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woj 04-20-2006 11:17 AM

Fifty,..........

aimeesweet 04-20-2006 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno
Most weed is domestic.

There is a difference between hemp and weed... you can not get high from smoking hemp...

Dirty F 04-20-2006 11:18 AM

For all you stupid idiots who think weed is not doing any damage to your body i got 2 things to say to you:

1: Youre a fucking retard and
2: Read this retard:

Long Term Effects:
Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Someone who smokes 1 to 3 joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes.


Why do people who smoke weed always think they arent addicted and it isnt doing ANY harm to their body?

I dont care if you smoke pot. Smoke all you want but PLEASE stop acting as if its not bad for your body.

Cyrano 04-20-2006 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan
when i was in jr high i dont remember a single person having trouble gettins smokes.

the local corner store used to give out a small sticker to kids that they would put on their school picture card.

so that they would be able to buy smokes even underage.

ACCESS WOULD NOT BE LIMITED!!!!!

you would have everyone and their dog growing weed, it would make it WAY more available.

If the government illegalized growing marijuana (like they've done with tobacco) only licensed businesses would be able to do so, limiting access to stores for the most part, and adults willing to sell it to kids. It's not a perfect solution, but I might reduce youth usage. Eliminating misconceptions surrounding marijuana's another matter of importance.

Canibal-7 04-20-2006 11:20 AM

I got a question I always realy wanted to ask:



Like with cigarettes, can you get lung cancer from smoking lots of weed?

Cyrano 04-20-2006 11:20 AM

Franck, marijuana can be used RESPONSIBLY. Unlike tobacco, it's not physically addictive. I've not met anyone who smokes 20 joints a day.

MetaMan 04-20-2006 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by King Adam
Now I don't agree. The government would never grow low grade weed. If it was legal, there would be far more home growers than ever before. If the government wanted to sell, they would have to produce good quality shit or people would just continue to do what they do now, buy chronic through the black market. If they grew high grade stuff, people would be happy just going and buying it legally from the government.


i already stated legalization would create more grow ops.

i wouldnt even go through the govt and their bullshit taxed products.

i know most people would think the same way, i already get high grade weed, why would i want the gov't giving it to me?

Cyrano 04-20-2006 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canibal-7
I got a question I always realy wanted to ask:



Like with cigarettes, can you get lung cancer from smoking lots of weed?

Yes, marijuana smoke often contains more tar than tobacco smoke.

uno 04-20-2006 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam
Now I don't agree. The government would never grow low grade weed. If it was legal, there would be far more home growers than ever before. If the government wanted to sell, they would have to produce good quality shit or people would just continue to do what they do now, buy chronic through the black market. If they grew high grade stuff, people would be happy just going and buying it legally from the government.

As someone above stated, who said the gov't would be the ones growing it? They'd simply regulate, tax, and do quality control. It's a free market economy and the gov't growing weed would create an unfair monopoly.

Dirty F 04-20-2006 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano
Franck, marijuana can be used RESPONSIBLY. Unlike tobacco, it's not physically addictive. I've not met anyone who smokes 20 joints a day.

Its mentally addictive. And if you dont think thats the case you should visit some coffeeshops in Holland.

There are 10.000's if not more people ADDICTED to weed in Holland alone. They all talk the same way you do. "its not addicting...but please pass the joint". Whats the point if its not addicting but youre smoking 10 joints a day anyway...

Its funny how it seems that smoking joints all day long is not considered a problem because its physically not addicting.

MetaMan 04-20-2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrano
liminating misconceptions surrounding marijuana's another matter of importance.


BINGO i fully agree with this,

Franck is a dutch fool who thinks he is a scientist because he copies and pastes info out of the war on drugs handbook.

like i said it shouldnt be "ILLEGAL" it should be decriminalized.

we do that here in calagry, if you're found with a certain amount you're written up a ticket.

most of the time they will just throw it out.

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan
99% of people who smoke do not grow tabaco, 99% of people who drink do not make their own alchohol.

99% of everyone has a friend who has a friend who grows weed. last time i checked the grower doesnt check your ID at the door.

do i really need to explain these things to you? please go to google and copy and paste some info like it was your own, it should help you.

