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Old 04-24-2006, 09:37 AM   #1
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GAS should be $5.00 a gallon in the U.S. !!!

Do you realize that every day the U.S. accounts for about 25% of the world's gasoline consumption yet we continue to enjoy some of the lowest gas prices in the world? What's wrong with this picture? Shouldn't those countries consuming less pay less? Why not?

If U.S. government and big business would focus on the big picture rather than their short-term and short sighted selfish capitalistic idealogies they would realize that the only thing that will slow down this mass consumption by the U.S. is to raise the price at the pump.

Crazy you say. Can you think of any other way that will FORCE it's population to change their way of thinking. It's time the U.S. people got over it's ME. ME. ME. attitude and started thinking about their own future generations and what kind of mentality they are being instilled with.

There must be drastic changes in the way Americans live and more specifically in their modes of transpotation. Most people cannot even comprehend the long term affects of depletion of the ozone layer or the melting of the polar icecaps. Bottom line is that if something does not have any immediate effect on the average Joe he will not change the way he does anything.

So the one's that can do something about it have chosen the side of profit over the good of all and the irony is that they are really the only ones that can correct or alter the way we think or act. When will the U.S. realize that the ideals that made this country the great nation that it is today are no longer the ideals that we follow.

As we all know the people with the power in the U.S. are the ones that will have to take the lead in creating the new ideology this country needs. I just hope we can find and elect those leaders that have the vision, ability and most of all the balls to do something to help someone other than themselves.

P.S. If you don't understand how rasing gas to $5.00 a gallon will have the most positive affect on the U.S. then re-read Economics 101 for a refresher course in supply and demand.

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Old 04-24-2006, 09:40 AM   #2
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shhhhhhhhhh... we need top keep this under wraps.
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"Shouldn't those countries consuming less pay less?"

I quit reading here. If we all used your theory then Wal-Mart would be the most expensive place to shop.
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Though I agree with you, 1 litre of gas costs close to $1.6 in Sweden.
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You want a litre of a petrol over here and your paying hahaha163;1.03 which is approx $2.10 or something! Thats a litre not a gallon!
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I agree. Raise the price. Then more people will use public transportation.
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1-1,15 euros / litre here in Greece!
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Low gas prices prop up our standard of living. Goods and services flow cheaply.
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Im willing to bet he's also nice to his neighbors - can you believe that shit?
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discount by volume. pretty simple.
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Public transport is not an option for some people! I know that for a fact.

Buses are always late, you then get late to your work. After three lates you can be dismissed so you loose your job just cause you took the bus, and dont think Im over exaggerating here cause thats the way it works over this end.

The trains are always delayed! Same problem as before.

Taxi's are far too expensive! You jump in the taxi and the fare is at something like hahaha163;2 before you even start off ($4 approx)

Car sharing I agree with but where we are we have this thing called the forth road bridge. Its the main route into the capital from my end of scotland. To get across the bridge you pay hahaha163;1 which covers both in and out.

They want to bump this up to hahaha163;4 for those who dont care share during peak hours. Now the thing is some people really cant car share! My mom in law is the onlyh one at her work who comes from the other side of the bridge so explain that one!

I just think its another way to line those fat cats trousers pockets! We are paying through the nose for something. Slapass is right. When petrol is cheap people dont mind going out in the car, they spend more, they have more fun!

And think of the people driving all those fast sporty cars (us included) Its madness!
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Im willing to bet he's also nice to his neighbors - can you believe that shit?
Recycling is a hoax and uses more resources / causes more damage than producing shit from scratch. At least that's what Penn & Teller say.
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Recycling is a hoax and uses more resources / causes more damage than producing shit from scratch. At least that's what Penn & Teller say.
Except for aluminum cans. recycling those actually does save energy and is cheaper than producing cans from raw materials.
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Except for aluminum cans. recycling those actually does save energy and is cheaper than producing cans from raw materials.
Glass too.
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Maybe but is that factoring in the cost of sorting through the recycled shit to get the glass etc out? That was one of their points when determining cost that the recycle workers got huge salaries to dig through trash.
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Im willing to bet he's also nice to his neighbors - can you believe that shit?
The only thing I try to recycle is good ideas.

As far as being nice to my neighbors you would lose that bet. I've lived in my current house for almost two years now and haven't even met or said hi to my neighbors.

The point of the pricing issue is... Why do countries that conserve pay higher prices and the country that is most wasteful pays the least?


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There's isn't any public transportation within 65 miles of me.
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Maybe but is that factoring in the cost of sorting through the recycled shit to get the glass etc out? That was one of their points when determining cost that the recycle workers got huge salaries to dig through trash.
Most transfer stations already are set up to have that shit pre sorted by the customers. (glass and aluminum that is). Its just that glass and aluminum can be used over and over again with no real issues. Again it is why recyclers will pay you for glass bottles just like aluminum cans, its profitable.

Unlike paper, plastic, cardboard, steel cans (cat food, tuna etc), and all that other shit.
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P.S. If you don't understand how rasing gas to $5.00 a gallon will have the most positive affect on the U.S. then re-read Economics 101 for a refresher course in supply and demand.
Well since most goods in the US are delivered by truck I'd imagine $5 a gallon gas would increase inflation for starters. Also people would drive less thus increasing the supply of gas which will eventually lead to an oversupply and a drastic drop in the price of gas at which point we will go back to the way we are driving right now which will lead to less supply which will lead to higher gas prices etc etc etc.......
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gasoline is not the only product made from petroleum.
why aren't those other products going up in price?
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gasoline is not the only product made from petroleum.
why aren't those other products going up in price?
Refining it.

