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Old 04-14-2006, 07:03 AM   #1
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Awesome Video! China's Brutality To It's Citizens

http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/vid...p10436,00.html

Now this is some evil for ya.

An expose on how the Chinese government rips off people's homes to build commercial properties. Dragging old folks from their sick beds and cops beating up evicted residents and manhandling reporters.

We now have 'eminent domain' in the news here in the U.S. Difference is WE have lots of guns. If some shit like this happening in China happens here, it'll be a bloodbath.
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:04 AM   #2
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i heard they killed people who wouldnt move to make way for the three gorges dam
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:14 AM   #3
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wow awesome reporting... I didn't know that was going on...
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:21 AM   #4
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whats so suprising? chinas human rights abuses have been well documented.
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:21 AM   #5
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:27 AM   #6
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well said "human rights are more important than living"
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:52 AM   #8
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Just think this was just a smattering of what goes on. It' s a sinister government. And that's the government that owns the majority of American debt. We're whores to a madman and it's a fucking shame.
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that is scary and sad , poor chinese people
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:04 AM   #10
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that's just sick , crazy goverment of china
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:10 AM   #11
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http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/vid...p10436,00.html

Now this is some evil for ya.

An expose on how the Chinese government rips off people's homes to build commercial properties. Dragging old folks from their sick beds and cops beating up evicted residents and manhandling reporters.

We now have 'eminent domain' in the news here in the U.S. Difference is WE have lots of guns. If some shit like this happening in China happens here, it'll be a bloodbath.

It is already happening here in the US, and there has been and will not be a bloodbath. The people that have the guns and are willing to use them in a sitaution like this are not the people that own something that anyone would want to take.
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old news... they've been doing that for a couple of years now...
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:24 AM   #14
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So are you going to boycott goods made in China?
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http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/vid...p10436,00.html

Now this is some evil for ya.

An expose on how the Chinese government rips off people's homes to build commercial properties. Dragging old folks from their sick beds and cops beating up evicted residents and manhandling reporters.

We now have 'eminent domain' in the news here in the U.S. Difference is WE have lots of guns. If some shit like this happening in China happens here, it'll be a bloodbath.

Jesus. That is heart breaking.

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Just think this was just a smattering of what goes on. It' s a sinister government. And that's the government that owns the majority of American debt. We're whores to a madman and it's a fucking shame.

Very well put.

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Theres alot of worse governments than chinas.
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:22 PM   #18
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did you guys really understand what happen in that one city?
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you guys just believe whatever you think it is
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did you guys really understand what happen in that one city?
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you guys just believe whatever you think it is
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So are you going to boycott goods made in China?
China is slave labor for American companies. That's the shame. Most of the toys we buy and garments are made in China.

The American people due to their greed will not boycott China so China knows they're safe. They're drinking our blood because we allow them to. They own our debts, provide cheap slave labor, steal our shit like there's no tomorrow and we allow it.

We are our own worst enemy.
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Sky News is part of Newcorp which is the a right wing, agenda driven Rupert Murdoch company ... the same as your beloved Fox News.
Anybody who takes this as genuine news without a hidden agenda (usually for the US goverment) needs to go and start reading a newspaper.
Here's a list of newspapers NOT to start with.
(do google search on "Who owns Newscorp")

The US and the UK need to get their own human rights in order before they start criticising other countries. Just look at the mis-reporting of the Katrina disaster and the poverty and needless deaths caused by the Bush administration doing nothing, there's no difference here.

The whole title is misleading and created to envole a patriotic and self-surviving emotion on you:
The Secret Behind China's Economy" as they know that people are worried about their own economy. The title should have been "Terrible Human Rights in China" but then none of you "bleeding hearts" would have go as upset, as it didn't involve you, you would have switched off and not even bothered posting it here.

As long as their are sheep buying their $70 TV's at Walmart along with their bumper bag of chemical infused cookies for $2 and switching onto Goverment sponsored TV channels, then China will continue to grow and you will continue to vote into power somebody who profits from that growth.
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Sky News is part of Newcorp which is the a right wing, agenda driven Rupert Murdoch company ... the same as your beloved Fox News.
Anybody who takes this as genuine news without a hidden agenda (usually for the US goverment) needs to go and start reading a newspaper.
Here's a list of newspapers NOT to start with.
(do google search on "Who owns Newscorp")

The US and the UK need to get their own human rights in order before they start criticising other countries. Just look at the mis-reporting of the Katrina disaster and the poverty and needless deaths caused by the Bush administration doing nothing, there's no difference here.

The whole title is misleading and created to envole a patriotic and self-surviving emotion on you:
The Secret Behind China's Economy" as they know that people are worried about their own economy. The title should have been "Terrible Human Rights in China" but then none of you "bleeding hearts" would have go as upset, as it didn't involve you, you would have switched off and not even bothered posting it here.

As long as their are sheep buying their $70 TV's at Walmart along with their bumper bag of chemical infused cookies for $2 and switching onto Goverment sponsored TV channels, then China will continue to grow and you will continue to vote into power somebody who profits from that growth.
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Seanchai, there's alot to back up what you just said.