First line just said the same thing I said.

Maybe in Canada it is like that, here most people do not have such access to growers. Again if it was legal growers would not risk such issues with a legal product, just to sell some to a minor.

You need not explain anything to me, debate is perfectly fine though. Now what the fuck are you talking about or implying about going to google and using copy and paste and pretending it was my own?

Canibal-7 04-20-2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrano
Yes, marijuana smoke often contains more tar than tobacco smoke.



Is the actuall weed you're smoking or the paper it's rolled in? This may sound like a dumb question, but I really have no idea.

uno 04-20-2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aimeesweet
There is a difference between hemp and weed... you can not get high from smoking hemp...

Sorry bout that. Still half asleep and tired as hell.

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan
i know most people would think the same way, i already get high grade weed, why would i want the gov't giving it to me?

Because if you bought it from the goverment approved stores ... it would be legal. If you buy it from the black market ... it would be illegal.

I'd rather have a bad of legal weed in my pocket than a bag of illegal weed when I get approached by a cop.

Dirty F 04-20-2006 11:24 AM

Everybody who thinks that burning stuff and inhaling it isnt causing lung damage is a retard. And there seem to be an aweful lot of retards in this and other weed threads. Weed smokers are seriously some of the most stupid drug users. Its the only group of people who use drugs who always think they are not addicted and its not bad for them.

MetaMan 04-20-2006 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media
First line just said the same thing I said.

Maybe in Canada it is like that, here most people do not have such access to growers. Again if it was legal growers would not risk such issues with a legal product, just to sell some to a minor.

You need not explain anything to me, debate is perfectly fine though. Now what the fuck are you talking about or implying about going to google and using copy and paste and pretending it was my own?


sorry, i am just trying to get you a little heated, its what i do around here, don't take it personally, :winkwink: i am reading and respondong to you.

i never said weed should be illegal, i just do not think it should be legalized. i have about an HP of weed sitting in my drawer and i can smell it while i am typing.

anyway i am seriously glad i never smoked weed in jr high, because in high school i dont remember how many times i skipped class to go smoke a joint. and gauranteed if it was legal, i would have heard about it more, and more people would have had it around me.

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Its mentally addictive. And if you dont think thats the case you should visit some coffeeshops in Holland.

There are 10.000's if not more people ADDICTED to weed in Holland alone. They all talk the same way you do. "its not addicting...but please pass the joint". Whats the point if its not addicting but youre smoking 10 joints a day anyway...

Its funny how it seems that smoking joints all day long is not considered a problem because its physically not addicting.

Frank you are just wrong. I've had to quit smoking weed on mulitple occastions. I've never had a withdrawl problem from it.

And as for your health post, well anything you burn and smoke is bad for your lungs. Why do you think my ex makes me bread, salad dressing, pasta and various other yummy foods that get me high as hell without the lung damage. Just be smart how you use it and all is good.

Cyrano 04-20-2006 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Its mentally addictive. And if you dont think thats the case you should visit some coffeeshops in Holland.

There are 10.000's if not more people ADDICTED to weed in Holland alone. They all talk the same way you do. "its not addicting...but please pass the joint". Whats the point if its not addicting but youre smoking 10 joints a day anyway...

Its funny how it seems that smoking joints all day long is not considered a problem because its physically not addicting.

It is indeed mentally addictive. I've been smoking weed regularly for 6 years because I love to get high. But, if I wanted to, I could quit. It's a choice more than anything.

Secondly I should mention that marijuana is harmful only if smoked. One could easily vaporize it or ingest it.

MetaMan 04-20-2006 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam
Because if you bought it from the goverment approved stores ... it would be legal. If you buy it from the black market ... it would be illegal.

I'd rather have a bad of legal weed in my pocket than a bag of illegal weed when I get approached by a cop.


lol read your post,

how are they supposed to know? do you have to carry around a receipt saying your smokes are legal tabaco?

if it was all legal they couldnt do shit, and they would not be able to prove where you got it from.

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Its mentally addictive. And if you dont think thats the case you should visit some coffeeshops in Holland.