Plus there is not as much demand for motor oil or petroleum jelly as there is for gasoline. Well not at least until boyalleys birthday party.
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this is a partial list
http://www.ranken-energy.com/Product...0Petroleum.htm
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Most transfer stations already are set up to have that shit pre sorted by the customers. (glass and aluminum that is). Its just that glass and aluminum can be used over and over again with no real issues. Again it is why recyclers will pay you for glass bottles just like aluminum cans, its profitable.

Unlike paper, plastic, cardboard, steel cans (cat food, tuna etc), and all that other shit.
Metal recycling makes sense (aluminum, large amounts of steel etc). I have no idea how glass is processed so I'll take your word for it.
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why aren't those other products going up in price?
I hear the price of Vaseline in San Fransico has gone up immensely.
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Shouldn't those countries consuming less pay less? Why not?
Go re-read Economics 101 and learn about volume discounts
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Refining it.

Plus there is not as much demand for motor oil or petroleum jelly as there is for gasoline. Well not at least until boyalleys birthday party.

thats bullshit!
crude has to be refined to make other products too.
its just where you take off the catalytic cracker.
basically they boil the crude and take it off at various levels, the higher you go the refined the product.
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Do you realize that every day the U.S. accounts for about 25% of the world's gasoline consumption yet we continue to enjoy some of the lowest gas prices in the world? What's wrong with this picture? Shouldn't those countries consuming less pay less? Why not?

If U.S. government and big business would focus on the big picture rather than their short-term and short sighted selfish capitalistic idealogies they would realize that the only thing that will slow down this mass consumption by the U.S. is to raise the price at the pump.

Crazy you say. Can you think of any other way that will FORCE it's population to change their way of thinking. It's time the U.S. people got over it's ME. ME. ME. attitude and started thinking about their own future generations and what kind of mentality they are being instilled with.

There must be drastic changes in the way Americans live and more specifically in their modes of transpotation. Most people cannot even comprehend the long term affects of depletion of the ozone layer or the melting of the polar icecaps. Bottom line is that if something does not have any immediate effect on the average Joe he will not change the way he does anything.

So the one's that can do something about it have chosen the side of profit over the good of all and the irony is that they are really the only ones that can correct or alter the way we think or act. When will the U.S. realize that the ideals that made this country the great nation that it is today are no longer the ideals that we follow.

As we all know the people with the power in the U.S. are the ones that will have to take the lead in creating the new ideology this country needs. I just hope we can find and elect those leaders that have the vision, ability and most of all the balls to do something to help someone other than themselves.

P.S. If you don't understand how rasing gas to $5.00 a gallon will have the most positive affect on the U.S. then re-read Economics 101 for a refresher course in supply and demand.

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Fuck changing the way we live except I want my civil liberties back!! The answer is alternative energy for transportation and using the oil we have in Alaska, the Gulf, and where ever else. I suspect we could do away with the need of any oil from the middle east if we applied the resouces to do it.
Most of the oil we use comes from Canada.
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WRONG....

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Then please do tell me why on that site Canada is higher than Mexico when it comes to year to date.


Ok nevermind I see where I went wrong. I had thought one thing and typed something entirely different in my original post.
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Most of the oil we use comes from Canada.

So it wouldn't take much to say fuck you to the the UAE etc. (OK, a bit of a generalization) Without all the dollars we sent for oil from the middle-east all those countries would be a lot less of a problem.

Besides we need to do something about the balance of trade. That includes more than just oil. Hell, why attack the US, just buy it.
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Why would the government want to let the price of gas go to $5? It would cripple our economy (temporarily) and all but assure that those in office do NOT get re-elected. Remember these are elected officials. Their getting re-elected trumps our long term preservation of lifestyle.

If you had a decision to make at your cushy job which would help the people of your community 10 years from now but came with a price tag of you losing that job would you do it?
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I seem to recall seeing on the news the other day that Mexico City pays about half of what I do, and Venezuela 25%. Some countries were paying $.12/gallon due to government subsidies.
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It's interesting how many countries with a strong economy also have the highest gas prices. What could the U.S. learn from these countries?

This is not a rhetorical question.


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All I know is that gas prices are fucked up here in Sweden, you guys in the US should go up $1 a gallon and half europe could go down $1 per gallon.
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Other countries tax gasoline far more then they do in the USA. The USA also has terrible public transportation. I live in a town of 65,000 people and there isn't a bus stop with 2 miles of me.

The tax on US gasoline is very little so when the price goes up it's all profit for the oil companies and we pretty much have to pay whatever they ask.
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The US has the worst track record for public transportation. Take a look at Seattle for example. Spent billions on a monorail that never got built. Trains that go no where and a bus system that for lack of a better term is all fucked up. I pay taxes in my area for public transportation that I don't have any access to...makes total sense to me... On top of all that with the government involvement in the oil industry do you really think that they are going to allow any of the research in alternate energy sources to really take off?
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Old 04-24-2006, 02:27 PM   #46
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Other countries tax gasoline far more then they do in the USA. The USA also has terrible public transportation. I live in a town of 65,000 people and there isn't a bus stop with 2 miles of me.

The tax on US gasoline is very little so when the price goes up it's all profit for the oil companies and we pretty much have to pay whatever they ask.
The tax is low? Fuck what kind of taxes are you paying per gallon if you can say that. I know in CA we pay a fuck load.
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