Is the govt. really shutting down internet radio on the 21st? - GoFuckYourself.com

TheFLY · 05-09-2002, 12:18 AM

I love internet radio...

mostly because i don't like searching for songs -- I just like to listen to a certain genre of music when I'm in a certain mood -- I usually hit up shoutcast.com -- but now some of the stations are saying they will be shut down by new laws... I faxed my congress people via w/ web form at somafm.com -- anyway what's the deal...?

Amputate Your Head · 05-09-2002, 12:20 AM

don't see how they can... any fool can set up a broadcast with a few pieces of software and a microphone.... what are they gonna do? Go door to door?

chodadog · 05-09-2002, 12:23 AM

What Amp said.

Also, does that extend to AM/FM Stations that simulcast online? Most major stations do that nowadays. Anyone know if they're also affected?

Amputate Your Head · 05-09-2002, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
What Amp said.

Also, does that extend to AM/FM Stations that simulcast online? Most major stations do that nowadays. Anyone know if they're also affected?

don't think so... was listening to my station here today for a while, and I was reading there mile long disclaimer/terms page and it was saying they can;t broadcast their commercial spots across the Net so you may hear moments of silence when listening to the webcast.... but I think that the big dog commercial stations will be just fine.

TheFLY · 05-09-2002, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
don't see how they can... any fool can set up a broadcast with a few pieces of software and a microphone.... what are they gonna do? Go door to door?

Umm a few pieces of software? But these stations are streaming hundreds of users simultaneously at 128kbps/second... seems like a lot of bandwidth to me -- you cant just host a radio station like that off your home DSL line...

clickpimp · 05-09-2002, 12:27 AM

Just broadcast from Canada.

TheFLY · 05-09-2002, 12:28 AM

go to shoutcast.com -- you'll see what I'm talking about...
i choose a station and no commercials and no silence -- it's like having my own personal DJ 24/7

chodadog · 05-09-2002, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

don't think so... was listening to my station here today for a while, and I was reading there mile long disclaimer/terms page and it was saying they can;t broadcast their commercial spots across the Net so you may hear moments of silence when listening to the webcast.... but I think that the big dog commercial stations will be just fine.

Bah! the stations here broadcast their damn commercials!
But yeah, that's good news about the bigger stations. Here in Australia, online is the only way to hear Howard Stern every day. hehehe. Actually, haven't listened to it for quite some time now

Amputate Your Head · 05-09-2002, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Umm a few pieces of software? But these stations are streaming hundreds of users simultaneously at 128kbps/second... seems like a lot of bandwidth to me -- you cant just host a radio station like that off your home DSL line...

actually yes, you can.... and many do.... especially on Shoutcast. The bulk of Internet radio today is people broadcasting through stuff like Shoutcast right from there cable modem. BUT... how many of those does anyone ever listen to other than their circle of friends? Probly not many, and if so, probly not for very long..... not normally a big drain on resources. The larger commercial stations obviously have more than just a few pieces of software for their webcasts, but that's all beside the point..... the point is, how the hell can the government shut down Internet radio when ANYONE with a broadband connection can broadcast?

They can't. If they shut down the big players, a million more home stations will pop up the next day..... look at Napster.... did mp3 trading stop when they shut down Napster? Hell no.

clickpimp · 05-09-2002, 12:37 AM

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GTS Mark · 05-09-2002, 12:40 AM

LOL!

chodadog · 05-09-2002, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by DrinkingHard

HAHAHAH

oscer · 05-09-2002, 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Umm a few pieces of software? But these stations are streaming hundreds of users simultaneously at 128kbps/second... seems like a lot of bandwidth to me -- you cant just host a radio station like that off your home DSL line...

It works out to be about 12.8 people constant thats equal to 10 megs of bandwith

clickpimp · 05-09-2002, 12:52 AM

Perspective: If regular broadcast radio stations were required to pay the same royalty rate that the CARP (Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panels) has proposed for Webcasters, what would they have to pay per year?

In the US broadcast radio has an audience (Mon-Sun 6A-12M) of about 40,000,000 people. I believe about 75% of those people are listening to music stations as opposed to news and talk. At 18 hours per day, 365 days per year, and 12 songs per hour, that's 2.365 trillion songs per year (not even counting overnights).

At CARP's recommended rate for Webcasts of $.0014 per song, that would add up to an annual royalty payment from radio to the RIAA of $3.3 billion!

+ $3,299,999,999.08

Terenzo · 05-09-2002, 12:53 AM

clickpimp · 05-09-2002, 12:55 AM

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LoveAsianChicks · 05-09-2002, 01:19 AM

The law is unfair to force many people to close down.
The only solution is setup outside of America.

Try Canada or overseas.

mGreg · 05-09-2002, 02:45 AM

bwahaha, the comic rocks!!