There are 10.000's if not more people ADDICTED to weed in Holland alone. They all talk the same way you do. "its not addicting...but please pass the joint". Whats the point if its not addicting but youre smoking 10 joints a day anyway...

Its funny how it seems that smoking joints all day long is not considered a problem because its physically not addicting.

Anyone that argues it is not potentially mentally addictive would be talking out their asses. Like any substance that produces an effect in some way shape or form it is addictive. That alone though should not be a reason to keep something illegal. The majority of medicines and legal recreational drugs are either physically or mentally addictive.

madawgz 04-20-2006 11:29 AM

legalize it all the way!

Dirty F 04-20-2006 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam
Frank you are just wrong. I've had to quit smoking weed on mulitple occastions. I've never had a withdrawl problem from it.

And as for your health post, well anything you burn and smoke is bad for your lungs. Why do you think my ex makes me bread, salad dressing, pasta and various other yummy foods that get me high as hell without the lung damage. Just be smart how you use it and all is good.


Because you had no problems quitting with it i am just wrong? Dude get a clue.

And yes everything you burn and smoke is bad for you...NOT excluding weed.

Cyrano 04-20-2006 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canibal-7
Is the actuall weed you're smoking or the paper it's rolled in? This may sound like a dumb question, but I really have no idea.

The marijuana smoke itself is harmful to your lungs. If used in moderation (couple times a week) the negative effects on your lungs are usually quite limited.

white-rob-like-whoa 04-20-2006 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Its mentally addictive. And if you dont think thats the case you should visit some coffeeshops in Holland.

There are 10.000's if not more people ADDICTED to weed in Holland alone. They all talk the same way you do. "its not addicting...but please pass the joint". Whats the point if its not addicting but youre smoking 10 joints a day anyway...

Its funny how it seems that smoking joints all day long is not considered a problem because its physically not addicting.

gretchen is just psychologically addictive...... kind of like jacking-off all day...
does that make a smut-slinger as evil as a drug dealer?

Dirty F 04-20-2006 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrano
It is indeed mentally addictive. I've been smoking weed regularly for 6 years because I love to get high. But, if I wanted to, I could quit. It's a choice more than anything.

Secondly I should mention that marijuana is harmful only if smoked. One could easily vaporize it or ingest it.


Hey, EVERY pot smoker i talk to says he could quit any day.

Im not saying you cant, its just that they all have the same story.

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Everybody who thinks that burning stuff and inhaling it isnt causing lung damage is a retard. And there seem to be an aweful lot of retards in this and other weed threads. Weed smokers are seriously some of the most stupid drug users. Its the only group of people who use drugs who always think they are not addicted and its not bad for them.

Again I doubt most users with any intellegence would argue with you that if you smoke it it is harmful to your body. Some debate can be used if the person only uses a vaporizer though.
You will find no harm to a user if that person ingests the drug though.

Dirty F 04-20-2006 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white-rob-like-whoa
gretchen is just psychologically addictive...... kind of like jacking-off all day...
does that make a smut-slinger as evil as a drug dealer?

Who is talking about evil? Smoke all you want dude, i dont give a shit. Just stop talking out of your stoned ass.

mazdaman 04-20-2006 11:32 AM

Legalise it because (over 18's)

everyone that wants it can get it

The government could make millions on a system that is virtually already in place.

Organised crime would go marginally down

It tastes nice (smells, inhales w/e the term is)

Smoking and drinking are nearly just as bad if not better and it is said that if alcohol was invented tomorrow it would be banned.

Most take it responsibly

Where I live in england it is most certainly accepted by most people.

and again its dam good shit, not the american crap, the english shit.

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan
lol read your post,

how are they supposed to know? do you have to carry around a receipt saying your smokes are legal tabaco?

if it was all legal they couldnt do shit, and they would not be able to prove where you got it from.

If the government made it legal ... it wouldn't just be legal to do whatever you want with it. There would still be laws. Laws on how much one could grow for personal use, laws on how its sold. Just like alcohol. I don't know anyone thats allowed to sell booze without a license. Shit, even owning a alcohol still is illegal.

You laugh at the receipt idea but that would be a good idea. Just like now, if you have a medical card, you are clear. If you don't, you go to jail.

