A United Arab States coming soon?

[pr0]

Seems to me that leaving Iraq in civil war would open the door for Iran & other countries to offer to "solve all the problems" in the middle east, by becoming a unified nation.

I remember a guy i worked with from over there....back when i was a young teenager, his exact words were...

"The middle east divided is weak, but if we were to ever unite, we would be our own super power"

Yea it creeped me out too...& this was way pre 9/11 lol

And its got me thinking lately....as things get worse in the middle east, people will be looking for solutions. And a politically/relegiously strong nation like Iran might very well have what it takes to envision such a united continent.

Perhaps thats why we're in Iraq....not just the oil. But trying to continue the chaos, so that there is no possibility of unity.

[CyberHustler]

Yeah........ The United States of the Earth

[pr0]

Originally Posted by BuySexProducts

Yeah........

If you don't have anything interesting to add to a conversation, kindly shut the fuck up.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by pr0

If you don't have anything interesting to add to a conversation, kindly shut the fuck up.

damn homie... slow your reply speed down there, TIGER!

[SomeCreep]

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by pr0

Seems to me that leaving Iraq in civil war would open the door for Iran & other countries to offer to "solve all the problems" in the middle east, by becoming a unified nation.

I remember a guy i worked with from over there....back when i was a young teenager, his exact words were...

"The middle east divided is weak, but if we were to ever unite, we would be our own super power"

Yea it creeped me out too...& this was way pre 9/11 lol

And its got me thinking lately....as things get worse in the middle east, people will be looking for solutions. And a politically/relegiously strong nation like Iran might very well have what it takes to envision such a united continent.

Perhaps thats why we're in Iraq....not just the oil. But trying to continue the chaos, so that there is no possibility of unity.

You know, they are not the ones you need to be afraid of.

[crockett]

Shit those fuckers all hate each other over there.. Half of them can't live with each other in their own damn countries and you think they would do better all uniting.

Would never happen in a million years..

[Manowar]

yeah, they all despise each other

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pr0

Seems to me that leaving Iraq in civil war would open the door for Iran & other countries to offer to "solve all the problems" in the middle east, by becoming a unified nation.

I remember a guy i worked with from over there....back when i was a young teenager, his exact words were...

"The middle east divided is weak, but if we were to ever unite, we would be our own super power"

Yea it creeped me out too...& this was way pre 9/11 lol

And its got me thinking lately....as things get worse in the middle east, people will be looking for solutions. And a politically/relegiously strong nation like Iran might very well have what it takes to envision such a united continent.

Perhaps thats why we're in Iraq....not just the oil. But trying to continue the chaos, so that there is no possibility of unity.

Don't doubt the reasons for Iraq are to cause chaos and "confusion".

There are also number of folks within the US government who clearly have this objective in mind - and definately are not just thinking about the welfare of the US.

Any nation/continent who regard themselves as the top dog in the eating chain will always fear another encroaching and use all any any methods to kill the opponent off. This ranges from actual "wars", the creation of external "threats" where folks think they need protection, to just basic propaganda.

Only my worth, but suspect time will tell that the US has just been used to do the dirty work and get totally screwed in many ways in the process - but that does not matter in the overall picture envisaged by some.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by kandah

You know, they are not the ones you need to be afraid of.

Ya guessed!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by crockett

Shit those fuckers all hate each other over there.. Half of them can't live with each other in their own damn countries and you think they would do better all uniting.

Would never happen in a million years..

I don't agrre with " shit all those fuckers " but do with the rest of your post.
Look now at Iraq : they are arguing about the formation of the government ( rememer the blue fingers of december ..) ...

If you have a chance, wartch Lawrence of Arabia ... Aside from seing the game of the UK ( the dominant power at the time ), you will see when Lawrence tries to form a gov with all the heads of the tribes ... it's funny and sad at the same time .. they run clans, not nations ...

[Webby]

By the way.... one of those "advisors" (read long term stategists) within the US govt actually admitted in an interview recently that his work has been done already and there is little chance that it could be undone, even if a fresh government was elected within the US. There was a smirk on his face at that point.

Long before Bush was elected - and before 9/11 and the current "terrorist" crap, - the same guy, along with others, drafted Pax Americana papers and advocated exactly what is now happening. Tho of lesser relevance, Rice who was present at several stages and stood by and was photographed and making the statement that "US forces are trained to kill - and that's what they should be doing". (Na.. it's not a misquote).

