The dark secret of why gas prices are high...

[Splum]

[TurboAngel]

[Splum]

We are addicited yo, this shit is worse than crack.

[marketsmart]

what we are seeing now is a result of corporate greed and the govt's lack of action (kickbacks & bribes) to make us less depnedent on fossil fuels...

[ContentSHOOTER]

I guess there is no reason to complain about the price of gas then....

[Splum]

Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER

I guess there is no reason to complain about the price of gas then....

Exactly, I hear its like 5 euros per gallon in Europe is that true? Regardless its time for me to buy an alternative fuel automobile or a bicycle.

[Michael O]

Originally Posted by Splum

Exactly, I hear its like 5 euros per gallon in Europe is that true? Regardless its time for me to buy an alternative fuel automobile or a bicycle.

In Denmark its $6.5-$7 per gallon.

Back in late 80's early 90's in Denmark we paid the same for a litre Americans paid for a gallon.

Fuel prices in western Europe have always been a lot more expensive than in the US so Europeans have always saved on fuel, driven fuel efficient card, opened a window instead of using AC and so on but if th fuel prices in Europe had been the same as in the US you would have seen the same mass consumption of fuel.

[madawgz]

gas is seriously like crack!

[Pornwolf]

This is getting out of hand. This better be the platform of the next president.

[King Adam]

You want to make a differnce? Go and pick up a loaded one of these. It drives real nice and is a great second car.

Honda Accord Hybrid

[Dollarmansteve]

Originally Posted by Splum

We are addicited yo, this shit is worse than crack.

ya i smoked some gas last night and got CRAZY high

[Splum]

Originally Posted by King Adam

You want to make a differnce? Go and pick up a loaded one of these. It drives real nice and is a great second car. Honda Accord Hybrid

Not too bad looking either Ill have to check one out
Seriously we all should maybe stop bitching about gas prices and lower our own consumption, man too bad this could never become a grass roots movement, so many lazy people.

[crockett]

Not saying we don't need to cut back, I'm all for it.. The thing that's different about the US is our country is way bigger than just about everyone on the list. You could probably fit every one of those countries on that list inside the US boarders.

So just by the way our country is set up, it requires the average American to drive much more than most people in other countries around the world.

[King Adam]

Originally Posted by Splum

Not too bad looking either Ill have to check one out
Seriously we all should maybe stop bitching about gas prices and lower our own consumption, man too bad this could never become a grass roots movement, so many lazy people.

No joke .. could you imagine if 5% of the population got a hybrid car of some sort. It would make a HUGE difference.

And if the Accord is too steep in price for some, then just go with the Civic model. Its about $8K cheaper.

[CTL]

It gets me that they say prices are so high due to the record profits that the oil companies are getting.

WTF --- Fuckers should be giving the shit away.

[tyler.]

The honda hybrids are very nice

[crockett]

Originally Posted by King Adam

No joke .. could you imagine if 5% of the population got a hybrid car of some sort. It would make a HUGE difference.

And if the Accord is too steep in price for some, then just go with the Civic model. Its about $8K cheaper.

Hybrids aren't any better for our environment than fossil fuels.. Hybrids depend on batteries.. Batteries are very bad for our environment, so if 5% of our population had them, when it came time to dispose of the batteries we would have another environmental mess.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Splum

We if you look at it per capita Canada uses almost as much as the US. The reason why China and India are concerns is because they have 2.3 million peole combined and theya re going to be increasing their needs for oil at a much faster rate than America.

Fact is though 45% of the oil we use is for gas so if people would stop driving SUVs( WTF do 99% of people need them for? Who goes off road with their SUV? ) that would save alot. If for example everyone switched to hybrids we would save at least 5 billion barrels a day. That as much oil #3 Japan uses in a day. All that extra oil would increase supply and drive down prices. Thus better milage and lower prices and cars would cost next to nothing to fuel.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by crockett

Hybrids aren't any better for our environment than fossil fuels.. Hybrids depend on batteries.. Batteries are very bad for our environment, so if 5% of our population had them, when it came time to dispose of the batteries we would have another environmental mess.

That's BS. Does you car currently have a battery in it? Do you own remote controls, flashlights and other things that use batteries? If so, why, if you are so concerned about batteries harm to the enviroment.

[deniska]

[PimpDaddyPants]

I use that windup flashlight that uses chrystal technology thats how the world should run even cars on crystal.

[King Adam]

Originally Posted by crockett

Hybrids aren't any better for our environment than fossil fuels.. Hybrids depend on batteries.. Batteries are very bad for our environment, so if 5% of our population had them, when it came time to dispose of the batteries we would have another environmental mess.

Right now, I think oil is a bigger problem. Also, I was pretty sure they had ways of recycling batteries.

[WebairGerard]

I agree Splum. Time to stop bitching and change our ways. The Civic Hybrid also looks great and won car of the year awards.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by GatorB

China and India are concerns is because they have 2.3 million peole combined

I think you mean billion

[crockett]

Originally Posted by GatorB

That's BS. Does you car currently have a battery in it? Do you own remote controls, flashlights and other things that use batteries? If so, why, if you are so concerned about batteries harm to the enviroment.

Think about that for a minute.. you think a Hybrid is going to run off one little 12 volt battery? There will be at least 6 in every car and they are much larger than a standard battery.

Now add in the fact if we end up with 100's of thousands of these cars on the roads, it will be a issue. They are talking it could start to be a issue as soon as 5 years from now.

Read this page.. it's even a "pro" hybrid web page and they admit there will be a issue.

http://www.hybridcars.com/hybrid-battery-toxicity.html

The good part is battery companies are working on more environmentally friendly batteries but we still aren't there yet.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by deniska

Even if this was 1986 that would be a joke.