And of couse there will still be people buying and selling in the black market no matter what. There are still people that make their own beer and sell it and people that make moonshine and sell it.

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan
sorry, i am just trying to get you a little heated, its what i do around here, don't take it personally, :winkwink: i am reading and respondong to you.

i never said weed should be illegal, i just do not think it should be legalized. i have about an HP of weed sitting in my drawer and i can smell it while i am typing.

anyway i am seriously glad i never smoked weed in jr high, because in high school i dont remember how many times i skipped class to go smoke a joint. and gauranteed if it was legal, i would have heard about it more, and more people would have had it around me.

Trying to get me a little heated is fine. Just do not acuse me of plagerizm in some round about way. That is akin to calling me a thief and doing that really crosses the line.

I will argue though that it should be legal. This is a topic that is near and dear to me and I do know this one inside and out.

uno 04-20-2006 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan
lol read your post,

how are they supposed to know? do you have to carry around a receipt saying your smokes are legal tabaco?

if it was all legal they couldnt do shit, and they would not be able to prove where you got it from.

I'd imagine store bought, legal weed would have better packaging and marketing than a dime or nick bag with dancing pot leaves.

uno 04-20-2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno
Legal. While I might agree with some of the secondary reasons in this thread, it all boils down to the fact that the gov't has NO RIGHT to tell a grown, consenting adult what they can or cannot do to their bodies in the privacy of their own home barring hurting someone else. The gov't making most drugs illegal is a patriarchal move. I don't need another father and I sure as fuck don't need the gov't to regulate morality. It's not their role and it never should be their role. It's not the gov'ts job to control any aspect of "morality".

I was really hoping someone would respond to this. Sigh... :helpme

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Because you had no problems quitting with it i am just wrong? Dude get a clue.

And yes everything you burn and smoke is bad for you...NOT excluding weed.

I don't know anyone that went through withdrawl when they quit. Do you, and if so, please tell them to post here. I'd love to hear it.

And read my post dude. I already agreed with you that smoking anything including weed is bad for you .. so just digest it and the problem is solved ... isnt' it?

white-rob-like-whoa 04-20-2006 11:36 AM

Franck is pissed because no one wants to get high with him.

Cyrano 04-20-2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam
If the government made it legal ... it wouldn't just be legal to do whatever you want with it. There would still be laws. Laws on how much one could grow for personal use, laws on how its sold. Just like alcohol. I don't know anyone thats allowed to sell booze without a license. Shit, even owning a alcohol still is illegal.

You laugh at the receipt idea but that would be a good idea. Just like now, if you have a medical card, you are clear. If you don't, you go to jail.

And of couse there will still be people buying and selling in the black market no matter what. There are still people that make their own beer and sell it and people that make moonshine and sell it.

Would it not make more sense to handle the marijuana industry in a similar fashion to the tobacco industry? Growth could be illegalized, use could be legalized, businesses could apply for licenses to grow and distribute marijuana, and you could pick up "rolling" marijuana at the local 7-11.

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazdaman

The government could make millions on a system that is virtually already in place.

I will say right now that the US Government makes more money from it being illegal than it ever could with it being legal.

MetaMan 04-20-2006 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media
Trying to get me a little heated is fine. Just do not acuse me of plagerizm in some round about way. That is akin to calling me a thief and doing that really crosses the line.

I will argue though that it should be legal. This is a topic that is near and dear to me and I do know this one inside and out.

i know this topic in and out also.

decriminaliztion is the way to go, hell there is an unwritten law in calgary that you're allowed 3 personal plants.

we do it here like as if you were getting a speeding ticket. its about changing cultures perspective on the topic.

Calgary already has an open mind for it.

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white-rob-like-whoa
Franck is pissed because no one wants to get high with him.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

He's so sad :(

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam
You laugh at the receipt idea but that would be a good idea. Just like now, if you have a medical card, you are clear. If you don't, you go to jail.

I wish that was true, sadly it is not. A medical card is not a get out of jail free card, it is not a "you can not be prosecuted" pass, it really is no protection at all. Trust me I have one and I faced a ten to live sentance for it.