Some call these folks "hawks" others call them the "enemy within". Time will tell.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by pr0

Seems to me that leaving Iraq in civil war would open the door for Iran & other countries to offer to "solve all the problems" in the middle east, by becoming a unified nation.

The middle east divided is weak, but if we were to ever unite, we would be our own super power"
.

never happpen don't worry . . . in over 8 thousand years hasn't happened and it ain't gonna happen now . . . arabs are dipshits and can't get along . .

[Damian_Maxcash]

You must be joking, Muslims cant 'unite' on anything.

The best way to win this war would be to airdrop in a few million AK47s and leave them to it - check back in 6 months and bury the bodies.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by damian2001

You must be joking, Muslims cant 'unite' on anything.

The best way to win this war would be to airdrop in a few million AK47s and leave them to it - check back in 6 months and bury the bodies.

I think they have more AK47's than they know what to do with.. lol maybe we should air drop some nuclear bombs instead..

[JohanTheGreat]

Originally Posted by damian2001

You must be joking, Muslims cant 'unite' on anything.

The best way to win this war would be to airdrop in a few million AK47s and leave them to it - check back in 6 months and bury the bodies.

They seem to do well in OPEC together.

[amalekite]

United Arab States...well, sort of.....

Before the breakup of the Ottoman empire...Islam was united under a Caliphate

The Caliphate was the Muslim equivalent of a Catholic Pope. He was a religious leader and provided a single voice to unite all of Islam.

In Islam, there is no such concept of "seperation of church and state." Therefore, a Caliphate is a political as well as religious leader.

Many muslim extremists, including Osama Bin Laden, believe that the Muslim Nation will be united under a single leader before the End Times. He believes that this must happen in order for the world to be united under Islam

Read transcripts of Osama Bin Laden's speeches...he always refers to the "Muslim Nation." In his mind, it is only a matter of time before a Caliphate arises to unite all of Islam.

Remember, the Muslim nations of Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia...etc...Their borders were mostly formed by Colonial Western Powers. Muslim extremists refer to them as Christian Crusader armies and do not recognize the borders created. To Muslim extremists...There are no borders and there are no countries. To Muslim extremists...There is just one single Muslim Nation.

Muslim extremists believe that the muslims "immigrating" to Europe, America, Canada, and Australia are part of the Muslim Nation. And that they are demographic soldiers...Agents sent to the west to force infidels to convert when their demographic numbers grow.

DO NOT laugh at notions of a United Arab States. BE VERY CAUTIOUS in your understanding of Islam.

The Iraq war has already served as a catalyst to unite Islam against the Christian West and Israel. In order for muslims to be united...they must have a common enemy. Christianity and Judaism has provided that common enemy.

Free trade also serves as a tool to unite people/nations under a common system of government. I believe the TRUE reasons for the Iraq war was to create a kind of Middle East Economic block... in an effort to join Middle Eastern countries under a united free market system similar to the EU.

In order to achieve this Middle East economic block... Peace must be struck between the Israelis and Palestinians to put an end to fighting. The recent elections of Olmert and Abbas will ensure a Palestinian state is created... The destruction of Saddam Hussein's regime assures Iraq can be included.. All that is left is IRan and Syria.

Syria's current leadership will most likely fall apart from within...similar to their withdrawal from Lebanon

Iran is the wild card

If a "peace deal" is struck that prevents Iran from building nukes in exchange for access to economic trade...then there may just be a United Muslim Nation and Caliphate within the next few years.

Many believe that Iran will give up it's nuclear ambitions in exchange for Israeli nuclear disarmament.

Pay attention to the news...you're living in historic times

[zeen]

very nice man

[pr0]

Originally Posted by amalekite

United Arab States...well, sort of.....

Before the breakup of the Ottoman empire...Islam was united under a Caliphate

The Caliphate was the Muslim equivalent of a Catholic Pope. He was a religious leader and provided a single voice to unite all of Islam.

In Islam, there is no such concept of "seperation of church and state." Therefore, a Caliphate is a political as well as religious leader.

Many muslim extremists, including Osama Bin Laden, believe that the Muslim Nation will be united under a single leader before the End Times. He believes that this must happen in order for the world to be united under Islam

Read transcripts of Osama Bin Laden's speeches...he always refers to the "Muslim Nation." In his mind, it is only a matter of time before a Caliphate arises to unite all of Islam.