[Spunky]

Hybrids sure are looking more attractive

[kane]

Gas is so high because of two reasons. One is the increasing cost of oil and............it can be.

We are full blown fossil fuel junkies. Everyone has a car and loves to drive it. Most people have developed their lives around their cars. they could crank gas up to $10 a gallon and we would bitch and bitch about the cost, but we would drive our asses to the gas stations and fill our tanks.

We do use more oil than any other country, but the developing economies of China and India are causing a strain on the supply of oil. The OPEC nations sit around a decide how much oil they will produce. So they produce the same amount, but there is now more demand for the same amount of oil and that drives the cost up.

[CyberHustler]

actually from what i was told by my chain of command, the oil prices are going up to subliminaly force americans to support a war in iran.

[KRL]

You want to see the real dark secret of what's ahead?

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

In Denmark its $6.5-$7 per gallon.

Back in late 80's early 90's in Denmark we paid the same for a litre Americans paid for a gallon.

Fuel prices in western Europe have always been a lot more expensive than in the US so Europeans have always saved on fuel, driven fuel efficient card, opened a window instead of using AC and so on but if th fuel prices in Europe had been the same as in the US you would have seen the same mass consumption of fuel.

I'd stop driving completely before i gave up AC

[DaddyHalbucks]

Yes, the USA gasoline consumption is way out of hand.

[gangbangjoe]

lol finally america will begin to think about the gas price before buying a dodge ram with 6litres to drive to walmart

[cspdinc]

my motor home gets 9 MPG... I think I will have it forever unforunately. who'd buy it now? I'll have it till it rusts or burns to the ground...

[Elli]

I wasn't aware this was a secret?

[Morgan]

i love my new 507HP V10.

i get around 9.1MPG in the city and it's worth every penny!!!

[Jay_StandAhead]

Originally Posted by crockett

Not saying we don't need to cut back, I'm all for it.. The thing that's different about the US is our country is way bigger than just about everyone on the list. You could probably fit every one of those countries on that list inside the US boarders.

So just by the way our country is set up, it requires the average American to drive much more than most people in other countries around the world.

on that list there are 2 countries bigger than the US, and 2 very close. That list has 5 times more land than the US. See for yourself:


Russia 17,098,242
Canada 9,970,610
China 9,596,961
Brazil 8,514,877
India 3,287,263
France 551,500
Japan 377,873
Germany 357,022
South Korea 99,538

total: 49,853,886 km²


United States 9,629,091 km²


in in terms of population:

China 1,315,844,000
India 1,103,371,000
Brazil 186,405,000
Russia 143,202,000
Japan 128,085,000
Germany 82,689,000
France 60,496,000
South Korea 47,817,000
Canada 32,268,000

Total: 3,100,177,000

United States of America 298,213,000


So 3 billion people on 5x bigger land use about the same as 300 million people.

[Jay_StandAhead]

too late to edit, but precision to my post:


oil consumption as of 2003:



Japan 5,578,386
China 5,550,000
Germany 2,677,443
Russia 2,675,000
India 2,320,000
Canada 2,193,263
South Korea 2,168,128
Brazil 2,100,000
France 2,059,843

Total: 27,322,063

United States 20,033,504

So 3 billion people on 5x bigger land use about 30% more than 300 million people.

In all fairness, Canada isn't better than the US in terms of barrels/capita, but they are self-sufficient in oil so it doesn't really matter.

[SomeCreep]

It's no secret why gas prices are so high.



A man who made his millions in oil.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by crockett

Not saying we don't need to cut back, I'm all for it.. The thing that's different about the US is our country is way bigger than just about everyone on the list. You could probably fit every one of those countries on that list inside the US boarders.

You are kidding, right?

United States of America: 9,161,923 sq km * (population: 298,540,066)
China: 9,326,410 sq km * (population: 1,300,000,000+)
Brazil: 8,456,510 sq km * (population: 143,420,309)
Russia: 16,995,800 sq km *
Canada: 9,976,140 sq km (population: 32,270,500)



(*) land only.

[Pornwolf]

The longer this thread goes on the worse we look. I suggest, in the spirit of American's everywhere, that this thread be locked.


I'm off to fill up my gas tank.

You know that for example an Audi A3 1.9 Diesel get cca. 47 MPG (combined city + highway driving).. But I don't think they sell those in USA.

[jade_dragon]

why is the fuel miliage picture a joke? Ferarri and Lambo have about that in gas miliage to this day, most anything above V10 and anything with a W config gets about that in gas miliage on a good day with a tail wind under normal driving conditions.

Anyone ever heard any of the officials who said there is no shortage of oil and that no time within the next 100 years at the current rate of increase could the world even get close to consuming all the fossil fuel sources on the planet?

Does anyone have any information on the US oil reserves and if we are tapping them at all? ;) When I asked my father about it he said that it is far cheaper to use oil from other countries (makes sense if you think of it as outsourcing) and he has never seen nor heard anything about using our reserves more than the trickle we do now nor any major concerns from any of the oil companies on ever running out. He works for Chevron/Texaco and this conversation happened in front of other family members who work at Exxon/Mobile and Shell, none of them said anything contradictory.

They have even found untapped sources in "Deep Water" which was a major project pioneered by Exxon in the late 90's, they developed some super platforms that were to be used in water that no other company could even attempt to drill in because of depth. There is no shortage of domestic oil, the US just decides to use up the resources of the other countries so that we have the reserves, they could relieve us at anytime and probably only will when the market can no longer bare increase.

BTW oil companies profit way more off of non automobile fluid production, bigger money in heating oil/natural gas and the sale of petroleum products to chemical companies that produce things like plastics.