If money costs more to produce than it's worth, then what?

[RayBonga]

A Penny for Your Thoughts, and 1.4 Cents for the Penny

WHAT happens if a penny is worth more than 1 cent?

That is an issue the United States Mint could soon face if the price of metals keeps rising. Already it costs the mint well more than a cent to make a penny.

This week the cost of the metals in a penny rose above 0.8 cents, more than twice the value of last fall. Because the government spends at least another six-tenths of a cent ? above and beyond the cost of the metal ? to make each penny, it will lose nearly half a cent on each new one it mints.

The real problem could come if metals prices rise so high that it would be economical to melt down pennies for the metals they contain.

Appearances aside, pennies no longer contain much copper. In the middle of 1982, after copper prices rose to record levels, the mint starting making pennies that consist mostly of zinc, with just a thin copper coating.

But these days, zinc is newly popular. Rising industrial demand and speculation have sent the price rocketing. Since the end of 2003, zinc prices have tripled. Gold, by contrast, is up only about 50 percent.

"What is really new in the commodity world is the extent to which hard commodities have been converted to financial assets through exchange-traded funds and hedge funds," said Ed Yardeni, the chief investment strategist of Oak Associates.

"In the late 90's," Mr. Yardeni added, "my hedge fund friends were all experts in technology. Now all they talk about is zinc, lead and oil. There is a lot of money that has poured into these areas."

That may mean that a bubble is brewing, but Mr. Yardeni thinks the run is not yet over.

Asked if the mint had a backup plan for what it will do if zinc prices rise far enough that it could pay to melt down pennies, a spokesman said that such issues were for Congress to decide. Perhaps the mint could go back to making steel pennies, as it did during World War II when copper was needed for the war effort.

Pennies, meanwhile, are in high demand. Last year, the mint made 7.7 billion of them ? more than the number of all the other coins it produced. In the first three months of this year, the pace of penny production rose to an annual rate of 9 billion ? the highest since 2001.

Why so many? Perhaps there is now some hoarding in expectation that metal prices will keep rising, but mostly it is an issue of sales taxes, which in most states are added to the retail price and assure that the total price of many items will require pennies to be given in change if a customer pays with dollar bills. That helps explain why the idea of eliminating the penny has gone nowhere.

So retailers demand pennies from their banks, the banks demand them from the Federal Reserve, and the Fed orders them from the mint. Many of the people who get the pennies in change throw them into a jar, where they may sit for years, requiring the mint to make more and more of them.

And, at these prices, lose money on every one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/22/bu...rssnyt&emc=rss

Interesting read.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Pennies are an anachronism. They should be discontinued.

[Doctor Dre]

What can you do with a penny anyways ? seriously

[madawgz]

serious! so if i got 1,000,000 pennies.... i could melt them all down and make money from selling the chunk?

[RayBonga]

Originally Posted by madawgz

serious! so if i got 1,000,000 pennies.... i could melt them all down and make money from selling the chunk?

The metal in the pennies is worth 0.8 cents.

Cost of metal + cost of making them > 1 penny

[xclusive]

They should be dropped and save the people of the US some money

[woj]

I never use coins anyway, usually try to use debit/credit cards, and in the rare case when I do get some coins, I just put it all in the jar, and when $20 or so accumulates I deposit at the bank...

[elitetec]

interesting