What's scary about China is the position they're in. They own a ton of American debt. Credit card debt, mortgages etc.
http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=75

Not only that but they provide cheap slave labor.
http://www.automation.com/sitepages/pid1779.php

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/200712.shtml

I sat down and checked all the collectible toys I have and gadzooks! They were made in China. Remember a few years ago when Michael Eisner was addressing the investors at Disney and a lady asked what he was going to do regarding human rights violations in China that were manufacturing Disney goods? He said there was nothing he could do about it.

Remember, George Bush Sr. was at one time Chief of the U. S. Liaison Office in the People's Republic of China.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/gb41.html
http://www.atimes.com/koreas/DB16Dg02.html
Clinton sold the Chinese missile technology. It goes on and on, yet with these human rights violations in full view. China's spies have done much damage and their internet hacking abilities are growing by leaps and bounds. http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...770833334.html
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....The US and the UK need to get their own human rights in order before they start criticising other countries.....
This isnt the US or the UK attacking China about its policies - its individuals in the US or the UK.

We know we have to get our houses in order - but it is a world wide probelm and as individuals we have the right to comment on China's horific human rights record.
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I agree completely Greg but the UAE owns more of US debt and you rarely hear any complaints in the media about that (and check out those human rights records!), India has cheaper labour than China and more is starting to get outsourced there but again, that complaint is rarely heard (apart from the call centre problem - personally, I'd rather speak to someone in India, they're politer and usually better trained).
I really feel that the US needs an enemy - not to really fight but to have the illusion to fight and to get the people rallyed to support the increasing budget into weaponry. The politicians love it - watch how many say that China is a concern of theirs yet nothing gets done about it. The media of course is behind that (because they love a big bad wolf) and the Chinese frankly, don't give a shit because America is still buying.

It comes down to the grassroots. People need to realise that owning a 2 bedroom house with a white picket fence, two tv's in every room, two cars, microwaves, huge fridges, etc are a luxury and to start turning down the cheap Chinese imports - but you know they won't.

On a similar note, I was in Cambodia a few years ago in a very poor part outside Phnom Penh and we were looking at the squalor of the living conditions, we then realised every house had a TV aerial. Of course, if everyone is watching TV and the government is somewhat controling it then it's the best way to make sure they're thinking what they want them to think - and I don't see much difference between that and the working/lower classes who switch onto Fox TV daily.
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This isnt the US or the UK attacking China about its policies - its individuals in the US or the UK.

We know we have to get our houses in order - but it is a world wide probelm and as individuals we have the right to comment on China's horific human rights record.
The article it's based on is the US/UK attacking China.
Do you get onto Blair and Bush's horrific human rights records of the last couple of years? Why don't we fix our own problems and set an example to the rest of the world. I thought the Geneva convention was a great way to stop some war atrocities yet this cornerstone of human rights, does not apply to the USA?

We as individuals need to get our houses in order - and that's the countries whose ever increasing taxes we keep paying.
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The article it's based on is the US/UK attacking China.
Do you get onto Blair and Bush's horrific human rights records of the last couple of years? Why don't we fix our own problems and set an example to the rest of the world. I thought the Geneva convention was a great way to stop some war atrocities yet this cornerstone of human rights, does not apply to the USA?

We as individuals need to get our houses in order - and that's the countries whose ever increasing taxes we keep paying.
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The US isn't perfect.

But we don't need to be perfect to show empathy for the wholesale brutalization of the Chinese people by the Chinese government.

Katrina was an accident. Illegally razing people's houses for high rises isn't. I would add that most of the victims of Katrina failed to evacuate, and therefore, those persons bear some personal responsibility for their predicament.
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....Why don't we fix our own problems and set an example to the rest of the world......
The countries we are talking about dont see us as an example of how things sxhould be done.

As I said - we do need to get our houses in order - but that dosnt mean that China et al will folow suit. They need to be addressed as well....
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The US isn't perfect.

But we don't need to be perfect to show empathy for the wholesale brutalization of the Chinese people by the Chinese government.

Katrina was an accident. Illegally razing people's houses for high rises isn't. I would add that most of the victims of Katrina failed to evacuate, and therefore, those persons bear some personal responsibility for their predicament.
Thank you for putting it better than me
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I don't believe I suggested showing empathy, we definately need China's human rights to be an issue but let's not make this issue an excuse for something else (that's how we got into a war). Fact is there are plenty of countries with worse human rights records, yet the focus goes to China because they know people care about it, not for the bad human rights but for the trade interests and the fear the media is kicking up.
We cannot attack another countries policies when our own are as bad. The negligence of sitting back and doing nothing while Katrina destroyed people's lives may not be as bad as this but coupled with our other current human rights issues, it's not pretty and we need to be much better.
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......We cannot attack another countries policies when our own are as bad.......
Thats your mistake - yes we can because we are individuals not the sum of our respective countries.
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Thats your mistake - yes we can because we are individuals not the sum of our respective countries.
Unfortunately, that's your mistake. As long as we're paying our taxes and allowing these corporate goverments to get into power, we are exactly that, we're the sum of our countries, as much as you and I dislike it.
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Why is this appalling? The police are just doing their jobs, give them a freaking break. They put their lives on the line every day to protect the people of China. [/rhetoric]
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