Remember, the Muslim nations of Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia...etc...Their borders were mostly formed by Colonial Western Powers. Muslim extremists refer to them as Christian Crusader armies and do not recognize the borders created. To Muslim extremists...There are no borders and there are no countries. To Muslim extremists...There is just one single Muslim Nation.

Muslim extremists believe that the muslims "immigrating" to Europe, America, Canada, and Australia are part of the Muslim Nation. And that they are demographic soldiers...Agents sent to the west to force infidels to convert when their demographic numbers grow.

DO NOT laugh at notions of a United Arab States. BE VERY CAUTIOUS in your understanding of Islam.

The Iraq war has already served as a catalyst to unite Islam against the Christian West and Israel. In order for muslims to be united...they must have a common enemy. Christianity and Judaism has provided that common enemy.

Free trade also serves as a tool to unite people/nations under a common system of government. I believe the TRUE reasons for the Iraq war was to create a kind of Middle East Economic block... in an effort to join Middle Eastern countries under a united free market system similar to the EU.

In order to achieve this Middle East economic block... Peace must be struck between the Israelis and Palestinians to put an end to fighting. The recent elections of Olmert and Abbas will ensure a Palestinian state is created... The destruction of Saddam Hussein's regime assures Iraq can be included.. All that is left is IRan and Syria.

Syria's current leadership will most likely fall apart from within...similar to their withdrawal from Lebanon

Iran is the wild card

If a "peace deal" is struck that prevents Iran from building nukes in exchange for access to economic trade...then there may just be a United Muslim Nation and Caliphate within the next few years.

Many believe that Iran will give up it's nuclear ambitions in exchange for Israeli nuclear disarmament.

Pay attention to the news...you're living in historic times

someone clearly knows their history, & this post was borrowed from the same information

i'll def look for your posts in the future

[gooddomains]

please not

[Barefootsies]

Correctamundo. In reading the first replies, I was going to whip out some Ottoman Empire history. But it was wrapped up nicely in the single post.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by pr0

someone clearly knows their history, & this post was borrowed from the same information

i'll def look for your posts in the future

definetly a good informative post

[Odin]

Originally Posted by pr0

someone clearly knows their history, & this post was borrowed from the same information

i'll def look for your posts in the future

I already know his posts, and yours aswell, and it is quite obvious you are both Zionists who are interested in a 'Greater Israel' at any cost. So it's not suprising you're giving your racist 'brother' a thumbs up.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by amalekite

United Arab States...well, sort of.....

The Caliphate was the Muslim equivalent of a Catholic Pope. He was a religious leader and provided a single voice to unite all of Islam.

must be related to 'the prophet Muhammad' by blood relationships

[soukee]

About a week ago my GF finished a diploma work about integration in Arab world. What a pitty that the text isn't in English...

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by crockett

Shit those fuckers all hate each other over there.. Half of them can't live with each other in their own damn countries and you think they would do better all uniting.

Would never happen in a million years..

I'm not sure if you see it the way the rest of us non-Americans do, so I'm going to just throw it out there.

With all the gun violence in the US, how do you think people on the outside view Americans?

[lyn1]

A united arab republic looks good on paper but it is just a ridiculous notion that this amalgum of fucking idiots could ever agree on anything that related to commonsense. They would have to work-out what common hand to eat with and what hand to wipe their ass with. Some want to beat their woman to death with sticks for thinking of sex and others want to stone their woman to death. Some want to cut out the clitoris of pre-pubescent children early, whilst some want to wait until they get their periods. Some countries promise suicide bombers 20 virgins whilst others promise 10.

Get the gist. This would never happen whilst they are called Arabs. C'mon George Bush - show us some strong leadership here and give us onlookers some action and nuke the shit out of them. The world is doomed before long if these fleas keep breeding anyway.

Lyn from Oz

[Paul Markham]

What you have to take into consideration when thinking of a United Arab States is the following.

A lot of the countries you talk about are not Arab.

However they are Muslim and Islam is a younger religion than Christianity and the countries where it's most prevalent are mainly very backward countries. Yes I know they had a civilisation 2,000 years ago, but since then what?

So compare "Islam" of the 21st century and Christianity of the 16th century, even though I would say Eur pope was more advanced in those days.

