PM

From our experience as one of the original 'review' sites, I'll post more later.

When we started developing our site in 2001, it was badly needed. Webmasters were getting away with too much, and it was hurting the industry as a whole because of chargebacks, etc. People were being very greedy.

Trials are what they have to be, with bandwidth nowadays. Limited trials I'm okay with, just tell the fucking customers! They have a right to know what they're buying. It's your business, run it how you want, but you really can't stop me from explaining how you conduct business to my customers.

Most good sites who stop selling trials and start selling monthly only, do just fine, and sales increase.

If you charge $39.95, it better be pretty good.

What concerns me is The Best Porn.

They are now offering "discounts" to many sites, by working deals with webmasters. Many sites at half price, etc. When I launch my next site, do I now have to follow suit? I guess I do. If he does it, I have to.

So then I guess we all have to? Where does that end.

Loryn 05-14-2006 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre



If we stopped offering free porn, then we would make money again... that's it.

B I N G O :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Drake 05-14-2006 01:41 PM

lol nice try...

andrej_NDC 05-14-2006 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David - PG
Ridiculous GFY Myth #738

I tried both, with trials and without on several spots.

MaddCaz 05-14-2006 03:11 PM

I'm confused...is he pro moral or anti moral?

RRRED 05-14-2006 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks
It's your business, run it how you want, but you really can't stop me from explaining how you conduct business to my customers.

Most good sites who stop selling trials and start selling monthly only, do just fine, and sales increase.

We love when you explain how we conduct business :thumbsup

Rui 05-14-2006 03:48 PM

I find it ironic that this thread was started by somebody that dealt with spyware...

you make good valid points but still its funny coming from you guys...

Rui 05-14-2006 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax
i say no trials
40 bucks a month
well
that would be nice

oh and no free porn at all
fuck
id even be happy with 20 bucks a month if there was no free porn

sadly things are moving to the opposite direction

more and more crappy FHG's flooding the net and programs offering lots of crappy content in global members areas that aren't worth jack shit...

All this for the almigthy quick-buck (not talking about the program btw ;) )

Edit: Plus using xsales, exit chains, traffic leaks, shittyass $100 plugins,etc...

justsexxx 05-14-2006 04:00 PM

Regarding most rebills are just there because they 'forget' to cancel. I can see from logs when a user joins, when he logs in, and how long etc.

I do see most users join, access the memberarea right away, and come back 2 days after that. And then like 2-3 times a week,,,

Also funny how 'karups' for example must have the most STUPID members, compared to revshare sites with 10 pics total

Andre

Barefootsies 05-14-2006 04:32 PM

Yeah no shit.

That 'rebill forget' thing's horseshit. If they are doing that on your sites, or you have a flood of chargebacks, you might want to consider looking at your business model.

Or impliment a 'nonrecurring' option.

Plenty rebill for months, or years if you have good material, and know your market.

:2 cents:

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-14-2006 04:44 PM

Woosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You fucking morons!

LOL! Congrats Hooper you did it! You banked on total fucking idiots to win out over real biz folks!

You win bro!

beemk 05-14-2006 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoGivesaShit
and their is plenty of password sites and free shit on the net.

yeah i agree, just like the other day my friend was telling me he went to the store to buy groceries. i laughed at him and said "why would you do that when you can just bring your backpack and steal them?"

WDchris 05-14-2006 04:51 PM

Internet porn is but sexy images on the computer screen.

Quick Buck 05-14-2006 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Woosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You fucking morons!

LOL! Congrats Hooper you did it! You banked on total fucking idiots to win out over real biz folks!

You win bro!



Put down the bong.

Sparks 05-14-2006 04:53 PM

Sounds to me like you havent looked into the amount it costs to start and run a successful program. No program could make it working with $4-6 per sale. No affiliate would push it either... making it tougher on the programs.

Also, you get something unique. Milfhunter, for example, updates 3 times a week with 1 new girl every week. It is a consistent website. You can't get that from a DVD.

seven 05-14-2006 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks
Sounds to me like you havent looked into the amount it costs to start and run a successful program. No program could make it working with $4-6 per sale. No affiliate would push it either... making it tougher on the programs.

Also, you get something unique. Milfhunter, for example, updates 3 times a week with 1 new girl every week. It is a consistent website. You can't get that from a DVD.

Nawh sounds to me like he's talking about 114 cookie cutter sites with bulk non-exclusive content. So in his case he'd prolly be right. But exclusive hardcore orgy/interracial or alike shoot each worth $3,000+ it could get hard for many sites to stay online and pay its bills @$4-6.. then again, don't think he's talking about that.

Alien, is he really Hooper?

Barefootsies 05-14-2006 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven
Nawh sounds to me like he's talking about 114 cookie cutter sites with bulk non-exclusive content. So in his case he'd prolly be right. But exclusive hardcore orgy/interracial or alike shoot each worth $3,000+ it could get hard for many sites to stay online and pay its bills @$4-6.. then again, don't think he's talking about that.

Alien, is he really Hooper?

Probably so.

I'm do not know what kind of sites he's referring to, but if it's repackaged cookie cutters, then he might be on to something.

:2 cents:

Webby 05-14-2006 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass
Sites are too cheap now. They should raise rates. I have HBO and am fuzzy on the cost but a good porn site should be that high or higher. Blockbuster does not rent porn so being higher then them makes sense to me.

Agree slapass!

Only my :2 cents: but also think the US market has damaged the "value" of front-end prices and it's kinda spoilt.

There is far more individual signup value from a surfers outside the US - especially when you offer payment in their own currency.

Simple example - Publishers often price books in multi-currency and e.g. a $39.95 book can be priced at 39.95 in UK pounds and same in Euros. There is a vast difference between 39.95 UK pounds and $US 39.95 - currently a difference of around $35.78 extra.

There is also a geographical perception of what a sufer expects to pay. $19.95 is nothing to a Euro surfer - it's the cost of a packet of cigarettes and some loose change.

I'll roll with the currency basket any day! :winkwink:

Quick Buck 05-14-2006 08:53 PM

it's awfully frustrating reading posts where people refer to "you" and "he".

I'd be fascinated to see a site bill 5 dollars a month and stay in business too.


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