More New Laws: Teen modeling websites to become illegal.

[Mr.Fiction]

Proposed Legislation Would Shut Down Web Sites That Charge Users to See Child Models

W A S H I N G T O N, May 7 ? Two congressmen want to outlaw Web sites that show children modeling clothes without promoting a specific product.

"These Web sites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles," Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., said Tuesday.

Foley and Rep. Nick Lampson, D-Texas, have written a bill that would make it punishable by up to 10 years in prison to operate or use an Internet pay site showing models age 16 and under if the site does not "promote products or services beyond the child."

The proposed legislation would not apply to sites that don't charge fees to see the images.

"If a child is modeling for Gap or Gucci, it's legal. If the site is selling nothing else than the child via photos or video clips, it's illegal," Foley said of the legislation.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/...0507_2034.html

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


"These Web sites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles," .......


The proposed legislation would not apply to sites that don't charge fees to see the images.

Now that's real fuckin' smart.. .. "We don't want pedophiles to have to pay, we want them to be able to see them free"...

The stupidity just keeps flowing from our oh so smart leaders...

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by Scootermuze


Now that's real fuckin' smart.. .. "We don't want pedophiles to have to pay, we want them to be able to see them free"...

The stupidity just keeps flowing from our oh so smart leaders...

Because of the upcoming fall elections, the morons are trying to write as many laws as possible, to prove that they're actually doing something.

[eroswebmaster]

This is what pisses me off...it's kinda like those assholes who keep praying at football games and when the school stops the student the student takes them to court.

What ends up happening is some poor school district ends up having to go to court and paying legal fees instead of spending that money on education.

Kind of the same deal here.

Instead of proposing legislation that will actually pass constitutional muster with the supreme court these assholes try to pass something that is clearly in violation of free speech.

So what happens? Our fucked up justice department spends money trying to shut down these kinds of sites like this and spending huge amounts of money on legal fees fighthing this b.s. instead of using it for something useful.

[UnseenWorld]

I don't even see this law as passing First Amendment muster in the Supreme Court. It's no more than political grandstanding. And all they have to do is pretend to be selling child-size bathing suits and it sounds like they still could charge admission. Big deal.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I don't even see this law as passing First Amendment muster in the Supreme Court. It's no more than political grandstanding. And all they have to do is pretend to be selling child-size bathing suits and it sounds like they still could charge admission. Big deal.

It took a porno photographer to work out in 10 seconds what your politcians clearly missed. Or even worse think the electorate is too stupid to work out for themselves.

The thong is for sale, therfore it's legal. Even though the model is 10 years old. This actually would work in favour of these sites. The law makes it all legit.

[FATPad]

I like it.

Good.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by FATPad
I like it.

Good.

You may like it...but I think you're missing the point is that it's not real...it's not going to work..it won't pass any kind of constitutional test so therefore they are wasting our time and money by not pushing laws that would really work.

[FATPad]

What's not to pass?

You can't sell admission to see children posing. Big deal.

If you have a nice inventory of child sized bathing suits and have actually taken some orders for child sized bathing suits, then you're fine.

If you're selling admission to see "13 year old Tina's super tight, nubile young body" with nothing else, you're screwed.

*shrugs*

Let em tie the CP peddlers up in court for years for all I care.

[a1ka1ine]

yeh that, the radio thing, and the domain name thing - all suck.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by FATPad
What's not to pass?

I find it sad when adult webmasters do not know what is in the American Constitution...regardless whether you live here or not since you do biz with american based porn companies (I assume) you should be aware.

We here in America have a thing called Free Speech...the way the law is written now according to the article it violates that.

No crime is being committed...nothing horrendous is being done..they are telling people they can't sell memberships to a completely legal site...that is a big violation of free speech...that is what will not pass.

It will not tie up CP peddlers in court...what it will do is actually allow them an even longer business career...why?
Because our government would rather throw up fluff laws that make them look good for a few short months rather than actually propose legislation that will work.