We had the Spanish Inquisition and in England we had Guy Fawkes with Catholics trying to blow up a Protestant king. Who followed Mary of England was exacting Protestants.

And I could go on. so was Europe ready to be united 500 years ago? Well the same chance of the Nation of Islam uniting. Maybe a few people would like you to think there's a chance to promote their own cause. But it will not happen for a very long time and before then the oil will run out, the few with money will leave the desert behind and those left will go back to herding camels.

The only thing that unites them is their hate for Israel and an invading "Christian" army. Remove them and the terrorists lose the only thing keeping them together.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

I'm not sure if you see it the way the rest of us non-Americans do, so I'm going to just throw it out there.

With all the gun violence in the US, how do you think people on the outside view Americans?

Just because it maybe what you see on the news everyday doesn't mean it's like that everywhere.

I'm 33 and I've never seen or known anyone that has ever been shot or killed by a act of violence. The closest thing to violent act I've seen in all my years living here in the USofA was a Mexican guy that got stabbed by another Mexican guy. Both were illegals which is a big part of the problem.

I don't know the stats or anything like that, but I'd guess the largest amount of gun violence in the US is from gangs. The problem with that IMO, is the cops haven't taken them serious enough.. That or they just lack the ability to take them on.

However just because there are high amounts of gun crimes, doesn't mean everyone in the US walks around with a six shooter and a cowboy hat.

But anyway.. what's gun violence in the US have to do with the Arabs uniting?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by amalekite

United Arab States...well, sort of.....

Before the breakup of the Ottoman empire...Islam was united under a Caliphate

The Caliphate was the Muslim equivalent of a Catholic Pope. He was a religious leader and provided a single voice to unite all of Islam.

In Islam, there is no such concept of "seperation of church and state." Therefore, a Caliphate is a political as well as religious leader.

Many muslim extremists, including Osama Bin Laden, believe that the Muslim Nation will be united under a single leader before the End Times. He believes that this must happen in order for the world to be united under Islam

Read transcripts of Osama Bin Laden's speeches...he always refers to the "Muslim Nation." In his mind, it is only a matter of time before a Caliphate arises to unite all of Islam.

Remember, the Muslim nations of Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia...etc...Their borders were mostly formed by Colonial Western Powers. Muslim extremists refer to them as Christian Crusader armies and do not recognize the borders created. To Muslim extremists...There are no borders and there are no countries. To Muslim extremists...There is just one single Muslim Nation.

Muslim extremists believe that the muslims "immigrating" to Europe, America, Canada, and Australia are part of the Muslim Nation. And that they are demographic soldiers...Agents sent to the west to force infidels to convert when their demographic numbers grow.

DO NOT laugh at notions of a United Arab States. BE VERY CAUTIOUS in your understanding of Islam.

The Iraq war has already served as a catalyst to unite Islam against the Christian West and Israel. In order for muslims to be united...they must have a common enemy. Christianity and Judaism has provided that common enemy.

Free trade also serves as a tool to unite people/nations under a common system of government. I believe the TRUE reasons for the Iraq war was to create a kind of Middle East Economic block... in an effort to join Middle Eastern countries under a united free market system similar to the EU.

In order to achieve this Middle East economic block... Peace must be struck between the Israelis and Palestinians to put an end to fighting. The recent elections of Olmert and Abbas will ensure a Palestinian state is created... The destruction of Saddam Hussein's regime assures Iraq can be included.. All that is left is IRan and Syria.

Syria's current leadership will most likely fall apart from within...similar to their withdrawal from Lebanon

Iran is the wild card

If a "peace deal" is struck that prevents Iran from building nukes in exchange for access to economic trade...then there may just be a United Muslim Nation and Caliphate within the next few years.

Many believe that Iran will give up it's nuclear ambitions in exchange for Israeli nuclear disarmament.

Pay attention to the news...you're living in historic times

It's a good post, but I still couldn't see it happening. The only way something like that would happen is if the extremist forced it to happen, which they are trying, but I don't think they will be successful.

The other issue with a United Arab States is, they have no real industry. The middle east at this point in time only holds a value to the rest of the world because of it's oil.

In 20 -30 years when other fuel alternatives are widely available, the middle east's oil export and main source of income will slowly start to dry up. So then what will they do?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's a good post, but I still couldn't see it happening. The only way something like that would happen is if the extremist forced it to happen, which they are trying, but I don't think they will be successful.