VeNoM · 05-09-2002, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
go to shoutcast.com -- you'll see what I'm talking about...
i choose a station and no commercials and no silence -- it's like having my own personal DJ 24/7

yes that is the whole point.....why do you think people pay good money for cable/dsl connections jesus christ the way i see it we should be able to plug into any godamn fucking station or channel we want as long as they are part of the time warner network ! I mean fuck - my 40 extra dollars a month should get me something besides shitty ass fucked up games that never work once you download them...i mean fuck you paid for the time it took to sit there and wait for the damn thing to download....only to be told that o no hehehe (in standard girlish hehehehehe fagggy fashion) that no u cant use your cable connection to its fullest extent - i mean wtf - i have payed for plenty of sopranos episodes.....just like the next avg joe that loves the show - i mean fuck should the show have to bend over backwords just for having people show up on there own show????HELLNO is the answer! no body or no one or no show should have to go through that kind fo racism
u wonder racism when im a full grown white boy
but you know who i fear for - its the fellow walking down the street to his local porn shop lookking for a little "relief" a little relaxtion from his day to day routin andn is also looking for a businesss parnter
so u can see how this interested me
i have no real education other than a few years of college
so i quickly started feeling consumed
but
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a1ka1ine · 05-09-2002, 03:26 AM

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Originally posted by clickpimp
Just broadcast from Canada.

or anywhere else in the world...

if your american, just get hitched with a streaming provider in another country, and everything should be fine if its not on US soil.

besides... i dont think this law will get passed, and if it does then the US is going to be losing money from people buying stuff, moving operations overseas..

VeNoM · 05-09-2002, 03:28 AM

and yesssssssssssssssss im am still shrooming my fucking ass off.........heavily.....i will be awake shrooming when many of you are going to work.......sleep is for fucking pussies anyways........

wired1 · 05-09-2002, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by a1ka1ine

or anywhere else in the world...

if your american, just get hitched with a streaming provider in another country, and everything should be fine if its not on US soil.

besides... i dont think this law will get passed, and if it does then the US is going to be losing money from people buying stuff, moving operations overseas..

Sounds good in theory but I dont think it will work if you live in the US. The same applies to gameing sites as far as I know. As an american living on US soil, you can be prosecuted for breaking U.S. law no matter where your server is...

Oh BTW, these guys have some some pretty cool streaming tools http://www.oddsock.org/

a1ka1ine · 05-09-2002, 04:18 AM

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Originally posted by wired1

As an american living on US soil, you can be prosecuted for breaking U.S. law no matter where your server is...

really? thats a shame. what if i had a dual citizenship UK/USA, i wonder if i could get away with that if I was in the US =)

hmm... rules, rules, rules.

E-van · 05-09-2002, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by a1ka1ine

really? thats a shame. what if i had a dual citizenship UK/USA, i wonder if i could get away with that if I was in the US =)

hmm... rules, rules, rules.

It doesn't matter, if you're breaking a country's law, and you reside in that country, it doesn't matter your citizenship, you'll be arrested. If you live in another country, you might be declared a fugitive or wanted in the US, and the US might ask for an extradition, even to the country you're a citizen of, although that's highly unlikely to happen for a case like this. But be sure that the moment you step into US soil, you'll be arrested and taken to court. anyone remember that Russian Programmer that Adobe got to jail? he was just attending a conference in Vegas and got arrested for DMCA violations which where completely legal in Russia.

omega · 05-09-2002, 08:45 AM

TheFLY · 05-09-2002, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

actually yes, you can.... and many do.... especially on Shoutcast. The bulk of Internet radio today is people broadcasting through stuff like Shoutcast right from there cable modem.

yes that was my point... it takes a system like Shoutcast for someone like myself to be able to broadcast to more than a few friends... so Shoutcast would either be shut down or more likely (since they don't have any visible news on their site about this) they will figure out how to make a profit from all of this... ?

Internet radio always fasinated me -- because I'm thinking to myself damn I can stream 128k all fucking day long (and I do) -- that's over 11gigs/day for free that I'm listening to! If you take a large station that has 1500 users on it all the time you're talking 16,500 GIGS/DAY! With zero ads!? Hell yeah I'm pinching myself to have such a sweet deal on the user end.

TheFLY · 05-09-2002, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by clickpimp
monkeyradio.org

commercial-free downtempo chill

Yeah monkeyradio is one of my faves -- some others I like are bassdrive (drum and bass = faster), flaresound, and groove salad -- every once and a while they all play something lame and I just switch channels ;)

for some reason I can't handle that "high energy" trance shit -- but that digitally imported shit seems to always be at #1 -- I don't know how people can listen to that stuff at home for more than a few minutes hehe...

TheFLY · 05-09-2002, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Internet radio always fasinated me -- because I'm thinking to myself damn I can stream 128k all fucking day long (and I do) -- that's over 11gigs/day for free that I'm listening to! If you take a large station that has 1500 users on it all the time you're talking 16,500 GIGS/DAY! With zero ads!? Hell yeah I'm pinching myself to have such a sweet deal on the user end.