What will work? Hell man I don't know...but this sure isn't it.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by FATPad
What's not to pass?

You can't sell admission to see children posing. Big deal.

If you have a nice inventory of child sized bathing suits and have actually taken some orders for child sized bathing suits, then you're fine.

Also read unseens and Charly's posts because they themselves already answered this for you.

This makes it easier for them to sell items the child is wearing as "souvenirs," and makes it 100% legal.

So the new site will now have the child modeling a bikini that you can buy...not just a similar bikini...but the one she is wearing in the pic....so you see...it doesn't work...it's not well thought out.

It's a band aid on a big fucking broken arm.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


I find it sad when adult webmasters do not know what is in the American Constitution...regardless whether you live here or not since you do biz with american based porn companies (I assume) you should be aware.

We here in America have a thing called Free Speech...the way the law is written now according to the article it violates that.

No crime is being committed...nothing horrendous is being done..they are telling people they can't sell memberships to a completely legal site...that is a big violation of free speech...that is what will not pass.

It will not tie up CP peddlers in court...what it will do is actually allow them an even longer business career...why?
Because our government would rather throw up fluff laws that make them look good for a few short months rather than actually propose legislation that will work.

What will work? Hell man I don't know...but this sure isn't it.

btw, your statement "..they are telling people they can't sell memberships to a completely legal site" is wrong.

If the law passes, they won't be selling memberships to legal sites. They'll be illegal because of the law itself.

There, you really don't have a constitutional right to sell memberships to illegal sites.

Besides that, what does free speech have to do with selling children as sex objects to pedophiles? Or do you think all kinds of normal, healthy men pay $35.00 a month to see clothed 11 year olds?

I guess if you think a majority of members at Tina The 11 Year Old Sexbomb's site are people who just think Tina is a cutie and they like to see her in her jammies because she reminds them of their nieces, then I can see why you're so upset.

Otherwise, let the CP peddlers fight their own battles.

btw, can someone remind me again why the porn industry as a whole is portrayed as a bunch of CP peddlers? Does it have to do with everytime a law is passed to fight CP, our industry jumps on it and attacks it in defense of the pedophile sites?

[FATPad]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


Also read unseens and Charly's posts because they themselves already answered this for you.

This makes it easier for them to sell items the child is wearing as "souvenirs," and makes it 100% legal.

So the new site will now have the child modeling a bikini that you can buy...not just a similar bikini...but the one she is wearing in the pic....so you see...it doesn't work...it's not well thought out.

It's a band aid on a big fucking broken arm.

*shrugs*

Better than doing nothing which is what you, Unseen and Charly have recommended so far.

I'm glad the three of you aren't congressman, because nothing would ever get done to get rid of CP. The three of you would simply attack everything as unconstitutional and end up not doing a thing to get rid of CP.

[eroswebmaster]

Man you don't get this...the law WON'T PASS.
So none of it will be illegal...so you're argument is invalid.

It's not just about a free speech issue...it's about doing something that will actually work.

And regarding the free speech issue.

You should try familiarizing yourself with a few things like the Meese report and what it says about porn.

And then you will see where things like this can head.

According to Meese et.al porn is the gateway drug to all of these bad things like rape, molestation etc.

So once the camel gets it's nose into the tent and makes a perfectly legal site illegal (won't happen) but if it does..then there's no stopping it from getting it's whole body into the tent.

Next thing you know you can't use words like teen...barely legal etc in describing your sites....I doubt it will happen but if people keep buying into the hysteria that surrounds these band aid laws it just might.

[FATPad]

if you say so, man.

I've never seen people get so bunged when someone just proposes something to get rid of CP.

"I'd like to do this to get rid of CP"

"NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! our rights are being stomped, civil rights violations, it won't work, the constitution, going to shut me down, why are we doing this, what's the point, it's gonna kill us all"

"No, man, I just want to get rid of CP. CP is not good."