The other issue with a United Arab States is, they have no real industry. The middle east at this point in time only holds a value to the rest of the world because of it's oil.

In 20 -30 years when other fuel alternatives are widely available, the middle east's oil export and main source of income will slowly start to dry up. So then what will they do?

The "Extremists" are killing more Muslims than Christians and Jews combined.

The talk is they are doing it to force civil war in Iraq, which is unlikely to happen with the Americans there. Who will not leave while the country is tearing itself apart. Which is the excuse for the Americans to stay if it was all peace and tranquillity?

Maybe the extremist know this and are playing to it. The easy route for them to get rid of the Americans is to do nothing and be quiet. Then the Americans have to leave or stay for the oil. With the Americans gone the extremists come back to fight, Iran invades and the extremist are finished.

But while the Muslims divide and kill themselves on on who knows God best and stupid points of religion, much like Europeans 500 years ago. A United Arab States isn't even a dream. Its' a fantasy.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Chief

I already know his posts, and yours aswell, and it is quite obvious you are both Zionists who are interested in a 'Greater Israel' at any cost. So it's not suprising you're giving your racist 'brother' a thumbs up.

I just found it refreshing he backed up his post with factual information. While people like you drop in & call people racists simply for bringing up issues in the middle east.

This isn't the first time i've been called one, but it is the first time i've been called one for absolutely no reason.

Find the sentence in this post that makes me a racist. I implore you.

It's so easy to pull out the race card & so hard to come up with an original idea. I know its tough, but next time you post....try not making yourself look like an idiot.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by pr0

Perhaps thats why we're in Iraq....not just the oil. But trying to continue the chaos, so that there is no possibility of unity.

Thats a very interesting theory, I had never thought of that

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by amalekite

United Arab States...well, sort of.....

Before the breakup of the Ottoman empire...Islam was united under a Caliphate

The Caliphate was the Muslim equivalent of a Catholic Pope. He was a religious leader and provided a single voice to unite all of Islam.

And I guess he rules the same way as the Pope, with love and kindness and the only army he had were equippend with spikes and wore baggy trousers.

Whoops, back to reality. Read here about how effective Muslim Empires were.

They were dominated by an iron hand and fell apart from within.

[thaifan99]

never in a million years..........they hate each other more than we supposedly hate them.

[Lance69]

Cut them off of North American and European Money for Oil. There is enough in North America to do us for 100 years! Fuck them. Once that money stops coming what've they got? Tourism?
Then they can unite under the same banner of poverty and they can focus on the real problems, and not the "Infidels" that make them richer than they deserve to be.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The "Extremists" are killing more Muslims than Christians and Jews combined.

The talk is they are doing it to force civil war in Iraq, which is unlikely to happen with the Americans there. Who will not leave while the country is tearing itself apart. Which is the excuse for the Americans to stay if it was all peace and tranquillity?

Maybe the extremist know this and are playing to it. The easy route for them to get rid of the Americans is to do nothing and be quiet. Then the Americans have to leave or stay for the oil. With the Americans gone the extremists come back to fight, Iran invades and the extremist are finished.

But while the Muslims divide and kill themselves on on who knows God best and stupid points of religion, much like Europeans 500 years ago. A United Arab States isn't even a dream. Its' a fantasy.

The UN nor the US would stand by and allow Iran to invade. Even if we pulled out as if we felt the job was finished, we would go back in Iran tried to invade.

The other issue as I mentioned above is eventually the need for oil will play it's self out. It might be 20 years it might be 50 years or even 100, however it's a sure thing that the oil will run out and the middle east will eventually become a un-needed burden for the west.

Once that happens, if these countries have still not joined the civilized world, they will end up being push to the side the same way Africa or south America has. The only reason the middle east has any sort of world status is because of the oil. Once that's gone, they will be like a used up whore and get kicked to the curb.

[JohanTheGreat]

Zionism is a disease, just like aids&HIV.

I dont like religion at all, but jesus fucking christ, there is nothing on this earth that i hate so much as Israel. That country should be bombed like never before.

There are more terrorist in Israel then there is in the whole arab-world.

[Well Dunn]

If iraq cant unite because the different groups cant get along, why on earth would the entire middle east be able to pull it off.

[elitetec]

I think they are allready united