Nastydollars - 10+sales per day affiliates

[SmokeyTheBear]

I have had this sneaking suspicion the amount of ref code "rewriting" thats been going on has been increasing..

If you dont know what this is , basically a toolbar or third party program that rewrites the html of the page your viewing, searching for ref codes for certain sites and replacing them with their own.

I might be jumping to conclusions early but after redoing my linkcodes to php redirects my ratio's have improved dramatically.

This makes sense and doesnt make sense at the same time.. if a program is rewriting ref codes , i would think even with a php redirect it would simply rewrite the ref code on the nastydollars page defeating my method of counteracting it.. ( unless i was sending hits directly to the join page ) but it seems to work. only thing i can think of is these ref code rewriting cretins dont rewrite ref codes on the site because it would be spotted easier by the program owners..

anyways just thought i would share, anyone with any other info they want to share on defeating these types of programs or any experience with them i would be glad to hear from..

[SmokeyTheBear]

of course removing direct links to the site also decreases your chances of your ref code getting in the serp's , but i think the search engines are slowly eliminating ref code links on se's listings anyways it seems

[Jay_StandAhead]

I don't know anything about coding, but didn't you just let those spyware people know that they're not replacing the codes when it goes through a php redirect? Can't they figure out how to do it?

Scary shit.

[V_RocKs]

Paranoia will destroy yaaaaaaaa!

[SmokeyTheBear]

btw the reason i mentioned 10+ day affiliates is if there are any other 10+ per day affiliates that have steady traffic going through a few urls , they can try this method and see if it helps.. under 10 a day its a bit harder to figure out the results.. but cant hurt to try anyways..

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I have had this sneaking suspicion the amount of ref code "rewriting" thats been going on has been increasing..

If you dont know what this is , basically a toolbar or third party program that rewrites the html of the page your viewing, searching for ref codes for certain sites and replacing them with their own.

I might be jumping to conclusions early but after redoing my linkcodes to php redirects my ratio's have improved dramatically.

This makes sense and doesnt make sense at the same time.. if a program is rewriting ref codes , i would think even with a php redirect it would simply rewrite the ref code on the nastydollars page defeating my method of counteracting it.. ( unless i was sending hits directly to the join page ) but it seems to work. only thing i can think of is these ref code rewriting cretins dont rewrite ref codes on the site because it would be spotted easier by the program owners..

anyways just thought i would share, anyone with any other info they want to share on defeating these types of programs or any experience with them i would be glad to hear from..

Hey Smokey, do you know if it's possible for a third party counter (javascript counters) to steal signups from webmasters by caching cookies on the surfers system?

[Pornwolf]

This would seriously suck for a LOT of people.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Jay[neX]

I don't know anything about coding, but didn't you just let those spyware people know that they're not replacing the codes when it goes through a php redirect? Can't they figure out how to do it?

Scary shit.

well by my theory their program would simply rewrite the code on the nastydollars page too so it shouldnt work , but it seems to be working for me.

If they do it too obviously , the program owner will cut them off and it would hurt them so i dont think its going to help them much to know..

I figure that they dont rewrite the codes when its on the actual site because then they would never get a referring url other than itself..

[BSleazy]

SmokeyTheBear and WiredGuy would make a good team.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Hey Smokey, do you know if it's possible for a third party counter (javascript counters) to steal signups from webmasters by caching cookies on the surfers system?

heres what i do know about that so far.. its being done so it must work , thats all i can say for now. i caught on to this while back and have been curious about it myself so ill let you know when i understand it a bit better

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

This would seriously suck for a LOT of people.

well we KNOW it happens , just unsure of on what scale. i can tell you third party toolbar add-ons seem to be on the increase when i look in my logs. most notebale being "funwebproducts" even alot of gfy surfers with that one

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

most notebale being "funwebproducts" even alot of gfy surfers with that one

For mywebsearch to do such a thing would be funny... But after all of the negative publicity over spyware and the size of the company, I doubt they'd even consider it.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

For mywebsearch to do such a thing would be funny... But after all of the negative publicity over spyware and the size of the company, I doubt they'd even consider it.

no they arent doing it im just saying that in general theres an increase in third party toolbars.. i doubt any ref rewriting toolbars dont leave much evidence behind

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

heres what i do know about that so far.. its being done so it must work , thats all i can say for now. i caught on to this while back and have been curious about it myself so ill let you know when i understand it a bit better

Here's what I dont understand... Lets say you have a nastydollar gallery with a 3rd party counter. Lets say the third party counter caches a cookie with their nastydollar code in an attempt to steal the webmaster's signup. Well once the surfer clicks the webmaster's link on the gallery, wouldnt that third party cookie get overwritten anyway?