"But this will wreck us allllllll...stop oppressing me by trying to put CP peddlers out of business."

blah.

Relax. Your idea of doing nothing at all ever because there is some chance that someday someone might somehow possibly try to extend the law is stupid.

You guys sound like crackheads getting all wound up over CP laws.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by FATPad
if you say so, man.

I've never seen people get so bunged when someone just proposes something to get rid of CP.

"I'd like to do this to get rid of CP"

"NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! our rights are being stomped, civil rights violations, it won't work, the constitution, going to shut me down, why are we doing this, what's the point, it's gonna kill us all"

"No, man, I just want to get rid of CP. CP is not good."

"But this will wreck us allllllll...stop oppressing me by trying to put CP peddlers out of business."

blah.

Relax. Your idea of doing nothing at all ever because there is some chance that someday someone might somehow possibly try to extend the law is stupid.

You guys sound like crackheads getting all wound up over CP laws.

Fuck you ...where do I say above I don't want anything done?

I"ve stated in no uncertain terms I want them to make REAL legislation that will work...and quit wasting taxpayers time and money on bullshit laws that won't.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


Fuck you ...where do I say above I don't want anything done?

I"ve stated in no uncertain terms I want them to make REAL legislation that will work...and quit wasting taxpayers time and money on bullshit laws that won't.

Then write your congressman and make a suggestion since you're such an expert on writing laws.

Stop whining about PROPOSED laws that are at least trying to do something about CP, then crying about how it might affect your site someday.

[eroswebmaster]

Okay man buy into this bullshit law hook line and fucking sinker.

You are pathetic...you are the kind of hypocritical loser politicians target because you couldn't think your way out of a god damn wet paper bag.

You just buy into the "save the kids" bullshit rhetoric that's being spouted....along with how evil the internet is because college or university didn't quite teach you those critical thinking skills that public school doesn't teach.

Don't you get it man? This is bullshit propoganda to garner themselves attention and give them cred to ignorant people like yourself when it comes time for re-election...oh I forgot ignorant fools like you don't vote and when you do it only fucks up the system worse.

God damn I'm tired of wasting my breath on such ignorance.

[eroswebmaster]

and oh yeah...you bet I'll be calling my congressman...I'll do more than that I'll be calling the congressman from Texas who is co-authoring the bill and ask him why he doesn't come up with a law that will actually pass a constitutional test in the supreme court.

[pr0view]

just the next law delivered by the congress that will be shot dead in the supreme court... i kinda got used to it... but what you say is true - elections are up and conservative voters have to be convinced that the elected people are doing something...

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by pr0view
- elections are up and conservative voters have to be convinced that the elected people are doing something...

Exactly...and I'm tired of all the hysteria around this bullshit.

If you bring up points like this then all the little senator mccarthy wannabes come out and start calling you names and trying to associate you with cp.

It has nothing to do with me not wanting anything done...I just want something done that WILL WORK!

[FATPad]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Okay man buy into this bullshit law hook line and fucking sinker.

You are pathetic...you are the kind of hypocritical loser politicians target because you couldn't think your way out of a god damn wet paper bag.

You just buy into the "save the kids" bullshit rhetoric that's being spouted....along with how evil the internet is because college or university didn't quite teach you those critical thinking skills that public school doesn't teach.

Don't you get it man? This is bullshit propoganda to garner themselves attention and give them cred to ignorant people like yourself when it comes time for re-election...oh I forgot ignorant fools like you don't vote and when you do it only fucks up the system worse.

God damn I'm tired of wasting my breath on such ignorance.

LOL

I am now eagerly awaiting Eroswebmaster's proposed anti-CP legislation that's airtight and will remove all CP by tomorrow.

And here's a little tip for you. Most politicians only do stuff to garner themselves attention. To think otherwise is REALLY naive.