Ok I may have my math wrong... I calculated 128KBps not 128kbps -- so just divide by 8 bits, correct? So the large stations are pusing 2000+ gigs/day and so that is still a lot of money to be spending for a free service.

LoveAsianChicks · 05-09-2002, 09:38 AM

Then just move out of America???
If I made a living doing a little internet radio show and the government wanted to take that away from me, I would leave the country.

Amputate Your Head · 05-09-2002, 09:48 AM

I'm tellin' ya... Internet radio is goin nowhere. Same as shutting down Napster not only didn't stop mp3 trading, but I think it actually INCREASED it..... all the publicity and everything swirling around Napster pushed alot of new solutions to the mp3 end user problem into the world.

The same thing happened when the governemtn tried to control all encryption.... look at us now. We got some heavy duty unbreakable shit out there because of good ol' Uncle Sam's greediness & paranoia.

And the same thing will apply to Internet radio if they try to shut it down.... there will be home spun Internet radio stations popping up everywhere. And no... you don't NEED Shoutcast to broadcast, it just makes it really close to plug & play for the mindless masses.

TheFLY · 05-09-2002, 09:54 AM

ok i feel better now Amp ;)

i just hope I get to keep my free shoutcast --

Amputate Your Head · 05-09-2002, 10:04 AM

there's another huge service similar to shoutcast.... Live something..... lemme find it...

Amputate Your Head · 05-09-2002, 10:16 AM

http://www.live365.com

clickpimp · 05-09-2002, 10:28 AM

live365 is ok ... lots more advertising, and it runs on cogent ... about 850Mbps ... as if you cared.

i'm just impressed when i know something ... anything

Amputate Your Head · 05-09-2002, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by clickpimp
live365 is ok ... lots more advertising, and it runs on cogent ... about 850Mbps ... as if you cared.

good to know.... I used them for a while early last year, and tried Shoutcast for a while afterwards... then I shut my station down. But I did find that Shoutcast seemed to be faster and more reliable.... but I don't know if Live was using cogent last year or not..... been outta the webcasting loop for a while here...

Ludedude · 05-09-2002, 10:34 AM

ROFLMAO!! DH, that cartoon was the shit bro

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clickpimp Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,159	Perspective: If regular broadcast radio stations were required to pay the same royalty rate that the CARP (Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panels) has proposed for Webcasters, what would they have to pay per year? In the US broadcast radio has an audience (Mon-Sun 6A-12M) of about 40,000,000 people. I believe about 75% of those people are listening to music stations as opposed to news and talk. At 18 hours per day, 365 days per year, and 12 songs per hour, that's 2.365 trillion songs per year (not even counting overnights). At CARP's recommended rate for Webcasts of $.0014 per song, that would add up to an annual royalty payment from radio to the RIAA of $3.3 billion! + $3,299,999,999.08 __________________ eventually, earth will lose. enjoy it while it lasts.

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TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Is the govt. really shutting down internet radio on the 21st? I love internet radio... mostly because i don't like searching for songs -- I just like to listen to a certain genre of music when I'm in a certain mood -- I usually hit up shoutcast.com -- but now some of the stations are saying they will be shut down by new laws... I faxed my congress people via w/ web form at somafm.com -- anyway what's the deal...? Last edited by TheFLY; 05-09-2002 at 12:20 AM..

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Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	don't see how they can... any fool can set up a broadcast with a few pieces of software and a microphone.... what are they gonna do? Go door to door?

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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	What Amp said. Also, does that extend to AM/FM Stations that simulcast online? Most major stations do that nowadays. Anyone know if they're also affected?

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TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	go to shoutcast.com -- you'll see what I'm talking about... i choose a station and no commercials and no silence -- it's like having my own personal DJ 24/7

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LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	The law is unfair to force many people to close down. The only solution is setup outside of America. Try Canada or overseas.

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LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	Then just move out of America??? If I made a living doing a little internet radio show and the government wanted to take that away from me, I would leave the country.

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Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I'm tellin' ya... Internet radio is goin nowhere. Same as shutting down Napster not only didn't stop mp3 trading, but I think it actually INCREASED it..... all the publicity and everything swirling around Napster pushed alot of new solutions to the mp3 end user problem into the world. The same thing happened when the governemtn tried to control all encryption.... look at us now. We got some heavy duty unbreakable shit out there because of good ol' Uncle Sam's greediness & paranoia. And the same thing will apply to Internet radio if they try to shut it down.... there will be home spun Internet radio stations popping up everywhere. And no... you don't NEED Shoutcast to broadcast, it just makes it really close to plug & play for the mindless masses. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

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TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	ok i feel better now Amp ;) i just hope I get to keep my free shoutcast --

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Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	there's another huge service similar to shoutcast.... Live something..... lemme find it...

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