[aico]

I don't know who you are, but if we ever meet, I am buying you a fucking Magnifying Glass, a pipe, and a Sherlock Holmes hat.

[Trax]

your theory is very weak
why would they want to change your refcode on your site and not simply on the tour / join page of the paysite itself?

[jollyperv]

If I ever caught anyone doing this I would find them and cut their fucking balls off.

[Remastered]

Originally Posted by jollyperv

If I ever caught anyone doing this I would find them and cut their fucking balls off.

You wouldn't "find" them because they actually make money and don't live in your trailer park, idgit.

[jollyperv]

Originally Posted by Remastered

You wouldn't "find" them because they actually make money and don't live in your trailer park, idgit.

Haha, you fucking noob pussy. They aren't "making" money, they're fucking stealing it. Don't be a faggot.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Trax

your theory is very weak
why would they want to change your refcode on your site and not simply on the tour / join page of the paysite itself?

i explained that above. you would never get a referring hit.. the referring hit would always come from someone else's ref code.. ie the guy would be getting traffic from nowhere , and that would look suspicious , right..
like wouldnt it say in the stats
5000 - raw - 0 unique

[inthedark]

how much better have the ratios gotten and over what period?

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I have had this sneaking suspicion the amount of ref code "rewriting" thats been going on has been increasing..

If you dont know what this is , basically a toolbar or third party program that rewrites the html of the page your viewing, searching for ref codes for certain sites and replacing them with their own.

I might be jumping to conclusions early but after redoing my linkcodes to php redirects my ratio's have improved dramatically.

This makes sense and doesnt make sense at the same time.. if a program is rewriting ref codes , i would think even with a php redirect it would simply rewrite the ref code on the nastydollars page defeating my method of counteracting it.. ( unless i was sending hits directly to the join page ) but it seems to work. only thing i can think of is these ref code rewriting cretins dont rewrite ref codes on the site because it would be spotted easier by the program owners..

anyways just thought i would share, anyone with any other info they want to share on defeating these types of programs or any experience with them i would be glad to hear from..

There is a lot of spyware that can do shit like that. As much as people bitch about the NATS codes...the encrytion is really a nice thing. Then that spyware can find common strings to replace.

[wedouglas]

smokey, can you hit me up on ICQ? 329092769

[Troels]

I heard that's how thehun got really big. In the early days of the java shit installs.

The gamma cash toolbar I see advertised - is that an aggressive one?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

There is a lot of spyware that can do shit like that. As much as people bitch about the NATS codes...the encrytion is really a nice thing. Then that spyware can find common strings to replace.

true but those also have their own inherent problems and the nats code is easily decrypted-reencrypted

Much easier for sponsors to monitor their affiliates for sites sending sales from other people referring url's ( i.e. if a sale comes from another affiliates url , that should raise some red flags )

i really dont know how some of the bigger programs dont notice it.. there like 50 password sites that all sell traffic under the same ref code to bangbros , should be easy as all hell to spot..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Troels

I heard that's how thehun got really big. In the early days of the java shit installs.

The gamma cash toolbar I see advertised - is that an aggressive one?

to be honest i havent gone over it with a fine tooth comb , but gammacash is good people , and that would be any affiliates programs ( bullet to the head )

[BlackCrayon]

somehow i doubt the big programs would really care, they still get the sale either way. its a good idea though, i think im gonna have to implement it because i can't stand the thought of some fuckhead stealing my signups but eventually they'll find ways around it and we'll have to do something else.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

to be honest i havent gone over it with a fine tooth comb , but gammacash is good people , and that would be any affiliates programs ( bullet to the head )

edit, don't wanna post something im not 100% sure of...

[luv$]

For some reason this thread depresses the shit out of me.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Remastered

You wouldn't "find" them because they actually make money and don't live in your trailer park, idgit.

hey fake nick. yeah, its stealing. its no different than working in a commission based electronics store and erasing others names next to their commissions and inserting your own, idgit.

[TheSenator]

I have been promoting FTVCash.com consistently for a couple of months.
How easy is it to rewrite the webmaster URL without it getting tracked by CCBill?

I hate this shit. I try not to think about it but FUCK! FUCKing scammers out there!

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by luv$

For some reason this thread depresses the shit out of me.

same here

[JOKER]

It depends how the BHO scans for the affiliate ID's .

If the one that is targetting you is scanning the current page for a hrefs with a specific parameter attached you might be lucky and skip that, as you dont have those parameters in your links.