To be really honest, I don't really care why they pass laws to get rid of CP. As long as they do it. The end result is more important to me in this case than if some Congressman gets some extra airtime because he supported this.

If this passes and it makes life hell for one CP peddler, I'm happy, regardless of why it was passed and how many votes it got the people who voted for it.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by FATPad


If this passes and it makes life hell for one CP peddler, I'm happy, regardless of why it was passed and how many votes it got the people who voted for it.

Once again you just can't see the facts as they are...THIS WON'T PASS.

Even if it did it doesn't shut the sites down...it only keeps people from profitting from them.

In other words read the article...if you open the site for FREE it's okay.

"The proposed legislation would not apply to sites that don't charge fees to see the images."

Now you tell me how is this stopping CP?

[FATPad]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


Once again you just can't see the facts as they are...THIS WON'T PASS.

Even if it did it doesn't shut the sites down...it only keeps people from profitting from them.

In other words read the article...if you open the site for FREE it's okay.

"The proposed legislation would not apply to sites that don't charge fees to see the images."

Now you tell me how is this stopping CP?

Who's gonna open a CP site for free?

Okay, say you're right, and all the CP sites switch over to a free format.

Do you think that's the end of it? Congress gives up and goes home and says "We lost, we can't stop CP"?

I don't have a very high opinion of politicians. But in this case instead of jumping all over them and telling them to stop wasting my money, I'm willing to at least let them do SOMETHING. There's worse things to waste their time and my money on.

At least in this case it's for a good cause that I can actually support, even if it won't work and has to be corrected later.

Most laws get revised in some form or another. Let them start draining the profits from the CP sites, then work on the ones that do remain.

Would I rather it all be done today? Yes. Will it? No. Is this at least a start of some kind on something that I do think is a worthwhile cause? Yes.

I dunno what else to say. It's not the best thing that could happen, but it's better than nothing, and it's better than what's being done now, and it will in fact start the process of getting rid of CP. That works for me....for now.

[FATPad]

Just call me dumb. And move the edit button farther away from the quote button.

[darksoft]

IMHO that just leaves it wide open for all those cp peddling fucks... they open their sites for free and charge elsewhere because all of a sudden shit like that is suddenly legal since access to it's for free...

IF by some miniscule chance that fucked up piece of legislation came into being as a law that is.

[FATPad]

Well, it doesn't make CP legal, first of all.

What it says is you can't sell memberships to sites that feature models under 16 where the only product is the model herself.

Not sure how that suddenly gives free reign to people to post CP all over the place.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by FATPad


Who's gonna open a CP site for free?

Okay, say you're right, and all the CP sites switch over to a free format.

Do you think that's the end of it? Congress gives up and goes home and says "We lost, we can't stop CP"?

It's not CP...not even with this law.

I'm not making an opinion on it...I'm just saying that even with this law the gov. is saying that it's perfectly legal as long as you don't charge for it...and we know you couldn't do that with real cp.

So there goes that argument...

[darksoft]

Dude, read the proposed law again. It has nothing to do with stopping cp and the idiots who are trying to get this law brought into being have no fucking clue as to what they are talking about. It doesn't stop the cp peddlers, it gives them free reign.

It is, as eros said, a bullshit do-nothing law. It took less thought than the fart I let loose a few minutes ago.. in fact, I did think about the fart a bit more than those morons did about their wanna-be law.

CP needs to be stopped, period. This in no way even attempts to curtail any of it. It uses cp as their fear tool to get a bullshit law passed and keep them in office, nothing more. It doesn't address the abolishment of cp, nor provide any method of even addressing the problem of it.

[darksoft]

OK, it may not make CP legal, but it does give those who push that shit a little more latitude with what they can and cannot do. They are saying as long as you don't charge for it, it's ok. That is wrong, IMHO.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by FATPad

What it says is you can't sell memberships to sites that feature models under 16 where the only product is the model herself.