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrano
Would it not make more sense to handle the marijuana industry in a similar fashion to the tobacco industry? Growth could be illegalized, use could be legalized, businesses could apply for licenses to grow and distribute marijuana, and you could pick up "rolling" marijuana at the local 7-11.

YES Marijuana is no worse for you than cigerattes. Less crap in joints. Shit look at the damn color of it. Tobacco is old, brown and all kinds of chemicals added to it. Weed is green, fresh and organic.

MetaMan 04-20-2006 11:40 AM

i am going to roll up a fucking canon for 420.

Dirty F 04-20-2006 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white-rob-like-whoa
Franck is pissed because no one wants to get high with him.


Like i want some drewling retards sitting next to me. I could walk across the street and legally buy better weed for 10 bucks then you probably will ever smoke in your life. No stfu and smoke some more of that mexican horseshit. Dont worry, shit isnt addicting.

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam
I don't know anyone that went through withdrawl when they quit. Do you, and if so, please tell them to post here. I'd love to hear it.

I do, though it was not as bad as watching someone break a meth habbit or something. The person gets moody, depressed, and withdrawn. These effects typically only last a few days to a week.

diesel 04-20-2006 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
For all you stupid idiots who think weed is not doing any damage to your body i got 2 things to say to you:

1: Youre a fucking retard and
2: Read this retard:

Long Term Effects:
Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Someone who smokes 1 to 3 joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes.


Why do people who smoke weed always think they arent addicted and it isnt doing ANY harm to their body?

I dont care if you smoke pot. Smoke all you want but PLEASE stop acting as if its not bad for your body.

This state has no any backup. Marijuana is illegal in most countries and there is huge lack of reasearch due to this. Here in Netherlands there were researches that report that Marijuana, when smoked without tobacco, reliefs astma attacks, reduce high blood pressure and stimulates hearth rhytm.
Increases appetite and reducing anxiety
Go figure :rasta

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media
I wish that was true, sadly it is not. A medical card is not a get out of jail free card, it is not a "you can not be prosecuted" pass, it really is no protection at all. Trust me I have one and I faced a ten to live sentance for it.

Ouch .. but isn't each state different? I'm not sure how those cards work at all.

E Guru 04-20-2006 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Adam
Well this is a long debate and I'm sure there will be mixed reactions.

My vote is for YES .. legalize it already. There are so many reasons as to why, that it makes my head spin.

1 - NOT manmade. Unlike most drugs, Marijuana comes ready to use. There is no need for man to do anything to it. Alcohol, ciggerettes, coke, LSD, crack, meth, herion are all man made.

2 - When eaten, not even bad for you. Smoking is bad in anyway, but there are no additives or preservitives, unlike ciggerettes.

3 - Government could be making a killing. Instead they would rather spend millions on stopping mexican brick weed from coming across the border. Man, if it was legalized .... there would be no such thing as mexican brick weed.

I have plenty more reasons but its time to hear some from others.

Peace, love and happiness to all !!!!

1) that means nothing

2) smoking weed is worse for you than cigs

3) if they legalize it they should allow anyone to grow it, not just the gov

After Shock Media 04-20-2006 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan
i know this topic in and out also.

decriminaliztion is the way to go, hell there is an unwritten law in calgary that you're allowed 3 personal plants.

we do it here like as if you were getting a speeding ticket. its about changing cultures perspective on the topic.

Calgary already has an open mind for it.

Decriminalization is the first step I would agree and would assist in showing that it is nowhere near the problem people claim.

King Adam 04-20-2006 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan
i know this topic in and out also.

decriminaliztion is the way to go, hell there is an unwritten law in calgary that you're allowed 3 personal plants.

we do it here like as if you were getting a speeding ticket. its about changing cultures perspective on the topic.

Calgary already has an open mind for it.

:thumbsup :thumbsup I do completly agree. If they won't make it legal at least decriminalize it.

E Guru 04-20-2006 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diesel
This state has no any backup. Marijuana is illegal in most countries and there is huge lack of reasearch due to this. Here in Netherlands there were researches that report that Marijuana, when smoked without tobacco, reliefs astma attacks, reduce high blood pressure and stimulates hearth rhytm.
Increases appetite and reducing anxiety
Go figure :rasta

Actualy, it makes anxiety worse...


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