Either way, most likely you just gave them the idea to update their code and pull a new version

Sorry, can't get any more specific into it.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

somehow i doubt the big programs would really care, they still get the sale either way. its a good idea though, i think im gonna have to implement it because i can't stand the thought of some fuckhead stealing my signups but eventually they'll find ways around it and we'll have to do something else.

they should care.. because hard working affiliates who actually promote the product see declining ratio's and switch to newer sponsor that arent getting switched and notice better ratio's , thus the scammer doesnt have any traffic to steal from.. they will be left with only affiliates that dont actually promote the product , they just skim from others. if theres nobody to skim from = no sales

[SmokeyTheBear]

btw heres the simple code for that

say you normally send traffic to http://cumfiesta.com/?id=yourid

now you send it to http://yoursite.com/cumfiesta/index.php

in that php file you put the real link code like

<?php
header("Location: http://cumfiesta.com/?id=yourid");
?>

[tradermcduck]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

they should care.. because hard working affiliates who actually promote the product see declining ratio's and switch to newer sponsor that arent getting switched and notice better ratio's , thus the scammer doesnt have any traffic to steal from.. they will be left with only affiliates that dont actually promote the product , they just skim from others. if theres nobody to skim from = no sales

excellent summary ... sponsors read this!

[Trixxxia]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

btw heres the simple code for that

say you normally send traffic to http://cumfiesta.com/?id=yourid

now you send it to http://yoursite.com/cumfiesta/index.php

in that php file you put the real link code like

<?php
header("Location: http://cumfiesta.com/?id=yourid");
?>

heheh good thing I read to the end, was going to hit you up for your help
but I have a little more difficult question - can I bug ya a sec and pick your brain?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by tradermcduck

excellent summary ... sponsors read this!

this doesnt just apply to scammers either..

this new practise of yahoo selling out its serp's to the highest bidder will lead to the same thing, seo people will no longer push straight ref codes to paysites , thus those sites wont get listed as high in the serp's anymore and they just killed their se traffic that was being provided by affiliates..

Everyone has the right to make a buck , but when affiliates are sending traffic but dont own a site, worries me of the future of that program

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

they should care.. because hard working affiliates who actually promote the product see declining ratio's and switch to newer sponsor that arent getting switched and notice better ratio's , thus the scammer doesnt have any traffic to steal from.. they will be left with only affiliates that dont actually promote the product , they just skim from others. if theres nobody to skim from = no sales

good point. just seems that the big programs aren't always that pro-active and wait until it starts effecting their bottom line before they do anything about it. hopefully im wrong.

[SmokeyTheBear]

[Pornwolf]

That pic reminds me of her in South Park

[Azlord]

Smokey, you are crazy smart. I always read your posts. Most of the time I am amazed. BTW, have you heard from HardLinks in a while? He just dissappeared!

[Wiggles]

mediatickets was big on doing that recoding.

[kektex]

I remember a thread about a month ago about a guy looking for installers.
I also remember a number of people jumping in the thread and asking for more information.Some webmasters don`t care if they fuck the rest of us as long as they can make a quick buck.
I`m not going to name anyone, you pick the names out of the thread and draw your conclusions:
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/595595-fucking-fat-installs.html

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Here's what I dont understand... Lets say you have a nastydollar gallery with a 3rd party counter. Lets say the third party counter caches a cookie with their nastydollar code in an attempt to steal the webmaster's signup. Well once the surfer clicks the webmaster's link on the gallery, wouldnt that third party cookie get overwritten anyway?

Unless the guy comes back later to the site and doesnt click on the join link... instead he types-in the site?

[Love Sex]

smokery did you try this with any other sponsers too?

[Tom_PM]

I've been using PHP jump pages for a couple of years now. But I dont promote em really so I couldnt help with the 10+ thing.

It's very convenient to be able to quickly change links if you use a jump page and link to that. Such as when globill went out, I just edited the jump page to a new location ASAP and swapped out banners afterwards since that takes more time.

So, decent advice regardless.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Love Sex

smokery did you try this with any other sponsers too?

not yet but im switching most of them as we speak

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I've been using PHP jump pages for a couple of years now. But I dont promote em really so I couldnt help with the 10+ thing.

It's very convenient to be able to quickly change links if you use a jump page and link to that. Such as when globill went out, I just edited the jump page to a new location ASAP and swapped out banners afterwards since that takes more time.

So, decent advice regardless.

I use the same, but for SEO reasons. It seems, now that you guys mention it, top convertions come from these "jump" pages and not regular linkcodes.

[ZEK]

We should all stick up links to malware removers on our sites - im going to.
(not the type that clean cookies tho)