Right so what do they do...they start selling the clothes she wears in the photo shoots and makes it perfectly legal.

It's no longer promoting the model as the product.

And I think Darksoft was saying that they will just find a way to make money through other means after they open up their free site.

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by FATPad
What's not to pass?



If you're selling admission to see "13 year old Tina's super tight, nubile young body" with nothing else, you're screwed.

But if you have a free site of "13 year old Tina's super tight, nubile young body" with nothing else, then it's fine & dandy...

[chodadog]

Originally posted by Scootermuze


Now that's real fuckin' smart.. .. "We don't want pedophiles to have to pay, we want them to be able to see them free"...

The stupidity just keeps flowing from our oh so smart leaders...

The thing is this. What's the motivation for someone to put these pics up? He's obviously targetting the peadophile market. Especially when you consider the number of these sites that advertise on adult only sites.

Now, take away their incentive to have some sick bastard paying 30 bucks a month to see some 14 year old in a bikini. Why would they have the site up?

If you think about the law, the only sites that would be able to survive such legislation, would be <b>truely</b> legit sites. A site that is actually selling the clothes a girl is wearing, would still remain succsesful. Why? They're still going to have the same visitors. People interested in buying bikinis. Sure, you can't really stop a peadophile going to one of these sites and jerking off, but you can't stop them buying a magazine with a young model in them either.

Also, you don't have the sickening notion that the man is paying upwards of 30 US dollars per month to see her. Nobody will be making a quick buck from peddling the girl as a sex object. The site will have no reason to market their clothing site to adults, because they will have no potential to earn money from them. I doubt the guy is going to want to buy the sweater she's wearing.

Point is, if this legislation is passed, sites that were displaying girls in a sexual manner that are underage, would have no financial incentive to actually stay up.

[Paul Markham]

I love it when webmasters try to talk about the law.

It usually gets into a pissing competition.

The thing is that if you have elections coming up be ready fot politicians to look for anything that will get them noticed. They have been invisable for 3 years but now need to be noticed.

The idea to ban CP sites is stupid, either the politician that said it knows this and thinks the electorate is too stupid or he does not and he ids stupid. Either way he loses my vote.

[BVF]

quit wasting time trying to explain to a fuckin canadian the ways of american free speech. let the canadians and europeans sit on the sidelines as usual and just spectate what goes on here. It's a fucking waste discussing domestic issues with foreigners

[FATPad]

Originally posted by BVF
quit wasting time trying to explain to a fuckin canadian the ways of american free speech. let the canadians and europeans sit on the sidelines as usual and just spectate what goes on here. It's a fucking waste discussing domestic issues with foreigners

LOL

The force is strong in this one.

[Dax]

This got stupid.. and repetetive...

Saying the same shit over and over and over...

[steffie]

Brain Food. I know everybody wants those guys gone who like little girls and so do I, However!!! read this article and make sure your teen sites are not in danger of falling into that loop.
http://www.reuters.com/news_article....StoryID=930603

Uhm, buying all teensites before they are worthless

[Platinum Cherry]

Every little bit helps! Those fuckers are out there trying to attract pedophiles regardless if they are Gap Gucci or free.

There is enough shit going on, who the fuck is interested in child models anyways? Some sicko creep bastard(s) that's who!

It should not be promoted at all BAN all the child model sites..
Profit or non Profit!

And the blast those fuckers to HELL!!

my

[steffie]

bye bye http://www.models.com
our neighbors daughter is under 18, has done runway and been voted Junior Miss in our area. She has an ad in models.com. Well uhm.. its a members only site. Even the model has to pay to get her portfolio listed.
If the law passes it will make Models.com illegal or at least they have to remove all the teens under 18.
I bet they are watching really really closely. They are one of the largest Model sites on the net.
So far Models.com has actually got my neighbors kid some jobs, and I really doubt that models.com is owned by CP.